Printer Bandit
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Ichinisan
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Start with Breaking Bad. GoT is great, but the most recent season (5) was really weak. BB was strong all the way to the end, with only a single weak episode.
Printer Bandit
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blankslate
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Breaking Bad did have the strongest show finale in recent memory and if someone came to me and asked which should I watch first GoT or BB... I'd have to say BB. GoT is great but BB is done and we know that its finale is great.
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Ichinisan
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That was the weak episode. Clearly made because they used up their budget for the season and had to make their episode quota. Most series(es?) have many such episodes. This seems to be the only one in BB (or the others were so good, you can't tell).
Ichinisan
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That episode is waaaaay off base with their implication that the show producers are obsessed with penises. You rarely see them. Apparently the South Park guys (Matt/Trey) are uncomfortable with the fact that there are any penises at all.
...which is strange.
Grooveriding
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Not a fan, but I love that genre. Some of my favourite fantasy books are the Dragonlance series and the Icewind Dale series.
People get salty when you say anything negative about the show though. GoT is like a medieval soap opera, it needs 50% less bullshit drama and it would be a real improvement. The Wire and BB take a massive dump on the show in terms of sheer quality.
/exits
People get salty when you say anything negative about the show though. GoT is like a medieval soap opera, it needs 50% less bullshit drama and it would be a real improvement. The Wire and BB take a massive dump on the show in terms of sheer quality.
/exits
DigDog
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i should have expressed myself differently; not only i have never watched the aforementioned shows, i have no interest in doing so. the fact that they are popular puts me off watching them, because both i am led to believe they are bad because of this(if the average person loves it, it can't be good), and second simply because i got an adversion to popular media of every kind.
Ichinisan
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That's how I feel about The Walking Dead, but you're doing yourself a disservice by dismissing Breaking Bad.
MongGrel
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So, basically you're saying you've never watched anything that people consider worth watching and trying to validate yourself about having an opinion about anything ?
I would think your standards would be pretty low on assessing anything accurately at that rate, and not really worth listening to.
If you have never watched any of those in the past you really have nothing to base a judgement off of and are a bit clueless I'd say.
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MongGrel
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Clue us in and tell us what kind of exceptional things you watch in your spare time would you ?
Honey Boo Boo reruns?
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I watched the first five to six episodes of season one and found it boring. I have not been back to watch it nor care to. If it doesn't hook me instantly, it will sit on the back burner of maybe never watching.
GoT has joined Breaking Bad (watched the first three episodes and haven't gone back) and The Walking Dead (first three for this as well I think) as shows that just didn't get me interested instantly which is usually a deal breaker for me.
DigDog
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@ Mongrel (and more)
i did enjoy House MD although i waited until 2010 to start watching it. also only liked the first 6 seasons.
i also managed to go through two seasons of the sopranos, but found it inconclusive in the end.
i watch regularly the daily show, last week, colbert report (gone now), bill maher, plus simpsons/bobs burgers/ seth mcfarlane stuff.
also QI, top gear, i dont mind anger management and the new run of 2 1/2 men, and when i'm in the mood for a laugh, i watch Law&Order. i liked Harry's Law, and Garrow's Law (first season), first season of Suits was nice ..
somehow i have a feeling this is going to boil down to "matter of taste/opinion", but i prefer shows which are about reality rather than fantasy, unless they are short,comedy shows.
i've also gone through most of the criterion catalogue .. but i can't stomach the walking dead. it's just that, as a euro, i can't relate to the touchy-feely of american shows. oh, your 12yo daughter just turned into a zombie, and you had to shoot her in the brainz? well, good, now let's carry on, what's for lunch?
i did enjoy House MD although i waited until 2010 to start watching it. also only liked the first 6 seasons.
i also managed to go through two seasons of the sopranos, but found it inconclusive in the end.
i watch regularly the daily show, last week, colbert report (gone now), bill maher, plus simpsons/bobs burgers/ seth mcfarlane stuff.
also QI, top gear, i dont mind anger management and the new run of 2 1/2 men, and when i'm in the mood for a laugh, i watch Law&Order. i liked Harry's Law, and Garrow's Law (first season), first season of Suits was nice ..
somehow i have a feeling this is going to boil down to "matter of taste/opinion", but i prefer shows which are about reality rather than fantasy, unless they are short,comedy shows.
i've also gone through most of the criterion catalogue .. but i can't stomach the walking dead. it's just that, as a euro, i can't relate to the touchy-feely of american shows. oh, your 12yo daughter just turned into a zombie, and you had to shoot her in the brainz? well, good, now let's carry on, what's for lunch?
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most longish serials reach a point where you can begin to easily identify the story arcs that are created for each season by the story-writers and you get the impression that their ideas are dying out, that it's more of the same.
I've clearly seen this in Dexter (one enemy or "friend" per season), sons of anarchy (new war with a new gang every season), the walking dead (change environment and the "we are who we are" cringe-worthy platitude and appeal to courage for the 100x time), etc.
In each season there are of course over-arching incremental changes, but there are no revolutions. These get strung out and I'm forced to watch them until they end just because I've already begun seeing them.
Breaking Bad was pretty good because they killed it off earlier than most serials. One more season would have been too much already. It is one of the best serials out there, but it still followed the usual cookie-cutter serial model, so if you don't like that model you may not like this one either, but for me the issue is mostly one of patience so this one was quite good.
The Wire was the greatest serial ever because it was basically a whole new thing in each season except for things and characters here and there which stitched it all together, making the series end with the impression of having a complete vision of an intertwined system and depicting the cyclic renewal of urban crime and social issues. This the only series that I've seen that was structured this way, it's NOT a normal serial.
And finally we come to why Game of Thrones is so great:
1. There isn't a base situation upon which story arcs are imposed like in the usual cookie-cutter series.
It's like one huge movie. The fact that it comes out of books is clearly a reason for why this happened. You don't follow one character, like the drug maker in breaking bad, or whatever. It's lots of stories that form one long story, this is possible because there are multiple books behind it.
So there is no repetition.
2. they spend time in developing characters, and then they die like it's nothing.
You can't say in advance what will happen. It's not like a normal serial where you know this arc will end at the end of the season and everything will be more or less back to like it was before, or maybe with an incremental change (one guy in the gang dies or whatever). So it's more gripping.
3. It's a serial, but it feels like a high-budget CGI-loaded fantasy movie à la Lord of the Rings. This makes it a big attractor too.
GoT is more akin to a superlong mini-series (8 episodes series that cover a book that is too long for a single movie, but are just as good) rather than a serial.
You HAVE to watch the wire, but you don't have to watch game of thrones if you don't like fantasy. If you liked LoTR you at least have to try it out though, LoTR movies are at the top but GoT is the next best thing in fantasy that I know of (I don't like Harry Potter much).
I've clearly seen this in Dexter (one enemy or "friend" per season), sons of anarchy (new war with a new gang every season), the walking dead (change environment and the "we are who we are" cringe-worthy platitude and appeal to courage for the 100x time), etc.
In each season there are of course over-arching incremental changes, but there are no revolutions. These get strung out and I'm forced to watch them until they end just because I've already begun seeing them.
Breaking Bad was pretty good because they killed it off earlier than most serials. One more season would have been too much already. It is one of the best serials out there, but it still followed the usual cookie-cutter serial model, so if you don't like that model you may not like this one either, but for me the issue is mostly one of patience so this one was quite good.
The Wire was the greatest serial ever because it was basically a whole new thing in each season except for things and characters here and there which stitched it all together, making the series end with the impression of having a complete vision of an intertwined system and depicting the cyclic renewal of urban crime and social issues. This the only series that I've seen that was structured this way, it's NOT a normal serial.
And finally we come to why Game of Thrones is so great:
1. There isn't a base situation upon which story arcs are imposed like in the usual cookie-cutter series.
It's like one huge movie. The fact that it comes out of books is clearly a reason for why this happened. You don't follow one character, like the drug maker in breaking bad, or whatever. It's lots of stories that form one long story, this is possible because there are multiple books behind it.
So there is no repetition.
2. they spend time in developing characters, and then they die like it's nothing.
You can't say in advance what will happen. It's not like a normal serial where you know this arc will end at the end of the season and everything will be more or less back to like it was before, or maybe with an incremental change (one guy in the gang dies or whatever). So it's more gripping.
3. It's a serial, but it feels like a high-budget CGI-loaded fantasy movie à la Lord of the Rings. This makes it a big attractor too.
GoT is more akin to a superlong mini-series (8 episodes series that cover a book that is too long for a single movie, but are just as good) rather than a serial.
You HAVE to watch the wire, but you don't have to watch game of thrones if you don't like fantasy. If you liked LoTR you at least have to try it out though, LoTR movies are at the top but GoT is the next best thing in fantasy that I know of (I don't like Harry Potter much).
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Blackjack200
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Raduque
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Same here. Found it immensely boring and forgettable.
Does Lena Headey ever show her tits? I might watch for that.
Nope. She had a nude scene last ep of this season but it was a body double. A very, very good one at that.
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Ichinisan
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Not that I can recall. I would know because I've been anxiously awaiting one, lol.
I figure if she hasn't done one by the end of the first season (where there were many opportunities for her to as they were introducing/developing her relationship with Jamie), she's not the type that does nudes.
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