IHateMyJob2004
Lifer
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In short.
1) The ipod is to damn expensive. Save $100 and buy a cheap CD/MP3 player and burn your MP3s to CD for pennies.
2) From what I'v eread, the low end sucks.
1) The ipod is to damn expensive. Save $100 and buy a cheap CD/MP3 player and burn your MP3s to CD for pennies.
2) From what I'v eread, the low end sucks.
I beg to differ, I made good points about the ipod, commenting on its documented low sound quality, its high price, its lack of features, and its low build quality. Lacking an argument and the maturity to admit I was right, you countered by calling me a "mega nerd audiophile", insulting my dog, asserting that all good headphones cost 500 GBP & that headphone amplifiers require car batteries, and claiming that the price of an ipod also buys you itunes - which, incidentally, is free software. Typical argument and maturity level from a typical ipod proponent.
Nice. This is going to be really difficult since you can't tell what is a very a obvious joke and what is serious, even when I actually tell you. Maybe I'll make a little sign when I tell a joke in order to clear things up for you, but I don't hold too much confidence
(<--JOKE HERE)Perhaps it's a desperate measure; a transparent ploy to ditract from my valid points that negate yours by claiming my jokes are actually my genuine opinion.
Originally posted by: loic2003
Nice. This is going to be really difficult since you can't tell what is a very a obvious joke and what is serious, even when I actually tell you. Maybe I'll make a little sign when I tell a joke in order to clear things up for you, but I don't hold too much confidence
Perhaps it's a desperate measure; a transparent ploy to ditract from my valid points that negate yours by claiming my jokes are actually my genuine opinion.
More of your "can't lose" debate tactics? I saw this in the other thread when you claimed knowledge about sound quality, then called anyone who cared about sound quality a "mega nerd audiophile" when I called your bluff.
Hrm, maybe I should adopt this tactic? You're an a-hole, likely no older than 12, and you swallowed Apple's marketing like a boy at the Neverland Ranch! Haha, I was just kidding, don't you know a joke when you read one?
Originally posted by: Gurck
Hrm, maybe I should adopt this tactic? You're an a-hole, likely no older than 12, and you swallowed Apple's marketing like a boy at the Neverland Ranch! Haha, I was just kidding, don't you know a joke when you read one?
Well at least I managed to get a joke out of you which is a refreshing change!
About the mega nerd audiophile thing; that actually originated in the debate prior to the previous one (how much time have we spent arguing this topic?). I didn't call you a mega nerd audiophile, I said I wasn't. You simple inferred that it was somehow aimed at you, and you infact called yourself the above term, which isn't such a bad title anyhow. I think it's quite endearing, don't you? This is a tech forum afterall and there's few people here who can claim they don't have nerdy qualities...
here's the original 'discussion' with the origination of MNA: Linkeriser
then a second one: Here
**warning, spare a couple of hours to read the above**
ultimatebob
Lifer
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About FOUR pages ago, I asked if anyone could recommend an MP3 player that was better than the 60 GB iPod Photo. I'm still waiting....
Nice try, but it was just a cheap insult when you were called on knowing nothing about sound quality after claiming you did. I can't believe you're continuing this, have you no shame? I'd hide with my tail between my legs if I embarassed myself as badly as you have. Apparently internet anonymity is as strong a force as people claim :roll:
Babbles
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- Jan 4, 2001
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I like the looks of the Zen, therefore looks are subjective.
Flash based players are smaller than iPods, so there goes that point.
There are other players that hold "tons of mp3s and data" just like the iPod, so that statement is irrelevent.
There is no way in hell any reasonable and logical person would see the iPod as affordable, that is just pure B.S. on your part.
I don't see why people are so fanatic about iPods. You can get more for less money yet people will come out of the woodwork to defend their precious iPod.
I think it looks ugly, but looks are subjective so I won't comment further on it. Suffice to say that many childrens' toys are also white, plastic, and have gaudy lights (as is Michael Jackson, but that's for another thread
), and the general ipod fanbase does seem to be quite young.Other players hold tons of music and data too, and the ipod is the most expensive player out there - so saying its affordable is shooting yourself in the foot, as far as the debate goes.
When my friend told me he was getting an iPod for Christmas I laughed and said I would never have one. I am not an Apple fan at all, but my parents got me an iPod mini for Christmas, and that shut me up rather quick. I bought the FM transmitter(not an Apple one though cause they are too expensive) and I couldn't be happier. But then again I drive about 45 minutes eachway to school everyday. In that aspect I think it is worth every penny paid for it. Definately better than the radio, and I don't have to swerve all over the road changing cds. I can't say that I would pay for one myself though.....
Babbles
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iRiver H340
iRiver has ~260k colors, iPod only has ~65k.
iRiver has a FM tuner, iPod does not.
iRiver is cheaper than the iPod.
iRiver plays video, iPod does not.
iRiver has a drag and drop file manager, iPod does not.
Go away fanboy.
ultimatebob
Lifer
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Ummm... I'm not impressed.
The iRiver has a smaller hard drive, is thicker and heavier, and only works with USB 2.0. It also looks uglier (in my opinion). The voice recorder option is kinda cool, though.
Anyway, that thing kinda reminds me of my old Radio Shack portable TV. It was oddly shaped and too bulky to carry around in my pocket, which kinda defeats the purpose of "portable".
Babbles
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Haha, whatever. You fanboys crack me up. You will make up any anything you can possibly veil under some sort of an illusion of superiority.
"Item X has more functions and is cheaper than Y"
"WTF Item Y ownz joo, die die die"
Seriously, dude, take a step back and maybe you will realize how mentally shallow you appear.
If size is important, check out the iaudio m3. The 20gb flavor is smaller than the ipod, and the 40gb is the same size. There's a version of the 20gb one with 35 hour battery life which is the same size as the ipod, though it's not as good a value since afaik it's available only on iaudio's website at MSRP, so no street-price savings (but then, apple offers no street price savings either so they're on equal footing there). It has better sound quality and all the features you could want of a portable. IMO it looks better than the ipod, as do all other players, but then tastes vary in this area, with the sub-15 crowd generally loving the ipod's gaudy white plastic and garish lights, and the post-puberty crowd enjoying something more elegant looking and refined.
There's no reason to have a photo player, as the screens are too tiny to properly see the picture and suck up too much battery life. It's a ricey feature. That goes for both the iriver and ipod - although at least iriver's photo player doesn't cost a pair of car payments.
You acted like there wasnt one, because you said: "If I want to be able to play farcry or run MS Office how I KNOW IT then I should be able to."
You said you should be able to run MS Office, although you can on a Mac.
Your arguments are not valid because they are opinionated and over exaggerated. How are those considered valid? You havent proved anything, but shown your hatred towards Macs by saying they are slower than Pentium ll's and they dont have start menus.
Who needs MS Access when you have FileMaker Pro which is FAR more advanced than Access.
Who said I hated PC's? I own 2 PC's, and I use them. I never showed my hatred towards PC's. If I have, qoute me on this. Otherwise, stop putting words in my mouth.
Goosemaster: You should be telling Philippine Mango to learn how to argue. You should read his posts and ask yourself if any of what he said was valid. All he argues is "Macs dont have start menu's" and "Macs are slower than P ll's."
I am just showing how stupid his posts are, thats all.
ultimatebob
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Funny, I thought that I brought up some valid flaws in the product that you thought was so clearly superior to the iPod. I'm certainly not a "fanboy" of anything, and I don't even OWN an iPod yet. I'm in the market for an MP3 player, though, and the one that you suggested seems too damn big to comfortably fit in my pocket. All of the USB ports on my computer are full, too, so I was hoping to get something that worked with Firewire.
But, hey, I'm sorry if all of my common sense observations somehow made me look "mentally shallow"
Cerb
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Why FW?Originally posted by: ultimatebob
Funny, I thought that I brought up some valid flaws in the product that you thought was so clearly superior to the iPod. I'm certainly not a "fanboy" of anything, and I don't even OWN an iPod yet. I'm in the market for an MP3 player, though, and the one that you suggested seems too damn big to comfortably fit in my pocket. All of the USB ports on my computer are full, too, so I was hoping to get something that worked with Firewire.
But, hey, I'm sorry if all of my common sense observations somehow made me look "mentally shallow"
USB 2 card: <$20.
or
Powered USB 2 hub: <$20.
MP3 player: $200-$400.
ultimatebob
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You're right, the photo option does seem like a bit of a gimmick. I see a few advantages, though...
1) The higher res color screen seems to be easier to read. It did when I compared the iPod Photo to the regular iPod at the store, anyway.
2) Seeing album cover art for the song that you're playing is kinda cool, but it's probably not all that useful.
3) The thing that I really liked was that the iPod photo has an AV out jack for displaying images on a TV. The iRiver doesn't seem to have that option, or at least from that I could tell from the web site. Combined with the big hard drive in that thing, I was thinking that this might be a good way to store and display my digital photo collection without lugging a laptop around.
ultimatebob
Lifer
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Originally posted by: Cerb
Why FW?Originally posted by: ultimatebob
Funny, I thought that I brought up some valid flaws in the product that you thought was so clearly superior to the iPod. I'm certainly not a "fanboy" of anything, and I don't even OWN an iPod yet. I'm in the market for an MP3 player, though, and the one that you suggested seems too damn big to comfortably fit in my pocket. All of the USB ports on my computer are full, too, so I was hoping to get something that worked with Firewire.
But, hey, I'm sorry if all of my common sense observations somehow made me look "mentally shallow"
USB 2 card: <$20.
or
Powered USB 2 hub: <$20.
MP3 player: $200-$400.
My computer is a Shuttle XPC, so I don't really have room for a USB 2 card. The powered hub would work, but I'd rather use one of the two Firewire ports that are free.
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