Am I the only one annoyed by this?

[Canterwood]

Originally posted by: linkgoron
Maybe I'm the only that's upset, but this really annoys me.

So go cry some in your room, and then get a life. :roll:

 

[Nelsieus]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Its not an attemps at a spin, you can put any companies name in there. It was a question, one you avoided. Why wouldnt you want the information a few weeks before cards were released? If a company has a set date, that they think they will have enough cards to meet demand, and allows reviews to be out a few weeks earlier than that, you wouldnt want that? I cant understand that thinking. The earlier the info, the better to me.

Then by that standard, the product would never have to release to please you, as long as you got to see how it performed and stacked up to other cards. Unfourtunately, this is not the prevalent desire amonst most GPU shoppers, so I'll just assume you're being an illogical fanATIc as usual.

Originally posted by: AckmedNope, not to me its not. It is, if they set a date for the cards to be available, and that date is not kept. Having reviews, or "previews" out, before the launch of a product, is not a launch. A launch is when the product is supposed to be available.

And by that standard, it would be impossible to have a paper-launch, because no matter when the card is available, you consider that to be the launch. So in other words, you're just creating a scenario for yourself that makes anything seem like a true launch. Again, I'll atribute this to your strong loyalty to ATI.

Originally posted by: MORPH
I call it a new product announcement. I doubt ATi calls it a "launch" anywhere.

I guess you missed the memo :roll:

From ATI:"ATI has pulled the Launch Date for the Radeon 1950 Series back to Aug 23rd, as originally scheduled."

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=3826

:roll:

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: Nelsieus

Originally posted by: Creig
ATI is being completely open and up front about their official launch date and projected availability. There's just no pleasing some people.

Killing someone and then admitting you did it does not exonerate you from your crime.

(Obviously that's not even on the same level as this, but the concept is similiar).

And if you noticed, nobody got upset when ATI launched the card back in July. Nobody got upset when they set the launch date for Aug. 23. So I think it's very unfair to say people are being too harsh on ATI.

And if you can acknowledge that Aug. 23 is the official launch (as everyone else does), then what is it called when products aren't available? If it's not a paper-launch, and certainly not a hard-launch, what are we calling it? A delayed-launch? A double launch? A pretend launch? We need a name.

How do you know it's Not available at all? For all we know there may be a few retailers that get them in in very limited quantity much like the C2D CPUs are.

 

[Canterwood]

Originally posted by: Wreckage
Obviously ATI is not going to say "PAPER LAUNCH INCOMING". They will say it was a delay or planets were out of alignment or some other such spin.

Yup. Just like Nvidia would.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: linkgoron

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: linkgoron

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Whatever you say.

"The chaps in Canada wanted to postpone the launch for three weeks to ensure there was enough supply to do a real hard launch. But since the print magazines have already gone to bed with their reviews of the hardware, at this point there is no turning back."

Either way, it's no big deal. Paper launch or not. Don't see why some are getting their panties in a bunch. It's not like any of you are incapable of gaming until this card becomes available.
This has been done forever and a day. Nothing new here.

It's not about the fact that I won't be able to buy it, it's the fact that they're lying. The card is "launching" at the 23rd (as stated by ATi), yet cards will be out around mid-sep. That's just annoying, and I wouldn't mind if they said "preview" or that they're delaying the launch to mid-september. I'd say ok, fine with me.

And to you guys that think I'm an nVidia fanboy, stfu. You can search my old posts and see for yourselves. To the guy that says that I'm like Rollo, lol.

so . . . again who cares?

just the nvidots
:Q
[it is gonna be hard not captalizing the 'v' . . . but i guess it's nvidia's new logo]

no, you are NOT like Rollo . .. . you lack most of his debating skills.
:thumbsdown:

EDIT: i just looked at your title again . . . Am I the only one annoyed by this?

it is a lie . . . you are overjoyed that the company you despise might be "late" with a product.
:disgust:

Despise? WTF are you talking about? If I had money today I'd go and buy a x1900XTX. Which IMO is much better than any nVidia product (except the 7950, but I'd never buy one). I'm annoyed because they're paper-launching it and I'm an nvidia fanboy? Look up my posts in the past, troll, and see how times I've said that people should buy an ATi card. I was really pissed off, when they said that they didn't delay the launch. It's just a lie, and if you can't see that, and think that I'm an nvidiot or whatever...

Yeah obviously Rollo is my god...

it's obvious to everyone else . . . you are attempting to copy his posting style in being "controversial" . . . but you seriously lack his skills.

you admit you aren't interested in buying an x1900xt - nor do you have the money . . . and yet you are annoyed?

you fit the definition of 'troll' although you accuse me of being one
:thumbsdown:

if it posts like a troll it is a troll . . .
. . . and this is a troll topic

 

[linkgoron]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: linkgoron


But that is not the case here. Again, if ATi would've said that they're letting sites preview it I would've shut up. That's not the case.
They're saying that they're not delaying the launch, just the retail availiability. Oh please... They even state that they're "launching it". While this is MUCH better than releasing it and then not finding cards, it is still a paper launch.

I wasn't mad at Intel for letting people test Conroe early, nor was I mad at AMD for letting people test the early X2's two months before their release. But there's a difference between calling it a launch, and calling it a preview.

Thanks for making my point. Some people cant be happy, no matter which way a card is "launched". Calling it a paper launch in wrong. They were not going to "launch" the card, just the reviews. Then the cards a few weeks later. Now it moot, as more rumors come out, and ATi is keeping the first launch date.

Here are the "facts" (used quotes because most is rumor from Inq and dailytech)
1. ATi had a launch date of August 23rd for reviews and cards to be widely available.
2. It became apparent that ATi would have a limited supply of cards if they kept their launch date of August 23rd.
3. ATi then changed their "release" date until Sept 14th, because they believe by that time they will have enough cards to not have a shortage of cards. Reviews would be allowed, but cards would be held until Sept 14th.
4. Magazines have already gone past the line, where they cant turn back for their issue with the review in them. Reviews stating that they should be available "by the time you read this". Famous words from most mag reviews.
5. ATi changes the date again, to August 23rd, because the magazines will be on stands well before Sept 14th. And then many people would complain that the cards are not for sale.

Is everyone is agreement with this?

It seems certain people complain no matter what. First ATi delayed their release date, so they could do a "hard launch", and not have a shortage of cards. Certain people complained. Then they allow reviews to be three weeks before cards are available, and keep with the delayed launch date. Certain people complained. Now they are back to releasing the cards, and reviews on the same date, with a limited supply of cards for sale. Certain people complained. Do you see a trend here? Certain people will complain no matter what.

As Ive said before, I like to see the numbers, as early as I can. How many "which is faster, X1950XTX or GX2?" threads, or questions have you seen? Ive seen a lot. People are holding builds, because a launch is so close. I would like it if NV let reviews of the 8800GTX (or whatever its going to be called) week before the launch. Why wait? I can think of no good reason to wait. If they have a date set, for when they can get a mass quanity of cards out, why not let reviews our earlier? How is having the information sooner, a bad thing? To me its not.

Ok, lets take another look

ATI has pulled the Launch Date for the Radeon 1950 Series back to Aug 23rd, as originally scheduled

SEE? LAUNCH DATE- AUG 23rd.
Cards to buy -mid-sept

If that's not a paper-launch I don't know what is. They're paper launching, why is it so hard to accept?
If you haven't noticed, they never planned to launch it mid-sept and let the reviews roll at the end of aug. A week before the supposed "launch" they say "oh look we have no cards, oh what shall we do?"

Worker A: Lets delay the launch
Worker B: no, lets just delay retail availiability to mid-sept, let's keep the launch at the 23rd of august.
Worker A: k.

Even ATi is calling it a launch. I hate paper launches, you can twist it and say that they're just giving you a pre-view. but they're calling it a launch, to fool people, because instead of waiting a week, they now have to wait 3-4 week. And then maybe nvidia will also have a "launch" but oh noes, the cards aren't there yet, you have to wait 2-3 more weeks after the "launch". Oh look another month or two have gone by. Well, now the G80/R600 are coming out soon, let's wait...WTF Just release the damn cards and dont lie.

This isn't like ATi've decided to be nice and say here see previews. It's the fact that they're delaying the launch, but still saying that they're launching at the 23rd.

Oh,I don't get why you guys are protecting paper-launches by saying that nvidia does it also. Both companies obviously do it. Both companies are WRONG by doing it, and people SHOULD say something about it. These paper-launches are just cover-ups because they can't meet the demand. If they can't meet the demand they should just push the whole thing 3 more weeks, instead of sites "reviewing" (which are actually previews) to cards that are 2 or more weeks away.

 

[linkgoron]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: linkgoron

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: linkgoron

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Whatever you say.

"The chaps in Canada wanted to postpone the launch for three weeks to ensure there was enough supply to do a real hard launch. But since the print magazines have already gone to bed with their reviews of the hardware, at this point there is no turning back."

Either way, it's no big deal. Paper launch or not. Don't see why some are getting their panties in a bunch. It's not like any of you are incapable of gaming until this card becomes available.
This has been done forever and a day. Nothing new here.

It's not about the fact that I won't be able to buy it, it's the fact that they're lying. The card is "launching" at the 23rd (as stated by ATi), yet cards will be out around mid-sep. That's just annoying, and I wouldn't mind if they said "preview" or that they're delaying the launch to mid-september. I'd say ok, fine with me.

And to you guys that think I'm an nVidia fanboy, stfu. You can search my old posts and see for yourselves. To the guy that says that I'm like Rollo, lol.

so . . . again who cares?

just the nvidots
:Q
[it is gonna be hard not captalizing the 'v' . . . but i guess it's nvidia's new logo]

no, you are NOT like Rollo . .. . you lack most of his debating skills.
:thumbsdown:

EDIT: i just looked at your title again . . . Am I the only one annoyed by this?

it is a lie . . . you are overjoyed that the company you despise might be "late" with a product.
:disgust:

Despise? WTF are you talking about? If I had money today I'd go and buy a x1900XTX. Which IMO is much better than any nVidia product (except the 7950, but I'd never buy one). I'm annoyed because they're paper-launching it and I'm an nvidia fanboy? Look up my posts in the past, troll, and see how times I've said that people should buy an ATi card. I was really pissed off, when they said that they didn't delay the launch. It's just a lie, and if you can't see that, and think that I'm an nvidiot or whatever...

Yeah obviously Rollo is my god...

it's obvious to everyone else . . . you are attempting to copy his posting style in being "controversial" . . . but you seriously lack his skills.

you admit you aren't interested in buying an x1900xt - nor do you have the money . . . and yet you are annoyed?

you fit the definition of 'troll' although you accuse me of being one
:thumbsdown:

if it posts like a troll it is a troll . . .
. . . and this is a troll topic

Yeah I'm obviously sad that they kicked out Rollo.

and I actually said that I am interested in buying an x1900xtx, but can't.
You know, there are things that annoy you even if they don't affect you directly. Can't you grasp that idea?

EDIT:
for example, doesn't it annoy you that it takes an hour to cancel an AOL account? Don't you think AOL should get sued or I don't know what because people that call to cancel their internet accounts or whatever, have to go through hours of scripts? Or maybe not because it doesn't affect you directly because you don't use AOL?

 

[apoppin]

yes . . i 'get' what you mean

and i am seriously annoyed by this thread

can't you grasp that?

finally . . . i'll drop out of it if you stop addressing me or calling me troll . . . you know how i feel about it [now] . . . i don't need to post here further.

ok?

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: schneiderguy

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: schneiderguy

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Uh, they didnt paper launch the X1950XTX. A paper launc is, setting a date, having reviews out on that date, and no cards available. Setting a relesae date back a few weeks, is not even close to that.

Guess you missed where NV has had more launch problems that ATi as of late. Funny how that works.

We will anounce on the 23rd and press embargo will be lifted. We will state that broad availability (retail on-shelf) will be mid-Sept

isnt that the definition of a paper launch?



nice job trying to start a flamewar with the shot at nvidia :thumbsup:

Nope a paper launch is the 7800gtx 512mb. Never was released. If it really is only 3 weeks until real availability, no biggie. Actually better than most launches. If I remember correctly was a couple of weeks at least until most people were actually getting the 7950's they ordered. Anyways nice job trying to start a flamewar. :beer:

:roll:

why do you feel the need to list all of nvidia's recent paper launches? this thread isnt about nvidia, idiot

Oh, well it certainly isn't about paper launches - so does this make it about spreading fud on ati? By November, we will have definite proof that it was paper launch or not. Point I was making is definition of a paper launch is a card that often never is produced in any real quanities and is just released to slow sales by your rival - who has superior cards in channel ready for sale. Of course the other definition is the 6800ultra and the x800xtpe - delays of many months before production difficulties were ironed out. So if you have proof or any other bizzare reason to suggest production difficuties with the x1950xt - lets see it. :beer:

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: linkgoron

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: linkgoron


But that is not the case here. Again, if ATi would've said that they're letting sites preview it I would've shut up. That's not the case.
They're saying that they're not delaying the launch, just the retail availiability. Oh please... They even state that they're "launching it". While this is MUCH better than releasing it and then not finding cards, it is still a paper launch.

I wasn't mad at Intel for letting people test Conroe early, nor was I mad at AMD for letting people test the early X2's two months before their release. But there's a difference between calling it a launch, and calling it a preview.

Thanks for making my point. Some people cant be happy, no matter which way a card is "launched". Calling it a paper launch in wrong. They were not going to "launch" the card, just the reviews. Then the cards a few weeks later. Now it moot, as more rumors come out, and ATi is keeping the first launch date.

Here are the "facts" (used quotes because most is rumor from Inq and dailytech)
1. ATi had a launch date of August 23rd for reviews and cards to be widely available.
2. It became apparent that ATi would have a limited supply of cards if they kept their launch date of August 23rd.
3. ATi then changed their "release" date until Sept 14th, because they believe by that time they will have enough cards to not have a shortage of cards. Reviews would be allowed, but cards would be held until Sept 14th.
4. Magazines have already gone past the line, where they cant turn back for their issue with the review in them. Reviews stating that they should be available "by the time you read this". Famous words from most mag reviews.
5. ATi changes the date again, to August 23rd, because the magazines will be on stands well before Sept 14th. And then many people would complain that the cards are not for sale.

Is everyone is agreement with this?

It seems certain people complain no matter what. First ATi delayed their release date, so they could do a "hard launch", and not have a shortage of cards. Certain people complained. Then they allow reviews to be three weeks before cards are available, and keep with the delayed launch date. Certain people complained. Now they are back to releasing the cards, and reviews on the same date, with a limited supply of cards for sale. Certain people complained. Do you see a trend here? Certain people will complain no matter what.

As Ive said before, I like to see the numbers, as early as I can. How many "which is faster, X1950XTX or GX2?" threads, or questions have you seen? Ive seen a lot. People are holding builds, because a launch is so close. I would like it if NV let reviews of the 8800GTX (or whatever its going to be called) week before the launch. Why wait? I can think of no good reason to wait. If they have a date set, for when they can get a mass quanity of cards out, why not let reviews our earlier? How is having the information sooner, a bad thing? To me its not.

Ok, lets take another look

ATI has pulled the Launch Date for the Radeon 1950 Series back to Aug 23rd, as originally scheduled

SEE? LAUNCH DATE- AUG 23rd.
Cards to buy -mid-sept

If that's not a paper-launch I don't know what is. They're paper launching, why is it so hard to accept?
If you haven't noticed, they never planned to launch it mid-sept and let the reviews roll at the end of aug. A week before the supposed "launch" they say "oh look we have no cards, oh what shall we do?"

Worker A: Lets delay the launch
Worker B: no, lets just delay retail availiability to mid-sept, let's keep the launch at the 23rd of august.
Worker A: k.

Even ATi is calling it a launch. I hate paper launches, you can twist it and say that they're just giving you a pre-view. but they're calling it a launch, to fool people, because instead of waiting a week, they now have to wait 3-4 week. And then maybe nvidia will also have a "launch" but oh noes, the cards aren't there yet, you have to wait 2-3 more weeks after the "launch". Oh look another month or two have gone by. Well, now the G80/R600 are coming out soon, let's wait...WTF Just release the damn cards and dont lie.

This isn't like ATi've decided to be nice and say here see previews. It's the fact that they're delaying the launch, but still saying that they're launching at the 23rd.

Oh,I don't get why you guys are protecting paper-launches by saying that nvidia does it also. Both companies obviously do it. Both companies are WRONG by doing it, and people SHOULD say something about it. These paper-launches are just cover-ups because they can't meet the demand. If they can't meet the demand they should just push the whole thing 3 more weeks, instead of sites "reviewing" (which are actually previews) to cards that are 2 or more weeks away.

Because now they are launching the cards, and reviews on the same date. So yes, now its a "launch". The "paper launch" is a moot argument, as they are not doing reviews, then launching three weeks later.

And your posts continues to show how I was right. You think they should hold everything, until they have enough cards for mass supply. Others prefer another route, and others another. You cant make everyone happy. There is a poll now.. and most people agree with me, and like a "preview" or review, whatever you want to call is, before the actual hardware is available.

Originally posted by: Nelsieus

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Its not an attemps at a spin, you can put any companies name in there. It was a question, one you avoided. Why wouldnt you want the information a few weeks before cards were released? If a company has a set date, that they think they will have enough cards to meet demand, and allows reviews to be out a few weeks earlier than that, you wouldnt want that? I cant understand that thinking. The earlier the info, the better to me.

Then by that standard, the product would never have to release to please you, as long as you got to see how it performed and stacked up to other cards. Unfourtunately, this is not the prevalent desire amonst most GPU shoppers, so I'll just assume you're being an illogical fanATIc as usual.

Nice, name calling now? "not the prevalent desire amonst most GPU shoppers"? Actually, according to the recent poll on these very forums, it is how GPU shoppers like it. Reviews out before, then the hardware for sale.

Originally posted by: Nelsieus

Originally posted by: AckmedNope, not to me its not. It is, if they set a date for the cards to be available, and that date is not kept. Having reviews, or "previews" out, before the launch of a product, is not a launch. A launch is when the product is supposed to be available.

And by that standard, it would be impossible to have a paper-launch, because no matter when the card is available, you consider that to be the launch. So in other words, you're just creating a scenario for yourself that makes anything seem like a true launch. Again, I'll atribute this to your strong loyalty to ATI.

Its not creating anything. How can it be a launch, if they dont set a date? If they have a date for reviews to be out, and then another for the actual hardware to be available, thats not a paper launch to me. If they dont have the hardware available, when they say it will be, thats a paper launch.

Originally posted by: Nelsieus

Originally posted by: MORPH
I call it a new product announcement. I doubt ATi calls it a "launch" anywhere.

I guess you missed the memo :roll:

From ATI:"ATI has pulled the Launch Date for the Radeon 1950 Series back to Aug 23rd, as originally scheduled."

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=3826

:roll:

Hmm, is that ATi's own words? Looks like dailytechs to me.

But even so, yes is now going to "launch" on the 23rd. Why is it a launch now? Because the hardware will be available, albeit in small numbers, on that date. Honestly, its not that hard to grasp.

But its pretty pointless at this time anyways, since it appears ATi has moved the launch, back to August 23rd. The same day reviews, and hardware will be out. Or at least are supposed to, we'll see how that goes.

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: Nelsieus

Originally posted by: Creig
ATI is being completely open and up front about their official launch date and projected availability. There's just no pleasing some people.

Killing someone and then admitting you did it does not exonerate you from your crime.

(Obviously that's not even on the same level as this, but the concept is similiar).

And if you noticed, nobody got upset when ATI launched the card back in July. Nobody got upset when they set the launch date for Aug. 23. So I think it's very unfair to say people are being too harsh on ATI.

And if you can acknowledge that Aug. 23 is the official launch (as everyone else does), then what is it called when products aren't available? If it's not a paper-launch, and certainly not a hard-launch, what are we calling it? A delayed-launch? A double launch? A pretend launch? We need a name.

When did they "launch" the card in July? Merely saying they have a product in the works isn't a "launch".

Call it a double launch i guess. It's not a paper launch as they told you in advance what was happening.

The x800s were a paper launch, where they quietly sent cards around to reviewers then they were barely able to be found in stores. That's why they got killed that generation by the cheaper, available, 95% as fast 6800 gt.

 

[Nelsieus]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Nice, name calling now? "not the prevalent desire amonst most GPU shoppers"? Actually, according to the recent poll on these very forums, it is how GPU shoppers like it. Reviews out before, then the hardware for sale.

I believe the vote was for "Reviews on day Y, released for mass availability on day X"

not:

"Announce on day Y, launch on day X, and release for mass availability on day Z."

And right now I see 60% voting for that former option, and 38% strictly voting for same day availability on launch. So using a mere 30 Anandtech voters to represent the entity of GPU shoppers certainly doesn't help your case, especially when it doesn't even describe the situation with the Radeon x1950XTX.

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Hmm, is that ATi's own words? Looks like dailytechs to me.

Yes, it is from ATI which you would know if you had read the article: :roll:

"The email sent out from ATI is as follows:
Please Note: ATI has pulled the Launch Date for the Radeon 1950 Series back to Aug 23rd, as originally scheduled."

You continue changing your justifications as each one becomes disproved. I guess after a while you'll just finally say "It's not a paper-launch because ATI is the best GPU Co. ever." :roll:

 

[Nelsieus]

Originally posted by: zendari

When did they "launch" the card in July? Merely saying they have a product in the works isn't a "launch".

I meant to say announce, my apologies.
(I've referred to it as an announcement throughout this thread, though).

 

[Drayvn]

So people are complaining that since the availibility was going to be in mid september for the X1950 and the reveiws by the 23rd of august, they called it a paper launch?

Right so why are ppl calling it a paper launch when they are launching a limited number on the same day as the reviews? Isnt that what you guys wanted? Wouldnt that be not a paper launch as its a reversal of what you called a paper launch?

What do you want, one things a paper launch then they change it to make ppl happy and then the same ppl start complaining its a paper launch all over again. MAKE UP YOUR BLOODY MINDS!

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: Nelsieus

Originally posted by: zendari

When did they "launch" the card in July? Merely saying they have a product in the works isn't a "launch".

I meant to say announce, my apologies.
(I've referred to it as an announcement throughout this thread, though).

What are you talking about? All companies discuss future products, especially to the investment community. The anti ati crowd have got a little more civil in the last year, but the logic used still has room for improvement. :beer:

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: Drayvn
So people are complaining that since the availibility was going to be in mid september for the X1950 and the reveiws by the 23rd of august, they called it a paper launch?

Right so why are ppl calling it a paper launch when they are launching a limited number on the same day as the reviews? Isnt that what you guys wanted? Wouldnt that be not a paper launch as its a reversal of what you called a paper launch?

What do you want, one things a paper launch then they change it to make ppl happy and then the same ppl start complaining its a paper launch all over again. MAKE UP YOUR BLOODY MINDS!

No, if ati had done the standard launch. Slow start with full availability in 3 weeks, everyone would be happy. Why even the op would congratulate ati on having the best card with the best iq. Nelsieus and Crusador would post threads about how great their new cards are and how happy to have switched. Wait a minute, this is what ati is saying they will do. So lets see if they are accurate or if they really mean by christmas.

 

[tuteja1986]

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug
Ati has been paper launching since the creation of paper. I just got acustomed to it

9XXX weren't paper launch :!

 

[tuteja1986]

Originally posted by: Lonyo
Well, it might be they will release some to the big system builders like Dell etc before hand, and only allow shop retail mid September.
Or it might be that they will not appear anywhere until mid Sept.

But it's a bit of a pointless product anyway, unless R600/G80 are delayed until January or something.

Nvidia is planning to launch G80 in nov since they want to milk all they can with G7X . also fix the Quad core horrible performance.

ATI is planning to launch R600 in Jan. ATI has to know supply Dell with AMD mobo/GPU for AMD dell Server/Desktop. At the same time they loose Intel contract this year but they gain other market So biggies anyways

 

[tuteja1986]

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: Drayvn
So people are complaining that since the availibility was going to be in mid september for the X1950 and the reveiws by the 23rd of august, they called it a paper launch?

Right so why are ppl calling it a paper launch when they are launching a limited number on the same day as the reviews? Isnt that what you guys wanted? Wouldnt that be not a paper launch as its a reversal of what you called a paper launch?

What do you want, one things a paper launch then they change it to make ppl happy and then the same ppl start complaining its a paper launch all over again. MAKE UP YOUR BLOODY MINDS!

No, if ati had done the standard launch. Slow start with full availability in 3 weeks, everyone would be happy. Why even the op would congratulate ati on having the best card with the best iq. Nelsieus and Crusador would post threads about how great their new cards are and how happy to have switched. Wait a minute, this is what ati is saying they will do. So lets see if they are accurate or if they really mean by christmas.

Christmas , You will see R600 leaked/perview and paper launch on Late December and Avaliablity on mid Jan. I love ATI lazy Team with project manager ain't able to manage his/her time.

 

[LittleNemoNES]

::sniff::

I smell sand.

I think some people are soon to have some Anandtech Vacations.

 

[LittleNemoNES]

DBL post NVM

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: tuteja1986

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug
Ati has been paper launching since the creation of paper. I just got acustomed to it

9XXX weren't paper launch :!

Neither was the x1900s...incidentally, these 2 were the only competitive productlines they had amongst the entire mess of x600s, x700s, x800s, x850s, x1600s and x1800s at their time of release. Sadly for ATI X's and T's don't make good graphics cards.

 

[Nelsieus]

Originally posted by: ronnn
What are you talking about? All companies discuss future products, especially to the investment community. The anti ati crowd have got a little more civil in the last year, but the logic used still has room for improvement. :beer:

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Logic will never make sense when the interpreter can't read. :roll:

Originally posted by: Nelsieus
And if you noticed, nobody got upset when ATI launched (meant announced) the card back in July. Nobody got upset when they set the launch date for Aug. 23.

I specifically stated that nobody (or atleast me) got upset when ATI "announced" the card back in July, nor when Aug. 23 was listed as the launch date. What upset (or irritated, I should say) people was finding out that GPUs won't be available the day of the launch (as indicated by both Anand and ATI), nor even within the first week of the launch.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: tuteja1986

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: Drayvn
So people are complaining that since the availibility was going to be in mid september for the X1950 and the reveiws by the 23rd of august, they called it a paper launch?

Right so why are ppl calling it a paper launch when they are launching a limited number on the same day as the reviews? Isnt that what you guys wanted? Wouldnt that be not a paper launch as its a reversal of what you called a paper launch?

What do you want, one things a paper launch then they change it to make ppl happy and then the same ppl start complaining its a paper launch all over again. MAKE UP YOUR BLOODY MINDS!

No, if ati had done the standard launch. Slow start with full availability in 3 weeks, everyone would be happy. Why even the op would congratulate ati on having the best card with the best iq. Nelsieus and Crusador would post threads about how great their new cards are and how happy to have switched. Wait a minute, this is what ati is saying they will do. So lets see if they are accurate or if they really mean by christmas.

Christmas , You will see R600 leaked/perview and paper launch on Late December and Avaliablity on mid Jan. I love ATI lazy Team with project manager ain't able to manage his/her time.

as if you actually know what you're talking about :roll:

 

[akugami]

Originally posted by: Drayvn
So people are complaining that since the availibility was going to be in mid september for the X1950 and the reveiws by the 23rd of august, they called it a paper launch?

Right so why are ppl calling it a paper launch when they are launching a limited number on the same day as the reviews? Isnt that what you guys wanted? Wouldnt that be not a paper launch as its a reversal of what you called a paper launch?

What do you want, one things a paper launch then they change it to make ppl happy and then the same ppl start complaining its a paper launch all over again. MAKE UP YOUR BLOODY MINDS!

But then they'd have to use logic and work actual brain cells!


Seriously folks, the people I see most upset over this are the ones who are the least likely to buy the cards. The same people upset over ATI's recent "paper launches" are actually defending nVidia's "hard launches" even though the hard launches are to extremely low availability.

I will say that while I found the debacle that is the launch of the 7800GTX 512MB distasteful, I was never going to acquire the card so I didn't care too much either way. I did find the smug superior attitude of the nVidiots who can now rub their e-schlong over having the best video card a tad annoying considering the near vaporware status of the card. I didn't find the month long wait for actual X1800 cards annoying either because I was never going to get these cards.

I waited well after the X1900 launch (which was to decent availability) to see how the 7900's would do and was rather annoyed by the lack of available cards for no more than one day at a time, once or twice a week even a month after the 7900 launch very annoying as I was seriously considering purchasing the cards. I could have bought an X1900 two months earlier if I hadn't waited and evaluated what was the best option. Granted I got the card cheaper than the $450 price I would have paid two months earlier.

These are my last comments in this thread as I've said my piece and you can agree with it or not. I care not either way.