Am I the only one annoyed by this?

[schneiderguy]

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: schneiderguy

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Uh, they didnt paper launch the X1950XTX. A paper launc is, setting a date, having reviews out on that date, and no cards available. Setting a relesae date back a few weeks, is not even close to that.

Guess you missed where NV has had more launch problems that ATi as of late. Funny how that works.

We will anounce on the 23rd and press embargo will be lifted. We will state that broad availability (retail on-shelf) will be mid-Sept

isnt that the definition of a paper launch?



nice job trying to start a flamewar with the shot at nvidia :thumbsup:

Nope a paper launch is the 7800gtx 512mb. Never was released. If it really is only 3 weeks until real availability, no biggie. Actually better than most launches. If I remember correctly was a couple of weeks at least until most people were actually getting the 7950's they ordered. Anyways nice job trying to start a flamewar. :beer:

:roll:

why do you feel the need to list all of nvidia's recent paper launches? this thread isnt about nvidia, idiot

 

[ShadowOfMyself]

Originally posted by: schneiderguy

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: schneiderguy

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Uh, they didnt paper launch the X1950XTX. A paper launc is, setting a date, having reviews out on that date, and no cards available. Setting a relesae date back a few weeks, is not even close to that.

Guess you missed where NV has had more launch problems that ATi as of late. Funny how that works.

We will anounce on the 23rd and press embargo will be lifted. We will state that broad availability (retail on-shelf) will be mid-Sept

isnt that the definition of a paper launch?



nice job trying to start a flamewar with the shot at nvidia :thumbsup:

Nope a paper launch is the 7800gtx 512mb. Never was released. If it really is only 3 weeks until real availability, no biggie. Actually better than most launches. If I remember correctly was a couple of weeks at least until most people were actually getting the 7950's they ordered. Anyways nice job trying to start a flamewar. :beer:

:roll:

why do you feel the need to list all of nvidia's recent paper launches? this thread isnt about nvidia, idiot

Because they happened? Because if youre gonna blame Ati you have to blame Nvidia for the same problem? SO basically you want everyone to crap on Ati for delaying a product, but say nothing about how nvidia has been having supply problems lately? Sorry but youre the idiot

 

[linkgoron]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: linkgoron

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Whatever you say.

"The chaps in Canada wanted to postpone the launch for three weeks to ensure there was enough supply to do a real hard launch. But since the print magazines have already gone to bed with their reviews of the hardware, at this point there is no turning back."

Either way, it's no big deal. Paper launch or not. Don't see why some are getting their panties in a bunch. It's not like any of you are incapable of gaming until this card becomes available.
This has been done forever and a day. Nothing new here.

It's not about the fact that I won't be able to buy it, it's the fact that they're lying. The card is "launching" at the 23rd (as stated by ATi), yet cards will be out around mid-sep. That's just annoying, and I wouldn't mind if they said "preview" or that they're delaying the launch to mid-september. I'd say ok, fine with me.

And to you guys that think I'm an nVidia fanboy, stfu. You can search my old posts and see for yourselves. To the guy that says that I'm like Rollo, lol.

so . . . again who cares?

just the nvidots
:Q
[it is gonna be hard not captalizing the 'v' . . . but i guess it's nvidia's new logo]

no, you are NOT like Rollo . .. . you lack most of his debating skills.
:thumbsdown:

EDIT: i just looked at your title again . . . Am I the only one annoyed by this?

it is a lie . . . you are overjoyed that the company you despise might be "late" with a product.
:disgust:

Despise? WTF are you talking about? If I had money today I'd go and buy a x1900XTX. Which IMO is much better than any nVidia product (except the 7950, but I'd never buy one). I'm annoyed because they're paper-launching it and I'm an nvidia fanboy? Look up my posts in the past, troll, and see how times I've said that people should buy an ATi card. I was really pissed off, when they said that they didn't delay the launch. It's just a lie, and if you can't see that, and think that I'm an nvidiot or whatever...

Yeah obviously Rollo is my god...

 

[schneiderguy]

Originally posted by: ShadowOfMyself

Originally posted by: schneiderguy

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: schneiderguy

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Uh, they didnt paper launch the X1950XTX. A paper launc is, setting a date, having reviews out on that date, and no cards available. Setting a relesae date back a few weeks, is not even close to that.

Guess you missed where NV has had more launch problems that ATi as of late. Funny how that works.

We will anounce on the 23rd and press embargo will be lifted. We will state that broad availability (retail on-shelf) will be mid-Sept

isnt that the definition of a paper launch?



nice job trying to start a flamewar with the shot at nvidia :thumbsup:

Nope a paper launch is the 7800gtx 512mb. Never was released. If it really is only 3 weeks until real availability, no biggie. Actually better than most launches. If I remember correctly was a couple of weeks at least until most people were actually getting the 7950's they ordered. Anyways nice job trying to start a flamewar. :beer:

:roll:

why do you feel the need to list all of nvidia's recent paper launches? this thread isnt about nvidia, idiot

Because they happened? Because if youre gonna blame Ati you have to blame Nvidia for the same problem? SO basically you want everyone to crap on Ati for delaying a product, but say nothing about how nvidia has been having supply problems lately? Sorry but youre the idiot

where am i crapping on ATI about having a paper launch? ackmed said it wasnt a paper launch, i gave him the definition of a paper launch and told him it was

nvidia and ATI BOTH have paper launched in the past, yet ronn comes in here and starts naming off every paper launch nvidia has had in the past five years.... i dont need to remind you about the x800xt "Phantom Edition" do I?

 

[linkgoron]

Originally posted by: ShadowOfMyself

Originally posted by: schneiderguy

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: schneiderguy

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Uh, they didnt paper launch the X1950XTX. A paper launc is, setting a date, having reviews out on that date, and no cards available. Setting a relesae date back a few weeks, is not even close to that.

Guess you missed where NV has had more launch problems that ATi as of late. Funny how that works.

We will anounce on the 23rd and press embargo will be lifted. We will state that broad availability (retail on-shelf) will be mid-Sept

isnt that the definition of a paper launch?



nice job trying to start a flamewar with the shot at nvidia :thumbsup:

Nope a paper launch is the 7800gtx 512mb. Never was released. If it really is only 3 weeks until real availability, no biggie. Actually better than most launches. If I remember correctly was a couple of weeks at least until most people were actually getting the 7950's they ordered. Anyways nice job trying to start a flamewar. :beer:

:roll:

why do you feel the need to list all of nvidia's recent paper launches? this thread isnt about nvidia, idiot

Because they happened? Because if youre gonna blame Ati you have to blame Nvidia for the same problem? SO basically you want everyone to crap on Ati for delaying a product, but say nothing about how nvidia has been having supply problems lately? Sorry but youre the idiot

Obviously stuff happened in the past and nvidia has had paper-launches in the past, but I'm talking about now. Obviously they're both guilty about it. I'm not talking about the last 20 years, I'm talking about now. I'm not comparing the actions of nvidia to ATis, if nVidia paper-launches their products, you'll see me complaining.

I don't get it, if I post something bad about ATi, I have to show what the other company did too? This isn't a competition. ATi is paper-launching NOW and when/if nvidia paper-launch a product in the future, I'll be the first to complain.

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: redbox

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Im talking about, they havent paper launched anything. At least not yet. All of this information we have, is not direct, its rumor as of now. We're getting it second hand, or worse.

quoted from the dailytech article
The email sent out from ATI is as follows:

Please Note: ATI has pulled the Launch Date for the Radeon 1950 Series back to Aug 23rd, as originally scheduled. We will anounce on the 23rd and press embargo will be lifted. We will state that broad availability (retail on-shelf) will be mid-Sept. Apologies for any confusion, thank you-

Guess you missed the part that says Email sent out from ATI. I would consider that to be pretty direct. Paper launch = not having part in retail channel when launched. This will be a paper launch anyway you slice it. Why even talk about a card if you can't sell it? The performance info is nice to have yes, but so is price and you can't have that if the card isn't selling in retail channels.

Assuming its true. Are you 100% certain its true? Im not. I think it probably is true though.

Not that what ATi is rumored to do is a "real" paper launch. To me, a paper launch is setting a date for actual hardware to be for sale, and its not. Having reviews out before the stated date that the hardware is supposed to be out, is not what I would call a paper launch.

Originally posted by: hemmy

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Im talking about, they havent paper launched anything. At least not yet. All of this information we have, is not direct, its rumor as of now. We're getting it second hand, or worse.

And I dont see whats the problem with paper launches. Ive said many times in the past, I like them. Lets take a look at three different hypothetical scenarios;

1. You can get reviews of a video card on August 23rd, with cards available in mass quanity on Sept 15th, at or around MSRP.
2. You can get reviews of a video card on August 23rd, with a trickle of cards available well over MSRP because they are in short supply on August 23rd.
3. You can get reviews of a video card on Sept 15th, with cards available in mass quanity on the same day, at or around MSRP.


The choice for me is, #1. I get the info I need to make a decision, and have time to plan ahead. Sell my card, save cash, etc. The sooner I have the information, the better it is to me. Too many times, #2 has been the option, and thats my least favorite. Its happend to NV the past few launches, and ATi in the past. Screw that price gouging route. I do not pay over MSRP for a card, they can keep it with those markups.

If ATi was to keep this rumored launch date of August 23rd, and didnt have the cards available for a widely available launch, and prices were gouged, you'd be complaining about that too. So which way to you want it? Make up your mind, and stick to it. Its a no win with some of you.

actually only the 7800gtx 512, considering i could find plenty of 7900s available although every screamed paper launch i could find 5+ sites with them instock at all times, for MSRP

7950gx2 available at launch (not the date OEMs started selling quad SLI)

ATI has had good launches on the X1900XT/XTX and GT i think, the X1800GTO was only about a week or so late

Both companies are doing much better IMO

Its pretty well documented that the 7900 series was rather hard to get, a few weeks after launch. They were OOS, and price gouged. And no, you could not find 5+ sites with them in stock for MSRP at all times. Do a search for the many threads about the low supply of 7900's.

Originally posted by: Nelsieus

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: schneiderguy

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Uh, they didnt paper launch the X1950XTX. A paper launc is, setting a date, having reviews out on that date, and no cards available. Setting a relesae date back a few weeks, is not even close to that.

Guess you missed where NV has had more launch problems that ATi as of late. Funny how that works.

We will anounce on the 23rd and press embargo will be lifted. We will state that broad availability (retail on-shelf) will be mid-Sept

isnt that the definition of a paper launch?

nice job trying to start a flamewar with the shot at nvidia :thumbsup:

Nope a paper launch is the 7800gtx 512mb. Never was released. If it really is only 3 weeks until real availability, no biggie. Actually better than most launches. If I remember correctly was a couple of weeks at least until most people were actually getting the 7950's they ordered. Anyways nice job trying to start a flamewar. :beer:

About Geforce 7800GTX 512MB - that right there proves you know absolutely nothing about a paper-launch. If I remember correctly, the Geforce 7800GTX 512MB was actually released before it was launched , then with broad availability the day of launch. You need to stop confusing a paper-launch with availability. The Geforce 7800GTX 512MB did not paper-launch, but yes, it had horrible availability (a week or so after the actual launch).

Also, your argument that "atleast ATI is giving a specific date on when they will have availability" doesn't have much substance. The reason people dislike paper-launches is because so much hype and excitement is built, yet they can't go out and buy the product everyone is raving about. Reviewers dislike paper-launches because they are spending their time and effort on a product that nobody can buy - resulting in more of a PR hype than anything.

Regardless of if ATI sets a date for when availability will be, and whether it's a month or a year after after the release, it doesn't make a difference because there will be no products on the shelf the day the cards are launched, and it seems it will take 3 weeks.

So you and Ackmed can continue to dig a deeper whole, but you'll find ATI won't be there to catch you when you fall.

That shows that you cant comprehend very well. Where did I say the 7800GTX 512MB was paper launched? I said "NV has had more launch problems that ATi as of late." Which is true.

Digging a deeper hole.. ? Heh. the following is hypothetical Lets say NV's next card is due out for sale on Oct 28th. Then lets say they get review samples to reviewers a few weeks early. And are allowed to post reviews of the card, 2 weeks before the scheduled launch of the cards. Are you really telling me you wouldnt want to know 2 weeks earlier, how the cards do? You would rather wait till Oct 28th to find out any information about it? I wouldnt. The sooner I ge the information, the better to me. In fact, I would rather have reviews out as soon as they can get stable reviewable cards out, so I can plan ahead.

In short, as I said in my first post, what ATi is being rumored to do, is not a "paper launch".

And which option out of the three I listed, would you honestly choose?

 

[Ackmed]

Well, now according to the Inq (more rumors *yay*), ATi will rellease it on the 23rd of Auguest. In limited supply. So cards will be hard to come by, and will probably be price gouged. And this is better than seeing reviews August 23rd, and waiting till Sept 14th for mass availabilty? Not in my book. I will not pay over MSRP, and I hate searching for a card thats in stock, on several sites. I wish ATi would just wait till they have a bunch of cards available, and let the reviews go on the 23rd. But as I said much earlier, people will complain either way.

Mark my word, there will be several people on here complaining that they cant fine the card, its priced too high, and there are not enough. The same people that complained that ATi pushed the date back a few weeks to get more cards available for release. You see, the old saying is very much true, you cant please everyone. In fact, you cant please some people at all.

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: schneiderguy
why do you feel the need to list all of nvidia's recent paper launches? this thread isnt about nvidia, idiot

umm.. because someone else brought up how good nv launches are and others stated they preferred the way nv launches?


bit of the pot calling the kettle black.

 

[Paratus]

Forget it Ackmed, the usual suspects want to keep their heads in the sand.

If you had told them they could have a preview of the GX2 2 weeks before launch I'm sure they all would say no because that would make it a PL.

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Whatever you say.

"The chaps in Canada wanted to postpone the launch for three weeks to ensure there was enough supply to do a real hard launch. But since the print magazines have already gone to bed with their reviews of the hardware, at this point there is no turning back."

What's funny is they used that same BS line before. Some sites actually had reviews up and ATI had them pull it. It's all just a cheap marketing ploy.

To the people saying that we should not complain about this, take your own advice and don't complain about this thread. Yeah, that's what I thought. :laugh:

Seems like their hand was forced by review places, 2 of which at least already leaked stuff.

 

[schneiderguy]

Originally posted by: CaiNaM

Originally posted by: schneiderguy
why do you feel the need to list all of nvidia's recent paper launches? this thread isnt about nvidia, idiot

umm.. because someone else brought up how good nv launches are and others stated they preferred the way nv launches?


bit of the pot calling the kettle black.

uh, no one mentioned nvidia until ackmed said:

Guess you missed where NV has had more launch problems that ATi as of late. Funny how that works.

 

[linkgoron]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: redbox

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Im talking about, they havent paper launched anything. At least not yet. All of this information we have, is not direct, its rumor as of now. We're getting it second hand, or worse.

quoted from the dailytech article
The email sent out from ATI is as follows:

Please Note: ATI has pulled the Launch Date for the Radeon 1950 Series back to Aug 23rd, as originally scheduled. We will anounce on the 23rd and press embargo will be lifted. We will state that broad availability (retail on-shelf) will be mid-Sept. Apologies for any confusion, thank you-

Guess you missed the part that says Email sent out from ATI. I would consider that to be pretty direct. Paper launch = not having part in retail channel when launched. This will be a paper launch anyway you slice it. Why even talk about a card if you can't sell it? The performance info is nice to have yes, but so is price and you can't have that if the card isn't selling in retail channels.

Assuming its true. Are you 100% certain its true? Im not. I think it probably is true though.

Not that what ATi is rumored to do is a "real" paper launch. To me, a paper launch is setting a date for actual hardware to be for sale, and its not. Having reviews out before the stated date that the hardware is supposed to be out, is not what I would call a paper launch.

Originally posted by: hemmy

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Im talking about, they havent paper launched anything. At least not yet. All of this information we have, is not direct, its rumor as of now. We're getting it second hand, or worse.

And I dont see whats the problem with paper launches. Ive said many times in the past, I like them. Lets take a look at three different hypothetical scenarios;

1. You can get reviews of a video card on August 23rd, with cards available in mass quanity on Sept 15th, at or around MSRP.
2. You can get reviews of a video card on August 23rd, with a trickle of cards available well over MSRP because they are in short supply on August 23rd.
3. You can get reviews of a video card on Sept 15th, with cards available in mass quanity on the same day, at or around MSRP.


The choice for me is, #1. I get the info I need to make a decision, and have time to plan ahead. Sell my card, save cash, etc. The sooner I have the information, the better it is to me. Too many times, #2 has been the option, and thats my least favorite. Its happend to NV the past few launches, and ATi in the past. Screw that price gouging route. I do not pay over MSRP for a card, they can keep it with those markups.

If ATi was to keep this rumored launch date of August 23rd, and didnt have the cards available for a widely available launch, and prices were gouged, you'd be complaining about that too. So which way to you want it? Make up your mind, and stick to it. Its a no win with some of you.

actually only the 7800gtx 512, considering i could find plenty of 7900s available although every screamed paper launch i could find 5+ sites with them instock at all times, for MSRP

7950gx2 available at launch (not the date OEMs started selling quad SLI)

ATI has had good launches on the X1900XT/XTX and GT i think, the X1800GTO was only about a week or so late

Both companies are doing much better IMO

Its pretty well documented that the 7900 series was rather hard to get, a few weeks after launch. They were OOS, and price gouged. And no, you could not find 5+ sites with them in stock for MSRP at all times. Do a search for the many threads about the low supply of 7900's.

Originally posted by: Nelsieus

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: schneiderguy

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Uh, they didnt paper launch the X1950XTX. A paper launc is, setting a date, having reviews out on that date, and no cards available. Setting a relesae date back a few weeks, is not even close to that.

Guess you missed where NV has had more launch problems that ATi as of late. Funny how that works.

We will anounce on the 23rd and press embargo will be lifted. We will state that broad availability (retail on-shelf) will be mid-Sept

isnt that the definition of a paper launch?

nice job trying to start a flamewar with the shot at nvidia :thumbsup:

Nope a paper launch is the 7800gtx 512mb. Never was released. If it really is only 3 weeks until real availability, no biggie. Actually better than most launches. If I remember correctly was a couple of weeks at least until most people were actually getting the 7950's they ordered. Anyways nice job trying to start a flamewar. :beer:

About Geforce 7800GTX 512MB - that right there proves you know absolutely nothing about a paper-launch. If I remember correctly, the Geforce 7800GTX 512MB was actually released before it was launched , then with broad availability the day of launch. You need to stop confusing a paper-launch with availability. The Geforce 7800GTX 512MB did not paper-launch, but yes, it had horrible availability (a week or so after the actual launch).

Also, your argument that "atleast ATI is giving a specific date on when they will have availability" doesn't have much substance. The reason people dislike paper-launches is because so much hype and excitement is built, yet they can't go out and buy the product everyone is raving about. Reviewers dislike paper-launches because they are spending their time and effort on a product that nobody can buy - resulting in more of a PR hype than anything.

Regardless of if ATI sets a date for when availability will be, and whether it's a month or a year after after the release, it doesn't make a difference because there will be no products on the shelf the day the cards are launched, and it seems it will take 3 weeks.

So you and Ackmed can continue to dig a deeper whole, but you'll find ATI won't be there to catch you when you fall.

That shows that you cant comprehend very well. Where did I say the 7800GTX 512MB was paper launched? I said "NV has had more launch problems that ATi as of late." Which is true.

Digging a deeper hole.. ? Heh. the following is hypothetical Lets say NV's next card is due out for sale on Oct 28th. Then lets say they get review samples to reviewers a few weeks early. And are allowed to post reviews of the card, 2 weeks before the scheduled launch of the cards. Are you really telling me you wouldnt want to know 2 weeks earlier, how the cards do? You would rather wait till Oct 28th to find out any information about it? I wouldnt. The sooner I ge the information, the better to me. In fact, I would rather have reviews out as soon as they can get stable reviewable cards out, so I can plan ahead.

In short, as I said in my first post, what ATi is being rumored to do, is not a "paper launch".

And which option out of the three I listed, would you honestly choose?

But that is not the case here. Again, if ATi would've said that they're letting sites preview it I would've shut up. That's not the case.
They're saying that they're not delaying the launch, just the retail availiability. Oh please... They even state that they're "launching it". While this is MUCH better than releasing it and then not finding cards, it is still a paper launch.

I wasn't mad at Intel for letting people test Conroe early, nor was I mad at AMD for letting people test the early X2's two months before their release. But there's a difference between calling it a launch, and calling it a preview.

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: zendari
Seems like their hand was forced by review places, 2 of which at least already leaked stuff.

Exactly.

If ATI hadn't released at least some cards, everybody on the GreenTeam would've been screaming "Where is it?!? There are reviews out there and no cards until September 14th! It's a paper launch!".

Although now they're yelling "Where is it?!? There are reviews out there and only a limited number of cards until September 14th! It's a paper launch!"

ATI is being completely open and up front about their official launch date and projected availability. There's just no pleasing some people.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Who cares....

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: linkgoron


But that is not the case here. Again, if ATi would've said that they're letting sites preview it I would've shut up. That's not the case.
They're saying that they're not delaying the launch, just the retail availiability. Oh please... They even state that they're "launching it". While this is MUCH better than releasing it and then not finding cards, it is still a paper launch.

I wasn't mad at Intel for letting people test Conroe early, nor was I mad at AMD for letting people test the early X2's two months before their release. But there's a difference between calling it a launch, and calling it a preview.

Thanks for making my point. Some people cant be happy, no matter which way a card is "launched". Calling it a paper launch in wrong. They were not going to "launch" the card, just the reviews. Then the cards a few weeks later. Now it moot, as more rumors come out, and ATi is keeping the first launch date.

Here are the "facts" (used quotes because most is rumor from Inq and dailytech)
1. ATi had a launch date of August 23rd for reviews and cards to be widely available.
2. It became apparent that ATi would have a limited supply of cards if they kept their launch date of August 23rd.
3. ATi then changed their "release" date until Sept 14th, because they believe by that time they will have enough cards to not have a shortage of cards. Reviews would be allowed, but cards would be held until Sept 14th.
4. Magazines have already gone past the line, where they cant turn back for their issue with the review in them. Reviews stating that they should be available "by the time you read this". Famous words from most mag reviews.
5. ATi changes the date again, to August 23rd, because the magazines will be on stands well before Sept 14th. And then many people would complain that the cards are not for sale.

Is everyone is agreement with this?

It seems certain people complain no matter what. First ATi delayed their release date, so they could do a "hard launch", and not have a shortage of cards. Certain people complained. Then they allow reviews to be three weeks before cards are available, and keep with the delayed launch date. Certain people complained. Now they are back to releasing the cards, and reviews on the same date, with a limited supply of cards for sale. Certain people complained. Do you see a trend here? Certain people will complain no matter what.

As Ive said before, I like to see the numbers, as early as I can. How many "which is faster, X1950XTX or GX2?" threads, or questions have you seen? Ive seen a lot. People are holding builds, because a launch is so close. I would like it if NV let reviews of the 8800GTX (or whatever its going to be called) week before the launch. Why wait? I can think of no good reason to wait. If they have a date set, for when they can get a mass quanity of cards out, why not let reviews our earlier? How is having the information sooner, a bad thing? To me its not.

 

[Auric]

Essentially, some folks are whinging because they are aware of a product before actually stumbling across it on the shelf of their local chain store. If knowing anything in advance upsets you then don't read about it. :disgust:

Indeed, presumably these folks have not been strapped in a chair a la "A Clockwork Orange" or "The Parallax View" and had information forced upon them, rather they must actively seek it out.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

3. ATi then changed their "release" date until Sept 14th, because they believe by that time they will have enough cards to not have a shortage of cards. Reviews would be allowed, but cards would be held until Sept 14th.

Yup. Paper Launch.

If it's not a big deal, why are you getting so upset about it? Just skip this thread and move on.

Obviously ATI is not going to say "PAPER LAUNCH INCOMING". They will say it was a delay or planets were out of alignment or some other such spin.

 

[Nelsieus]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
That shows that you cant comprehend very well. Where did I say the 7800GTX 512MB was paper launched?

It was in response to Ronn's claim, hence why I replied / quoted it. Do not attack my level of comprehension to this thread when you yourself blatantly mis-read who is responding to whom.

Originally posted by: AckmedDigging a deeper hole.. ? Heh. the following is hypothetical Lets say NV's next card is due out for sale on Oct 28th. Then lets say they get review samples to reviewers a few weeks early. And are allowed to post reviews of the card, 2 weeks before the scheduled launch of the cards. Are you really telling me you wouldnt want to know 2 weeks earlier, how the cards do? You would rather wait till Oct 28th to find out any information about it? I wouldnt. The sooner I ge the information, the better to me. In fact, I would rather have reviews out as soon as they can get stable reviewable cards out, so I can plan ahead.

Definately. But then when Oct. 28 comes, and nVidia says "oops, availability really won't be here until the middle of Dec..." That's when I start having issues, as is the case in this situation.

So nice try in your spinning attempt, but if you're going to try to make a point, atleast make sure your theoretical rhetoric actually applies to the topic of which we're discussing.

Originally posted by: AckmedIn short, as I said in my first post, what ATi is being rumored to do, is not a "paper launch".

Incorrect. It is a paper-launch, whether you want to acknowledge it or not.

 

[Nelsieus]

Originally posted by: Creig
ATI is being completely open and up front about their official launch date and projected availability. There's just no pleasing some people.

Killing someone and then admitting you did it does not exonerate you from your crime.

(Obviously that's not even on the same level as this, but the concept is similiar).

And if you noticed, nobody got upset when ATI launched the card back in July. Nobody got upset when they set the launch date for Aug. 23. So I think it's very unfair to say people are being too harsh on ATI.

And if you can acknowledge that Aug. 23 is the official launch (as everyone else does), then what is it called when products aren't available? If it's not a paper-launch, and certainly not a hard-launch, what are we calling it? A delayed-launch? A double launch? A pretend launch? We need a name.

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: Nelsieus

Originally posted by: Ackmed
That shows that you cant comprehend very well. Where did I say the 7800GTX 512MB was paper launched?

It was in response to Ronn's claim, hence why I replied / quoted it. Do not attack my level of comprehension to this thread when you yourself blatantly mis-read who is responding to whom.

Originally posted by: AckmedDigging a deeper hole.. ? Heh. the following is hypothetical Lets say NV's next card is due out for sale on Oct 28th. Then lets say they get review samples to reviewers a few weeks early. And are allowed to post reviews of the card, 2 weeks before the scheduled launch of the cards. Are you really telling me you wouldnt want to know 2 weeks earlier, how the cards do? You would rather wait till Oct 28th to find out any information about it? I wouldnt. The sooner I ge the information, the better to me. In fact, I would rather have reviews out as soon as they can get stable reviewable cards out, so I can plan ahead.

Definately. But then when Oct. 28 comes, and nVidia says "oops, availability really won't be here until the middle of Dec..." That's when I start having issues, as is the case in this situation.

So nice try in your spinning attempt, but if you're going to try to make a point, atleast make sure your theoretical rhetoric actually applies to the topic of which we're discussing.

Originally posted by: AckmedIn short, as I said in my first post, what ATi is being rumored to do, is not a "paper launch".

Incorrect. It is a paper-launch, whether you want to acknowledge it or not.

You also had me quoted, and said "you and Ackmed". Sure seems like you were talking to me. You need to make it more clear who you're talking to, when you have several peoples names in one post. Seems simple enough to me.

Its not an attemps at a spin, you can put any companies name in there. It was a question, one you avoided. Why wouldnt you want the information a few weeks before cards were released? If a company has a set date, that they think they will have enough cards to meet demand, and allows reviews to be out a few weeks earlier than that, you wouldnt want that? I cant understand that thinking. The earlier the info, the better to me.

Nope, not to me its not. It is, if they set a date for the cards to be available, and that date is not kept. Having reviews, or "previews" out, before the launch of a product, is not a launch. A launch is when the product is supposed to be available.

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: Ackmed

3. ATi then changed their "release" date until Sept 14th, because they believe by that time they will have enough cards to not have a shortage of cards. Reviews would be allowed, but cards would be held until Sept 14th.

Yup. Paper Launch.

If it's not a big deal, why are you getting so upset about it? Just skip this thread and move on.

Obviously ATI is not going to say "PAPER LAUNCH INCOMING". They will say it was a delay or planets were out of alignment or some other such spin.

Im not upset, why would I be? As Ive said before, Ive never been upset from some forum. Speaking of being upset... Why dont you respond to the thread that you lied in?

Of course if it was NV who had reviews out a few weeks before cards were available, all would be ok with you, and the other NV fans.

Its not a paper launch, if they set a date for the hardware to be out, and its out on that date. Simple as that.

 

[Keysplayr]

What a bunch of meaningless crap this thread is. So the card will be a few weeks late. SO WHAT!!! Not the end of the world although some think it is. Holy Cr@p. Each side with their own little nitpicks and stabs. Grow up people.

 

[M0RPH]

Originally posted by: Nelsieus

And if you can acknowledge that Aug. 23 is the official launch (as everyone else does), then what is it called when products aren't available? If it's not a paper-launch, and certainly not a hard-launch, what are we calling it? A delayed-launch? A double launch? A pretend launch? We need a name.

I call it a new product announcement. I doubt ATi calls it a "launch" anywhere.

Anyway, life's too short to worry about silly things like this.

 

[ShadowOfMyself]

Its not a paper launch, if they set a date for the hardware to be out, and its out on that date. Simple as that.

This about sums it up...

Paper launch = card is supposed to be available day x month x, and its nowhere to be found

(7800 GTX 512, X850XT PE, AMD X2 5000+ etc come to mind)

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
What a bunch of meaningless crap this thread is. So the card will be a few weeks late. SO WHAT!!! Not the end of the world although some think it is. Holy Cr@p. Each side with their own little nitpicks and stabs. Grow up people.

:thumbsup:

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Im not upset, why would I be?

Because you keep stomping up and down and crying that everyone but you is wrong.

The OP asked "Am I the only one annoyed by this?" Clearly some people are and it's their right to be. Not everyone sees the world through your "ruby" colored glasses. You are only trying to derail the thread.

Go have a beer or something and relax, the stress will get to you.