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Am I pushing my psu too much?

Deasnutz

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750w

Intel 4930k @ 4.5
Pny gtx 780 sli
P9x79 pro
2x ssd
4 fans

Thinking about adding another 780.

Thanks, just looking to reap experiences if possible.
 

philipma1957

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750w

Intel 4930k @ 4.5
Pny gtx 780 sli
P9x79 pro
2x ssd
4 fans

Thinking about adding another 780.

Thanks, just looking to reap experiences if possible.

maybe. a lot depends on the psu. your cpu will pull 90 plus watts. at 4.5 gh an oc'd 780 pulls more then 250 based on this chart.

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2013/05/23/nvidia_geforce_gtx_780_video_card_review/8#.UlyITBa9UqY

it would max at 351-67 = 284 watts second card maxes another 284 watts... so that is 568 on a max your cpu cranked will do more then 110 watts so that is 678 watts. then your 2x ssd's 4 fans and ram sticks and a few usb plugs used and you can go over on a 750 watt cpu. but only if you have the pedal to the metal so to speak.


I did lots of bitcoin at 600 watts 24/7/365 on 750 watt psu's with 0 issues..

your use is different in that you can trip the psu into overload with everything oc'd to the max. now if you run the cpu at 4.3 and don't max out the 2x gpus a good 750 watter would work fine.
 
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Deders

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what exact model PSU are you using? you'll have less trouble if it has a single 12v rail.
 

lehtv

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what exact model PSU are you using? you'll have less trouble if it has a single 12v rail.

No, the number of rails is irrelevant unless you're stealing power for PCIe plugs via peripheral to PCIe adapters
 

Blain

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750w

Intel 4930k @ 4.5
Pny gtx 780 sli
P9x79 pro
2x ssd
4 fans
* How old is the 750 PS?
* Has it been behind a quality UPS the whole time you've used it?
* Was it a high quality PS when you bought it or was it a cheaper brand?
* "4 fans" doesn't tell us much at all. What sizes are the fans or model numbers?
* Are the components you have listed the only ones running off the PS?

:colbert: The more detailed information you give US, the more we can help YOU.
 
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Deders

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No, the number of rails is irrelevant unless you're stealing power for PCIe plugs via peripheral to PCIe adapters

Actually it's very relevant. The PCIe slots themselves can supply up to 75w each which is drawn from the same rail that powers the motherboard. The op has indicated that he already has 2 in SLI so a third would mean that potentially 18.75A could be pulled from the same rail that needs to power the motherboard an peripherals if a third was added.

Even having 25A on the first 12v rail might be pushing it, A single rail would be the best solution.
 

BFG10K

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Even having 25A on the first 12v rail might be pushing it,
How so? The OCP trip-point for quality multi-rail 750W units is typically over 50A. So unless the motherboard's rail is powering 600W+ all by itself, it's not going to be an issue.

A single rail would be the best solution.
If the motherboard's rail is trying to pull 600W+ all by itself, that's exactly where OCP will save you because it probably means there's a short somewhere. In contrast, a single rail PSU might keep supplying power until something gets fried.
 
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Deders

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How so? The OCP trip-point for quality multi-rail 750W units is typically over 50A. So unless the motherboard's rail is powering 600W+ all by itself, it's not going to be an issue.


If the motherboard's rail is trying to pull 600W+ all by itself, that's exactly where OCP will save you because it probably means there's a short somewhere. In contrast, a single rail PSU might keep supplying power until something gets fried.

I think you are missing my point, most high quality rails are limited to either 18A, 22A or maybe 25A. Lets do the math:

(75/12)x3=18.75A (potentially)

That is purely for 3 graphics cards, it also has to power the motherboard and and drives that are powered on the same rail.

It leaves very little room for the motherboard and any drives that also need 12v to run.

I know that not all graphics cards will draw the full 75w from PCIe but unless you can measure it for youself it is definitely something that needs to be considered otherwise you might end up with the computer shuting down when playing games. Different cards vary greatly.

I read an artical a few years ago where they measured the 12v demand from about 35 graphics cards (pre Fermi) and found that running Furmark the actual draw varied very differently. One card that stuck out was the 8800GT which actually drew 88W from the PCIe slot (above 75w spec).

I highly doubt that the 600W figures you say would come into play as most 18/22/25W railed PSU's will shut down before they get to 50W on a single rail (600/12=50) otherwise what is the protection there for?

This is why only certain PSU's are rated for SLI and other are certified for tri SLI. I realise they can't rate every PSU but I understand why only some can handle it.

A single 12v rail would be far less complicated when running Tri SLI as it wouldn't be as limited to either:

18A (216W@12v) too little to run Tri Sli.
22A (264W@12v) leaving 39W for the rest of the motherboard and drives
25A (300W@12v) leaving 75W for the rest of the motherboard and drives which might actually be possible but still pushing the rail close to the limits when stressed.

It's probably a case of trial and error but if is does shut down whilst gaming it doesn't mean that 750W isn't enough, just that the power needs to be distributed correctly.

I am usually very suprised when the graphics PCIe rails are rated for much more than the Motherboard and CPU rails due to PCIe slots potentially drawing more power than the graphics cards ever will.

Only 2x 8 pin PCIe connectors can potentially consume 300W by themselves.
 
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BFG10K

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I think you are missing my point, most high quality rails are limited to either 18A, 22A or maybe 25A. Lets do the math:
Eh? What quality (and recent) 750W units have you seen with 18A/22A? Can you link specs for them?
That is purely for 3 graphics cards, it also has to power the motherboard and and drives that are powered on the same rail.
Drive load is not only insignificant, but it's also shared with the minor rails.
Also 750W units with 25A usually have 4 rails (as opposed to 2), in which case you'll find their CPU connector is on a separate rail to the 24pin motherboard connector, so the load doesn't count towards the motherboard:
Additionally, in most cases the actual OCP trip point is much higher than the rail's rating, anyway:
The fact is, unless he has a crap PSU, any real failure will be caused by the unit being underpowered for 3 GPUs to begin with, not from multiple rails.
 
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lucky9

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Part of it is having the correct number of connectors and the correct form factor of plugs. I wouldn't argue with your power conclusions.