Am i a complete idiot if i buy an expedition?

BudAshes

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Me and my girlfriend are thinking of buying an expedition because we want to take it snowboarding and have a convenient car to tote our big dogs around in. The gas mileage is awful, i know. But they are seriously ridiculously cheap to buy. I can find lots of 99-01 expeditions with reasonable mileage and 4x4 for under 6 grand. No other 4x4 is that cheap unless they are complete crap.

So, essentially I save a few grand on the sale price and then spend it on gas driving the big v8 to Tahoe. Seems like a decent trade off, but maybe I am missing something here.
 

angry hampster

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You're exactly right. The market is very ripe, and the trade-off is easy to see. You pay substantially less in the beginning, and then pay more at the pump.

Expeditions are great trucks. That was a solid generation for Ford's 1/2-ton.
 

Kadarin

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If it's something that you will make use of enough to justify the expense, then go for it. If you're going to mostly use it to go to the grocery store and/or to work, then you might want to consider something more fuel efficient.
 

Vette73

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Look for a GMC/Chevy Tahoe. They get a little better gas milage.

Also how often would you use it? Would it be cheaper to just rent a large SUV/Van when needed then have to buy one and insure, maintain, and gas it???
 

Zenmervolt

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Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Look for a GMC/Chevy Tahoe. They get a little better gas milage.

Also how often would you use it? Would it be cheaper to just rent a large SUV/Van when needed then have to buy one and insure, maintain, and gas it???

That's a good alternative. There are downsides to renting (have to plan in advance, rental place may not have cars available, may have to go out of your way to get to the rental place, etc), but those tradeoffs may be worth saving money, it all depends on the individual's estimation of value.

I do have to agree with you on this. Unless they're going to use the truck a lot, they can save a lot of money by just renting a 4WD truck when they want to go skiing.

ZV
 

thecoolnessrune

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Me and my bro bought an 04 Expedition back in 07 for 22 grand before the price plummet. Our timing was bad, but we still love our SUV, even if the gas mileage is horrid on it.

EDIT: I'll ask my bro to chime in here. He's an expert on expeditions and can give recommendations on what ot look for and avoid in those model years. Some of the older ones had little "kinks" that really made them bad. (Like the early Navigators with airbag suspensions).
 

heymrdj

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Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune
Me and my bro bought an 04 Expedition back in 07 for 22 grand before the price plummet. Our timing was bad, but we still love our SUV, even if the gas mileage is horrid on it.

EDIT: I'll ask my bro to chime in here. He's an expert on expeditions and can give recommendations on what ot look for and avoid in those model years. Some of the older ones had little "kinks" that really made them bad. (Like the early Navigators with airbag suspensions).

2001 was a solid year for the Expedition. Their 4x4 systems are extremely robust. One of the major things to check for is the motor. First of all don't buy a 4.6L, you might gain .5mpg, but the engines had to work like dogs to move the big truck, the 5.4L will move it more efficiently and in hilly areas will actually save you on gas.

Don't buy one with an airbag suspension system unless you're good at maintenance. The bags deteriorate and normally the whole system has to be repaired. A full air bag system (compressor, relays, springs, and sensors) typically runs 1-1.5k. Though it can't be denied a well employed air system on these things for both 4x4 and grocery getter use is king over just having springs under it.

The V8 modular motors used by Ford had issues with the heads. The heads had only 4 threads in the spark plug holes instead of 8. This can cause the plug to back out, lose seal, and blow out of the head. This destroys the heads, and repairs will run excess of 2500$. While this problem is rare, it is tangible, and we'll typically have 1 user every two months or so at the Ford Truck Enthusiast forum come in with the problem.

When finding one, look for an Expedition that actually had it's 4x4 system periodically used. As my dad found out recently with his Bronco, the systems lock up with no use as they don't get lubricated or unrusted. You should engage your system once per month for some short use off of asphalt to keep it in good working order. If the previous owner didn't use the 4x4 or AWD parts, they most likely will have rusted shut, and you'll have to have the shift motor replaced, which is a 100$ part with 400$ of labor. Make sure the seller lets you get out and test that all these parts work.

Watching these trucks for the last few years, I would say their best year was the 05/06 models. Of course these, especially the Eddie Bauers, are quite expensive. But that's what I would go for.

Just my .02cents.

PS: to those that complain about gas with these things. Highway cruising does fine. If you have any decent amount of money you won't feel the hurt unless your always in the city. I could get 520miles from a tank of gas going 72mph on the interstate. I filled up only two times going from my house to my girlfriend in Indiana, a 932 mile trip, on two tanks of gas, and still had a a little less than a quarter tank left when I got there. Mind you the older generation (02 and back) did not get as hot a mileage. The Flowmaster 50 exhaust we put on our 04 increased our highway mileage and only slightly decreased our city mileage.
 

lurk3r

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Yes, there are way better choices than this 9 mpg canyanaro. Noone needs this rolling monstrocity. Seriously, there are plenty of cherokees, trailblazers etc. If there's only 2 of you and a couple dogs look at pulling the back seat out of a wrangler.
 

heymrdj

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Originally posted by: lurk3r
Yes, there are way better choices than this 9 mpg canyanaro. Noone needs this rolling monstrocity. Seriously, there are plenty of cherokees, trailblazers etc. If there's only 2 of you and a couple dogs look at pulling the back seat out of a wrangler.

Your post is full of fail. Have you ever even driven one? They are certainly not monstrocities, in fact i find them fairly car like in handling. Having two family members that own cherokees, and having looked at the Trailblazer when looking at our Expedition, I can say those two vehicles are cramped little s!ts. They don't have near the capabilities of the Expedition, except the cherokee handles offroad better because of the shorter wheelbase.
 

StageLeft

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Do it now. Gas was unusually high and people are still smarting from it. Take advantage of it, quick. I had thought of an SUV but I just don't need one.
 

krunchykrome

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Well, if you're planning on purchasing an SUV, now is the time to do it. Ford Explorers, Expeditiions, they're all dirt cheap.
 

Arkaign

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It's a good choice. The urban pimp movement has largely ignored the Expedition and focused on Escalades, Tahoes, etc, so the normal demand for the Expedition crowd has come from suburban families, and that market has moved away from SUV's due to the fuel crunch, leaving no buyers for these things. They're pretty good vehicles, at least as good as the GM vehicles that compete with it, and a bargain at current pricing. Remember, they sometimes pushed north of $40k from the lot, and to see these things so cheap is pretty cool really.

I do recommend finding or keeping a 2nd vehicle though, one that gets ~30mpg combined for your daily grind. Whichever motor you end up with, it's going to be a monster on gas. Highway isn't that bad really, but city driving, depending on how much stop/go, and how heavy your foot is, it's pretty easy to see low teens. Definitely not easy on the wallet if you do lots of city driving.
 

lurk3r

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Originally posted by: heymrdj
Originally posted by: lurk3r
Yes, there are way better choices than this 9 mpg canyanaro. Noone needs this rolling monstrocity. Seriously, there are plenty of cherokees, trailblazers etc. If there's only 2 of you and a couple dogs look at pulling the back seat out of a wrangler.

Your post is full of fail. Have you ever even driven one? They are certainly not monstrocities, in fact i find them fairly car like in handling. Having two family members that own cherokees, and having looked at the Trailblazer when looking at our Expedition, I can say those two vehicles are cramped little s!ts. They don't have near the capabilities of the Expedition, except the cherokee handles offroad better because of the shorter wheelbase.

Yes I have driven one, and I get nearly killed by some jackass driving one at least twice a week. The visibility is horrible, and it seems as if the people that drive them are dumber by several factors than any other SUV. It may be intelligence, or it could be horrible vehicle design, but the no look, no indicate lane swerves are much more common in this car than just about any other.
 

Throckmorton

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You can get a Jeep for cheaper probably. An XJ or WJ can get 20mpg.


GM SUVs seem to get better gas mileage than the Fords too
 

thomsbrain

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If you are going to go all the time (like you or your family owns a ski cabin), then I could see this. Otherwise, you'll save a lot of money by just renting one the few times you go each year. You'd presumably be booking hotel rooms anyway, so adding another thing to the planning list wouldn't be too hard.
 

BudAshes

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We already have a saturn that we will be keeping that gets 35 mpg. So i won't be commuting in this thing. I just want to make sure expeditions aren't complete crap if you buy a used one.

I am curious whether a chevy tahoe actually gets better mileage than an expedition. I found out a suburban is actually 2 feet longer than an expedition. That is huge.
 

Arkaign

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Originally posted by: BudAshes
We already have a saturn that we will be keeping that gets 35 mpg. So i won't be commuting in this thing. I just want to make sure expeditions aren't complete crap if you buy a used one.

I am curious whether a chevy tahoe actually gets better mileage than an expedition. I found out a suburban is actually 2 feet longer than an expedition. That is huge.

Yeah.

Expedition is more of a Tahoe-sized vehicle.

Excursion was the Suburban competitor.
 

Chunkee

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please buy the huge gas hog vehicle for your infrequent usage. you will save our economy and Ford can be back in black.

jC
 

Pacfanweb

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Originally posted by: BudAshes
We already have a saturn that we will be keeping that gets 35 mpg. So i won't be commuting in this thing. I just want to make sure expeditions aren't complete crap if you buy a used one.

I am curious whether a chevy tahoe actually gets better mileage than an expedition. I found out a suburban is actually 2 feet longer than an expedition. That is huge.
Not only does the Tahoe get better mileage than the Expedition, the Suburban does, too.

I have a 99 Tahoe and an 04 Suburban.

I worked at a Ford dealer for almost 17 years. I never had ANYONE claim over 15mpg with an Expedition....11-14 was the norm.

I use my Suburban for my job, which is mobile...city and highway. Gets over 16mpg. Z71 with 3.73 gears, 5.3 liter. 90k miles.

Had to do a job for a dealership 2hrs away a few weeks ago...it got 18.8 for that trip.

Tahoe gets about the same numbers except highway...it'll barely tap 18 if you baby it, but more like 17.5 on the highway....but it has 130k on it now. Also has a Z71 option, 3.42 gears with a 5.7 liter. Has a much heavier transmission, though, which is probably the difference in mileage.
Tahoe has the 4L80E, which is basically the old Turbo 400 with an electronic valve body and overdrive. Big, heavy unit.
Sub has the 4L60, which is a beefed 700R4.

 

thomsbrain

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Originally posted by: BudAshes
We already have a saturn that we will be keeping that gets 35 mpg. So i won't be commuting in this thing. I just want to make sure expeditions aren't complete crap if you buy a used one.
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Yeah, but you're still going to have insurance, registration, time-based maintenance (oil changes, belts, hoses, etc), and depreciation to deal with, even if you never drive it at all.
 

ElFenix

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Originally posted by: Arkaign

Yeah.

Expedition is more of a Tahoe-sized vehicle.

Excursion was the Suburban competitor.

iirc they were more indirect competitors, that is, the tahoe was the smallest, then the expedition a little bigger than that (ford claimed when it came out it was the biggest SUV that could fit in a standard garage), then the suburban was a bit bigger (much longer but not as tall, i think). and then there was the excursion.
 

zerocool84

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Don't listen to all the gas nuts, this is a perfect time to buy an SUV. If you can afford it, get it. It's not like you're ganna drive it every day. I say buy it.