Although we haven't yet necessarily found the BIG smoking gun, I think Bush and co. have definately shown credibility...

[BamBam215]

Think about it. Remember that "target of opportunity?" Think about all the intelligence we had been able to gather from interceptions and spies from within Saddam's own regime. Think about the latest intelligence that allowed us to possibly have killed Saddam and his two sons if they weren't killed before. The government knows A LOT more than we can comprehend. Doesn't that make it easier for you to believe what Bush and company stated months ago that they have the inside info that Saddam is in fact doing all those things that they accused him of? Or do you still need to see the weapons in person, sniff the fumes, and watch Saddam kill someone first hand in order for you to finally accept you were wrong?

 

[Corn]

No evidence brought to light today or hereafter will matter to most of the tools who believe Saddam to be victimized by the US. They are already convinced that if Iraq had them, they would have used them and will simply dismiss any discovery as tainted evidence.

Don't waste your breath.

 

[her209]

Since our intelligence is so good, we must have figured out if Saddam was killed already or not.

 

[oLLie]

Ok here is what I propose. Someone or some group of AT'ers have to collect all the names of all the people (on AT of course) who are pro-war and all those who are anti-war so that when this whole thing is over and we know either way whether there were any WMD or chemical weapons, everyone from one group will get to ridicule everyone from the other group for life. Heh... I know this is a serious day and age, just thought maybe we could all take a little step back and chuckle or something.

 

[apoppin]

Some analysts believe it is a "cat and rat" game . . . Saddam is a dangerous rat when cornered.

He IS cornered and the fighting in Baghdad is now considered "urban warfare" - what we did NOT want to happen.

From this perspective, it is "possible" that Saddam made the "phone call" himself to bring destruction on a residential Baghdad neighborhood - and the resulting "bad press" for the Americans - while he hightailed it out of there.

He may be wanting to "lure" US soldiers into Baghdad in FULL force to unleash all the WMDs he has on his civilian population.

Of course that is the "worst case scenario" and the counterpoint to yours.

 

[oLLie]

Originally posted by: oLLie
Ok here is what I propose. Someone or some group of AT'ers have to collect all the names of all the people (on AT of course) who are pro-war and all those who are anti-war so that when this whole thing is over and we know either way whether there were any WMD or chemical weapons, everyone from one group will get to ridicule everyone from the other group for life. Heh... I know this is a serious day and age, just thought maybe we could all take a little step back and chuckle or something.

Anybody making the list?

 

[Tab]

I am pro-war

 

[numark]

People lie. People tell you what you want to hear. It's human nature. I'm not saying these sources that tell us Iraq has WMD are lying, but to automatically assume they're telling the truth is not exactly the smartest thing to think. When you've got an offer on the table of cooperation with America, you might be willing to say a little more than the truth to get our favor. People told us Saddam was in that building. Now opposition leaders are saying they have evidence that Saddam fled the area and is hiding in the north. Who knows whether WMD is in Iraq? It just seems odd to me that after taking over more than half of the country we still don't have any evidence of the weapons. Will we ever find any? I don't know, but so far there's been no proof.

 

[Piano Man]

No matter what happens with the war, it still doesn't change the fact that Bush struck preemptively against Iraq while a massive majority of the wolrd opposed it. This is a first, and is very important to remember. Christ, we might actually do the people in Iraq a great justice, although I'll believe it when I see it, but that still might not matter because of the formentioned.

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: Piano Man
No matter what happens with the war, it still doesn't change the fact that Bush struck preemptively against Iraq while a massive majority of the wolrd opposed it. This is a first, and is very important to remember. Christ, we might actually do the people in Iraq a great justice, although I'll believe it when I see it, but that still might not matter because of the formentioned.

Bush doesn't answer to the rest of the world, he answers to the American people and anyway you want to spin, the majority of American people wanted this.

 

[AAjax]

Originally posted by: Piano Man
No matter what happens with the war, it still doesn't change the fact that Bush struck preemptively against Iraq while a massive majority of the wolrd opposed it. This is a first, and is very important to remember. Christ, we might actually do the people in Iraq a great justice, although I'll believe it when I see it, but that still might not matter because of the formentioned.

Then I propose the motto going forward be "For Great Justice!"

 

[Piano Man]

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: Piano Man
No matter what happens with the war, it still doesn't change the fact that Bush struck preemptively against Iraq while a massive majority of the wolrd opposed it. This is a first, and is very important to remember. Christ, we might actually do the people in Iraq a great justice, although I'll believe it when I see it, but that still might not matter because of the formentioned.

Bush doesn't answer to the rest of the world, he answers to the American people and anyway you want to spin, the majority of American people wanted this.

So you are saying the majority of the world doesn't matter? That somehow the people here in America count more than the rest, because that is certainly what you are saying with that comment.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: Piano Man
No matter what happens with the war, it still doesn't change the fact that Bush struck preemptively against Iraq while a massive majority of the wolrd opposed it. This is a first, and is very important to remember. Christ, we might actually do the people in Iraq a great justice, although I'll believe it when I see it, but that still might not matter because of the formentioned.

Bush doesn't answer to the rest of the world, he answers to the American people and anyway you want to spin, the majority of American people wanted this.

Though true, the American people only went along with it due to the insistence by Bush of the WMD and the potential of an attack from Iraq. The people didn't force the issue, Bush did. That said, history is filled with the cadavers of nations who had the support of their people, but not the support of the world.

 

[Yax]

Originally posted by: CPA


Bush doesn't answer to the rest of the world, he answers to the American people and anyway you want to spin, the majority of American people wanted this.

He hasn't answered to me, maybe he'll answer to you as you claimed. Now are you saying I'm not an American? What makes you an American and not me?

My point, he answers to no one. We all answer to him since he's the fearless leader.

 

[flavio]

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: Piano Man
No matter what happens with the war, it still doesn't change the fact that Bush struck preemptively against Iraq while a massive majority of the wolrd opposed it. This is a first, and is very important to remember. Christ, we might actually do the people in Iraq a great justice, although I'll believe it when I see it, but that still might not matter because of the formentioned.

Bush doesn't answer to the rest of the world, he answers to the American people and anyway you want to spin, the majority of American people wanted this.

That's actually not true. The majority of Americans did not want us to invade unless we had UN support. We never got UN support.

Shrubby invaded anyway and once it had already started more people tried to be supportive.

 

[Thraxen]

I think today's events quite clearly show we were just in doing this. You pretty much have to be blinded by ignorance to not see it now.

 

[MacBaine]

Originally posted by: Thraxen
I think today's events quite clearly show we were just in doing this. You pretty much have to be blinded by ignorance to not see it now.

You pretty much defined an anti-war protester right there

 

[fwtong]

If he's listening to me, I don't want to pay a dime for this war, er, I mean police action. Furthermore, since he wanted it so badly, he should pay for my share of the war effort.