Although I dislike most GMs...

[Quixfire]

After the GTO sells enough to warranty the return of the icon.

 

[vi edit]

Originally posted by: Ornery
There's a market for something that will really perform, whether it's $20,000, or $40,000. When is the Firebird and Camaro coming back?

If there's a market for something that performs, then why did the Mustang outsell the fbodies 2-1?

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: vi_edit

Originally posted by: Ornery
There's a market for something that will really perform, whether it's $20,000, or $40,000. When is the Firebird and Camaro coming back?

If there's a market for something that performs, then why did the Mustang outsell the fbodies 2-1?

The Mustang was cheaper for one.

 

[RagingBITCH]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: vi_edit

Originally posted by: Ornery
There's a market for something that will really perform, whether it's $20,000, or $40,000. When is the Firebird and Camaro coming back?

If there's a market for something that performs, then why did the Mustang outsell the fbodies 2-1?

The Mustang was cheaper for one.

What are you talking about? V6 models were priced the same. MSRP for both cars was about $17,095. V6 models made up the majority of sales for both the F-body and the Mustang. The Mustang GT cost the same as the Z28/Trans-Am, and performed well under what the F-Body did. The Cobra cost the same if not more than the Z28 SS/WS6, and performed relatively the same. Try again.

 

[K1052]

What are you talking about? V6 models were priced the same. MSRP for both cars was about $17,095. V6 models made up the majority of sales for both the F-body and the Mustang. The Mustang GT cost the same as the Z28/Trans-Am, and performed well under what the F-Body did. The Cobra cost the same if not more than the Z28 SS/WS6, and performed relatively the same. Try again.

IIRC the base price on the Mustang V6 was about $600 or $700 less than either F-body.
Also, IIRC the Mustang was available in convertable form for far less.

The GT and Z28/Trans-Am were basically equal in price, I do not debate that.
Value is solidly on the F-Body side in terms of engine and handling for these cars.

The Cobra was aroung $30K, while the SS/WS6 package brought the Z28/WS6 up about $4,000 from about $21,000.

My comment was about the majority of each car you see on the street: the base V6.

 

One of the major ergonomic problems with the F bodies, the dash was too big and you are sitting on the pavement, the Mustang on the other hand was more of an upright seating position, I remember Car & Driver moaning about it when they tested them side by side.

 

[K1052]

Also, the desperate need to install subframe connecters on the unibody.

 

[Ornery]

Exactly how 'poor' were their sales? Just because Ford sold more, doesn't mean there wasn't a market. A person in the market for a pony car bought one or the other. They both 'performed' well, though the GMs were faster.

If a mid-size coupe could perform as well as either of them, it too would have a market. How many would they have to sell to make it worthwhile?

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Ornery
Exactly how 'poor' were their sales? Just because Ford sold more, doesn't mean there wasn't a market. A person in the market for a pony car bought one or the other. They both 'performed' well, though the GMs were faster.

If a mid-size coupe could perform as well as either of them, it too would have a market. How many would they have to sell to make it worthwhile?

Last I can remember It was about 200K to 70K units.
Anyone correct me if I am wrong.

 

[Quixfire]

The main reason GM discontinued the F-body was because of it's stand alone platform. GM has been moving towards a unified platform for all of it cars and light trucks and the F-body was just the last victim of management.

The corvette has been exempt from this course of action.