Alternative view on Hamas win

[Sultan]

With all the recent donors backing out, and Israel refusing to take part in negotiations with a DEMOCRATICALLY elected government, held under Israel occupation, I would like to conjure up a conspiracy theory.

This is the best opportunity for Israel to declare stalemate and/or stop negotiations and continue with the annexation of terrorities. With funding gone, the Palestinian government, whatever there is of it, would simple cease to operate sending the Palestinians into further despair.

Discuss.

 

[Genx87]

Being democratically elected doesnt automatically make you one of the good guys. Their inability to commit to stopping the violence and renoucing their intentions to wipe Israel off the face of the earth means nobody wants to deal with them.

They wanted the power, they have it, now they need to learn how to become effective leaders.

I dont think Israel has ever in the past required such a lavish plan to do what it wants. if it wanted the palastinians off the land tomorrow they would simply bulldoze the entire area and push the people off through force.

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: Sultan
With all the recent donors backing out, and Israel refusing to take part in negotiations with a DEMOCRATICALLY elected government, held under Israel occupation, I would like to conjure up a conspiracy theory.

/thread

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: Genx87
Being democratically elected doesnt automatically make you one of the good guys. Their inability to commit to stopping the violence and renoucing their intentions to wipe Israel off the face of the earth means nobody wants to deal with them.

They wanted the power, they have it, now they need to learn how to become effective leaders.

I dont think Israel has ever in the past required such a lavish plan to do what it wants. if it wanted the palastinians off the land tomorrow they would simply bulldoze the entire area and push the people off through force.

Sounds very much like the current US Administration and the whole Axis of Evil/Regime change rhetoric

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: Genx87
Being democratically elected doesnt automatically make you one of the good guys. Their inability to commit to stopping the violence and renoucing their intentions to wipe Israel off the face of the earth means nobody wants to deal with them.

They wanted the power, they have it, now they need to learn how to become effective leaders.

I dont think Israel has ever in the past required such a lavish plan to do what it wants. if it wanted the palastinians off the land tomorrow they would simply bulldoze the entire area and push the people off through force.

Sounds very much like the current US Administration and the whole Axis of Evil/Regime change rhetoric

Except we dont send people into bus's full of children and have them self detonate, then make them into a national hero.

hamas is a terrorist organization and until they decide to grow out of that mold and into something productive, they will continue to get a cold shoulder from Israel and the world community.

 

[bamacre]

Weren't you banned for saying Hitler should have finished his job?

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: Genx87
Being democratically elected doesnt automatically make you one of the good guys. Their inability to commit to stopping the violence and renoucing their intentions to wipe Israel off the face of the earth means nobody wants to deal with them.

They wanted the power, they have it, now they need to learn how to become effective leaders.

I dont think Israel has ever in the past required such a lavish plan to do what it wants. if it wanted the palastinians off the land tomorrow they would simply bulldoze the entire area and push the people off through force.

Sounds very much like the current US Administration and the whole Axis of Evil/Regime change rhetoric

Except we dont send people into bus's full of children and have them self detonate, then make them into a national hero.

hamas is a terrorist organization and until they decide to grow out of that mold and into something productive, they will continue to get a cold shoulder from Israel and the world community.

No, we just dream up of more painful, creative things. We put sleeping bags around head and sit on their chests. Shoot unarmed people in the back of their heads; but hey, thats much, much better than blowing up buses?. How about Ms. Lyndie and company?

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: bamacre
Weren't you banned for saying Hitler should have finished his job?

That was a joke, which unfortunately some on AT didnt find funny. My apologies if it hurt your sentiments. It was honestly said in jest, and in response to the context of the thread which was rife with comments about the Holocaust. It is understandable that historically that was a very horrific incident but constantly attempting to evoke sympathy or justifying actions using that reference is just pathetic.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: Genx87
Being democratically elected doesnt automatically make you one of the good guys. Their inability to commit to stopping the violence and renoucing their intentions to wipe Israel off the face of the earth means nobody wants to deal with them.

They wanted the power, they have it, now they need to learn how to become effective leaders.

I dont think Israel has ever in the past required such a lavish plan to do what it wants. if it wanted the palastinians off the land tomorrow they would simply bulldoze the entire area and push the people off through force.

Sounds very much like the current US Administration and the whole Axis of Evil/Regime change rhetoric

Except we dont send people into bus's full of children and have them self detonate, then make them into a national hero.

hamas is a terrorist organization and until they decide to grow out of that mold and into something productive, they will continue to get a cold shoulder from Israel and the world community.

No, we just dream up of more painful, creative things. We put sleeping bags around head and sit on their chests. Shoot unarmed people in the back of their heads; but hey, thats much, much better than blowing up buses?. How about Ms. Lyndie and company?

Not the official policy of the United States, sorry.
Anytime you want to growup and actually debate the topic you started feel free. This is supposed to be about Hamas, not the United States? Remember?

 

[ntdz]

Israel is the one in total control letting Palestine exist in the first place, so I doubt they want Palestine to cease to operate, they want peace. Having Hamas in power is a serious undermine to peace. However, if Hamas turns legit it could be a major turning point and a positive step towards peace, so who really knows.

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: Genx87
Being democratically elected doesnt automatically make you one of the good guys. Their inability to commit to stopping the violence and renoucing their intentions to wipe Israel off the face of the earth means nobody wants to deal with them.

They wanted the power, they have it, now they need to learn how to become effective leaders.

I dont think Israel has ever in the past required such a lavish plan to do what it wants. if it wanted the palastinians off the land tomorrow they would simply bulldoze the entire area and push the people off through force.

Sounds very much like the current US Administration and the whole Axis of Evil/Regime change rhetoric

Except we dont send people into bus's full of children and have them self detonate, then make them into a national hero.

hamas is a terrorist organization and until they decide to grow out of that mold and into something productive, they will continue to get a cold shoulder from Israel and the world community.

No, we just dream up of more painful, creative things. We put sleeping bags around head and sit on their chests. Shoot unarmed people in the back of their heads; but hey, thats much, much better than blowing up buses?. How about Ms. Lyndie and company?

Not the official policy of the United States, sorry.
Anytime you want to growup and actually debate the topic you started feel free. This is supposed to be about Hamas, not the United States? Remember?

There's nothing official or unofficial about murder son.
This topic was about considering Israel's gain in Hamas' victory, not about Hamas. :roll:

 

[CanOWorms]

My conspiracy theory is that the conditions that allowed Hamas to win were designed by Arab/Muslim governments. If the Israel-Palestine issue were resolved, local populations would start looking at the problems at home instead of being obsessed about a situation that doesn't really concern them. They need an element of Israeli-Palestinian conflict in order to maintain their governments and policies.

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
My conspiracy theory is that the conditions that allowed Hamas to win were designed by Arab/Muslim governments. If the Israel-Palestine issue were resolved, local populations would start looking at the problems at home instead of being obsessed about a situation that doesn't really concern them. They need an element of Israeli-Palestinian conflict in order to maintain their governments and policies.

ooooooooo
interesting comment.
I'd buy that.
which arab country do you think played the lead part? Syria?

 

[Meuge]

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: Meuge
One of the greatest freedoms a man can have, is to disrespect another man, without intent of harm. This freedom outlines the division between tolerance and acceptance.

Since you're not interested in tolerance, and would clearly see the world obey the rules of your religion, I propose that you should sterilize yourself, for the good of the human gene pool.

Thanks in advance.

One of the greatest freedom a man can have? LOL. You are an item.
Dont worry, you too will bow to the true religion. And your children, and their children, and so on.
Thanks in advance for reverting

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
My conspiracy theory is that the conditions that allowed Hamas to win were designed by Arab/Muslim governments. If the Israel-Palestine issue were resolved, local populations would start looking at the problems at home instead of being obsessed about a situation that doesn't really concern them. They need an element of Israeli-Palestinian conflict in order to maintain their governments and policies.

ooooooooo
interesting comment.
I'd buy that.
which arab country do you think played the lead part? Syria?

I just thought of the theory recently, so I haven't filled in those details yet

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: Meuge

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: Meuge
One of the greatest freedoms a man can have, is to disrespect another man, without intent of harm. This freedom outlines the division between tolerance and acceptance.

Since you're not interested in tolerance, and would clearly see the world obey the rules of your religion, I propose that you should sterilize yourself, for the good of the human gene pool.

Thanks in advance.

One of the greatest freedom a man can have? LOL. You are an item.
Dont worry, you too will bow to the true religion. And your children, and their children, and so on.
Thanks in advance for reverting

Lets all bow to Sultan's religion and follow Islamic law. In fact, Islamic law should be the law of the land.

This would solve the world's problems, except that now bacon will be banned. Thats one of the downsides, otherwise, its a win-win for everyone.

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: Meuge

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: Meuge
One of the greatest freedoms a man can have, is to disrespect another man, without intent of harm. This freedom outlines the division between tolerance and acceptance.

Since you're not interested in tolerance, and would clearly see the world obey the rules of your religion, I propose that you should sterilize yourself, for the good of the human gene pool.

Thanks in advance.

One of the greatest freedom a man can have? LOL. You are an item.
Dont worry, you too will bow to the true religion. And your children, and their children, and so on.
Thanks in advance for reverting

I think he was joking



Back to Can'o'worms. That is an interesting point. I always thought that the governments always said "USA is what is making you opressed" and that way the government would avoid the blame of the people. But this could play a role in it as well, especially since I know so many Arabs enamored with the whole conflict that they forget the real issues...then again that is not to say that Palestine is not a real issue...but rather it is an issue that makes you forget about the other issues

It would be interesting to come up with a comprehensive outline of all of this. I think your point is totally valid and important, but as such the reality is that things are a huge amalgamation of points....Let us know when you flesh out the details

 

[Apocalypse X]

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: bamacre
Weren't you banned for saying Hitler should have finished his job?

That was a joke, which unfortunately some on AT didnt find funny. My apologies if it hurt your sentiments. It was honestly said in jest, and in response to the context of the thread which was rife with comments about the Holocaust. It is understandable that historically that was a very horrific incident but constantly attempting to evoke sympathy or justifying actions using that reference is just pathetic.

was that really a joke? Ha ha ha

Actions speak louder than words...
Just looking at the way you Title your topics and your responses to other peoples posts says more bout that so called "joke" of yours than you will ever know.

 

[Harabec]

What you have to realize is that democratic elections mean nothing without the people wanting to form a truly democratic nation.
The Hamas was basically people's only option after the Fatah failed them.
What will we do? who knows.

There are extremists on our side who would like to see the palestinians relocated 100KM west into the ocean. Fortunately, they are not in control.

There is a lot of hate, but most of the people on both sides are normal people wanting to live their lives peacfully (surprised?).

 

[Polish3d]

Originally posted by: Sultan
With all the recent donors backing out, and Israel refusing to take part in negotiations with a DEMOCRATICALLY elected government, held under Israel occupation, I would like to conjure up a conspiracy theory.

This is the best opportunity for Israel to declare stalemate and/or stop negotiations and continue with the annexation of terrorities. With funding gone, the Palestinian government, whatever there is of it, would simple cease to operate sending the Palestinians into further despair.

Discuss.

GROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWW UP

Personal responsibility is your friend; learn it, live it.

 

[Polish3d]

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: bamacre
Weren't you banned for saying Hitler should have finished his job?

That was a joke, which unfortunately some on AT didnt find funny. My apologies if it hurt your sentiments. It was honestly said in jest, and in response to the context of the thread which was rife with comments about the Holocaust. It is understandable that historically that was a very horrific incident but constantly attempting to evoke sympathy or justifying actions using that reference is just pathetic.

Too bad Arab racism makes it all the more relevant today... arabic culture is essentially stunted; riddled with violence, sexism, racism and emotionally-driven (mis)behavior.

No sympathy from me for your 'Israeli problem'; the entire complaint stems from arab intolerance anyway, if you guys weren't such racist ****** the Israeli 'problem' wouldn't exist in all likelihood.

Not to mention despite being there for only 1/2 a century and fending off enemies from all sides, Israel is still by far the most superior country in the region based upon almost any criteria.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: Genx87
Being democratically elected doesnt automatically make you one of the good guys. Their inability to commit to stopping the violence and renoucing their intentions to wipe Israel off the face of the earth means nobody wants to deal with them.

They wanted the power, they have it, now they need to learn how to become effective leaders.

I dont think Israel has ever in the past required such a lavish plan to do what it wants. if it wanted the palastinians off the land tomorrow they would simply bulldoze the entire area and push the people off through force.

Sounds very much like the current US Administration and the whole Axis of Evil/Regime change rhetoric

Except we dont send people into bus's full of children and have them self detonate, then make them into a national hero.

hamas is a terrorist organization and until they decide to grow out of that mold and into something productive, they will continue to get a cold shoulder from Israel and the world community.

No, we just dream up of more painful, creative things. We put sleeping bags around head and sit on their chests. Shoot unarmed people in the back of their heads; but hey, thats much, much better than blowing up buses?. How about Ms. Lyndie and company?

Not the official policy of the United States, sorry.
Anytime you want to growup and actually debate the topic you started feel free. This is supposed to be about Hamas, not the United States? Remember?

Sultan is merely following typical Arab/Islamic apologist behavior: Instead of addressing the issue head on, he shifts blame. They all do that.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
My conspiracy theory is that the conditions that allowed Hamas to win were designed by Arab/Muslim governments. If the Israel-Palestine issue were resolved, local populations would start looking at the problems at home instead of being obsessed about a situation that doesn't really concern them. They need an element of Israeli-Palestinian conflict in order to maintain their governments and policies.

This is actually not a real theory.

The Palestinian refugee situation (camps in Gaza and teh West Bank) were actually caused by the Arab governments not wanting the Palestinians refugees within their countries. They were the ones that created the camps by expelling them when the Palestinians fled from the Arab/Israel conflicts into the arms of their "brothers". Once the relevant Arab governments realized the can of worms (could not resist the pun) that they inherited and saw the unrest that the immigrants/refugees were causing within their own local populations (which were also embarressed by the defeats after all the government rhetoric), the camps were setup on "empty land" and turned into a dumping ground.

As long as the Palestinians were NIBY, the Arab governments were very willing to support the cause and allow them to be the lightning rod for their own people frustrations. They were able to control their own populations without the instigators pointing out promises not kept. All flaws could be deflected outward.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: bamacre
Weren't you banned for saying Hitler should have finished his job?

That was a joke, which unfortunately some on AT didnt find funny. My apologies if it hurt your sentiments. It was honestly said in jest, and in response to the context of the thread which was rife with comments about the Holocaust. It is understandable that historically that was a very horrific incident but constantly attempting to evoke sympathy or justifying actions using that reference is just pathetic.

Too bad Arab racism makes it all the more relevant today... arabic culture is essentially stunted; riddled with violence, sexism, racism and emotionally-driven (mis)behavior.

No sympathy from me for your 'Israeli problem'; the entire complaint stems from arab intolerance anyway, if you guys weren't such racist ****** the Israeli 'problem' wouldn't exist in all likelihood.

Not to mention despite being there for only 1/2 a century and fending off enemies from all sides, Israel is still by far the most superior country in the region based upon almost any criteria.

I agree with you on something :beer:

The problem in the middle east is not Israel being placed there, it is the muslim populations obsession with it, Israel got placed there, you guys attacked them, lost, and lost some land. With all things considered the Muslim nations got a good side of the deal, Israel didn't destroy them. If the Hamas change there ways, than we should help them, if they do not, than we should destroy them, and the people, for the people voted them in.

 

[Chryso]

Hamas will now be the government so any attacks by them will technically be attacks by another nation and not just an "organization". That opens them up for a whole new level of warfare.