ALRIGHT, Show us how fast u r running you PENTIUM 4...

Degenerate

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Yep, bring it on and lets see how fast we can bush this baby.

PLease include settings and Mobo
 

Degenerate

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arhhh.... you might me right. Maybe a year later.

How fast you guys think we can take it to any way??
 

AndyHui

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fkloster has his running at 1.8GHz on an ASUS P4T, I think.
 

MrCraphead

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dang, has anyone broke 2Ghz? That'd be quite an acheivement.....at least _I_ think so. :)
 

Rectalfier

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I think you would need some serious nitrogen cooling to break 2Ghz. But I guess if you get it that high you might start competing with an Athlon 1.2Ghz. :)
 

BigLance

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Competing with an Athlon maybe running Office or something, with games it would be doubling an Athlons FPS, haha :)
 

Soccerman

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I don't think 2ghz is possible on todays P4's becuase they can't go above a certain clock multiplier! nothing is available high enough to hit 2ghz without mad FSB overclocking.

Biglance, if you didn't see, the Athlon is running VERY CLOSE to a P4, when using MSI's AMD 760 motherboard with DDR SDRAM.

all things being equal, an Athlon would wallop the P4 good in almost anything FPU intensive.
 

compuwiz1

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There must be 100 reasons to buy a P4, but right now I can't think of one. PIII's and TBirds are so inexpensive, why waste the money? :Q
 

Rectalfier

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BigLance

&quot;with games it would be doubling an Athlons FPS&quot;

You mean &quot;game&quot; which would be quake3. The only reason it does so well is because quake3 needs the bandwidth provided by the i850. Haven't you seen how poorly the P4 performs in MDK and other popular games?


 

KarsinTheHutt

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Doubling of FPS? I don't think so.

Video cards are the limiting factors now, and fast video cards command a premium price.

I would not be surprised if the next generation nVidia based cards cost 700+ $US.
 

Soccerman

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I wouldn't be surprised either..

about the above post pointing out that the insane bandwidth available to the P4 is why Quake 3 works well on it. all things being equal (chipset gives exact same performance, no optimizations for either core (isn't that kindof impossible), same RAM, only 1 difference, the CPU), the Athlon would waste the P4.

however I'm inclined to believe that Quake 3 is more optimized for the P3. why? well it appears to do pretty well compared to the Athlon, even though the athlon is superior performance wise.

could it also be AGP performance? even then the biggest bottleneck would be the FSB (100mhz 64 bit FSB, compared to 66x2mhz 64 bit for AGP 2x) right?
 

Syborg1211

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Once the Alpha comes out with a P4 heatsink, we will be seeing a few more overclocks. Fkloster did with almost default voltage so I bet he could have a good chance to hit near 2ghz with mroe voltage and an alpha heatsink.
 

fkloster

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<< ...all things being equal (chipset gives exact same performance, no optimizations for either core (isn't that kindof impossible), same RAM, only 1 difference, the CPU), the Athlon would waste the P4 >>



Nice try, perhaps if I clocked my P4 to 1.2ghz it would really get smoked! @1.8 no chance, sorry...

There seems to be a lot of opinions floating around about how poorly P4's do in games other than Q3, how strange, I'm going to have to do benchmarking. I know that my 3DMark of 10K+ must be indicative of something other than the Ultra?

Currently the P4 I'm using runs @ 68c 15x122x1.775v (1830) but will not post @ 15x125x1.800v. Golden Orb &amp; Artic Silver do great in my wind tunnel. Heat is not the issue. I don't know what is but I'm workin' on it.

I use and ASUS P4T

NOX is the only Anandtech member besides me using a P4 :p I believe his platform is the retail Intel 850 board.
 

gUEv

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as soon as my system below is built (which should be sometime next week), i think i will give fkloster a good run for his money ;)
 

G14

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I've got a Gateway 1500 P4 1.5 GHz. I haven't dabbled with over clocking it. I've never bought an OEM computer before in my life....I asked for the money to build my own and instead I got the Gateway in the mail. I'm not complaining but it would have been MUCH better to build it my self.

In any event here's what type of performance I'm getting in Unreal Tournament. I'm getting more memory in the next few weeks I wonder how much improvement I'll get then.

City Intro
Textures on HIGH
32 bit color
FSAA ON

1024x768
MIN 51 fps
MAX 142 fps
AVG 93 fps

1280x1024
MIN 50
MAX 103
AVG 84

1600x1200
MIN 37
MAX 78
AVG 65

Gateway Performance 1500
Intel Pentium 4 1.5 GHz
GeForce2 GTS 64MB ULTRA (default clock)
128mb PC800 memory
ULTRA ATA/100 7200 RPM hard drive
22&quot; Mitsubishi Diamondtron 2040u NF



 

NFS4

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<<
I just want to clarify that my post isn't a knock on
flkoster. While he might seen to be an Intel Zealot to
some, I see him as a Pioneer willing to take the
arrows in the back for us who may or may not
follow.Just don't get any blood on the carpet
>>


ROTF:p
 

rahvin

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As some of us who have been playing with computers longer than apparently a lot of people on here have, I must say don't cut the PIV short. Intel always has horrible performance in the first generation of a new arcitecture, best example is to go back and look at the first Pentium cores (the true first pentiums, 60 and 66mhz). They were slower than 486's at the time, but by the time the 75mhz Penitum came out, it spanked even the 486 133mhz. Give Intel a little credit guys, as the software gets optimized and the process matures they will quickly ramp this thing up. Right now AMD has better price performance, but that doesn't mean Intel isn't gonna compete, they just move a little slow. :)
 

gUEv

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point taken, but youd think with being in the game so long they would get their act together by now? or are they just too stupid to realize that they make the same mistakes over and over and over again..as you pointed out yourself
 

Ryan

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software shouldn't be optimised to run on a P4, the P4 should be optimised to software more efficiently.
 

fkloster

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<< software shouldn't be optimised to run on a P4, the P4 should be optimised to software more efficiently. >>



Incorrect. Traditionally, software has always been written to take advantage of hardware. Static with all AMD and/or Intel offerings...
 

Noriaki

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<< but youd think with being in the game so long >>

That's the problem. They are working with a 20 year old ISA....the x86 FPU (x87) is an absolute pile of garbage. The Athlon did a decent job with it, but honestly it SUCKS. Intel designed SSE2 to become a powerful replacement, and by all indications SSE2 is going to rock when it's fully supported.



<< software shouldn't be optimised to run on a P4, the P4 should be optimised to software more efficiently. >>

You have a point, but do you still want to be running x86 in 2050? Didn't think so, the x86 FPU is very weak, it can only get so much better....somone has to take steps to get past it eventually, frankly I'm glad Intel did now.

Is the P4 expensive? Hell Yes.
Would I buy one over a K7/P3? Hell No.
Do I think the P4 was a waste of effort? No I don't, because someone had to do it. See the Pentium 60/66 vs 486 argument above. That's my favourite one when this subject comes up.