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Originally posted by: ThePresence
While the Giants certainly gave up much too much to get Eli, I still think he'll be a good QB with decent coaching. Giants QB coaching sucks, as does much of their coaching overall. Also, I think Rivers would suck on the Giants right now and I think Eli would be a pro-bowler on SD. Any decent QB will look awesome on the Chargers. If an opposing defense is not playing the run on every down they are not watching LT this year. He opens up the passing game ridiculously. Don't get me wrong, Rivers may be good, but he's not as good as he looks.
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It's his first year, we expected much less out of him. Not hard to see Giants fans jump on the media bandwagon of a coaching change. Only time will tell who will be the better QB but the Chargers definitely got the better end of that trade even if Eli somehow has a better career.
 
I think schottenheimer remembers what happened last year when his team played hard in a meaningless game. Brees tore his shoulder apart.
 
Originally posted by: Justin218
I think schottenheimer remembers what happened last year when his team played hard in a meaningless game. Brees tore his shoulder apart.
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Hopefully Marty forgets everything he has ever done in the past with the Chargers. Marty ball makes me puke and its rather pathetic. The Chargers need to win every game they can.
 
Originally posted by: Mike
Originally posted by: ThePresence
While the Giants certainly gave up much too much to get Eli, I still think he'll be a good QB with decent coaching. Giants QB coaching sucks, as does much of their coaching overall. Also, I think Rivers would suck on the Giants right now and I think Eli would be a pro-bowler on SD. Any decent QB will look awesome on the Chargers. If an opposing defense is not playing the run on every down they are not watching LT this year. He opens up the passing game ridiculously. Don't get me wrong, Rivers may be good, but he's not as good as he looks.
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It's his first year, we expected much less out of him. Not hard to see Giants fans jump on the media bandwagon of a coaching change. Only time will tell who will be the better QB but the Chargers definitely got the better end of that trade even if Eli somehow has a better career.
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If you actually read what I wrote you'd see that I agreed that the Giants gave up way too much no matter what Eli turns out to be. Media bandwagon? Yeah, whatever :roll:. A blind man can see that the Giants are a badly coached team. I've been a diehard Giants fan since I was a fetus, and I'm entitled to my opinion. The media can go screw themselves.
 
Originally posted by: ThePresence
Originally posted by: Mike
Originally posted by: ThePresence
While the Giants certainly gave up much too much to get Eli, I still think he'll be a good QB with decent coaching. Giants QB coaching sucks, as does much of their coaching overall. Also, I think Rivers would suck on the Giants right now and I think Eli would be a pro-bowler on SD. Any decent QB will look awesome on the Chargers. If an opposing defense is not playing the run on every down they are not watching LT this year. He opens up the passing game ridiculously. Don't get me wrong, Rivers may be good, but he's not as good as he looks.
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It's his first year, we expected much less out of him. Not hard to see Giants fans jump on the media bandwagon of a coaching change. Only time will tell who will be the better QB but the Chargers definitely got the better end of that trade even if Eli somehow has a better career.
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If you actually read what I wrote you'd see that I agreed that the Giants gave up wa too much no matter what Eli turns out to be. Media bandwagon? Yeah, whatever :roll:. I've been a diehard Giants fan since I was a fetus, and I'm entitled to my opinion. The media can go screw themselves.
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Meh, maybe you came up with it first, I really don't care. Either way, the media is all over that same theory like a fat kid on cake....maybe they're all jumping on your bandwagon. Either way, seems to be the same theme coming out of everything/everyone in NY. I just wouldn't be surprised if a couching change doesn't change the performance.

Even though this is Rivers' first year, Eli hasn't been playing long at all, by anyone's standards. Only time will tell to see if he is a good QB. At least he isn't a Ryan Leaf? 😛
 
Originally posted by: Mike
Originally posted by: ThePresence
Originally posted by: Mike
Originally posted by: ThePresence
While the Giants certainly gave up much too much to get Eli, I still think he'll be a good QB with decent coaching. Giants QB coaching sucks, as does much of their coaching overall. Also, I think Rivers would suck on the Giants right now and I think Eli would be a pro-bowler on SD. Any decent QB will look awesome on the Chargers. If an opposing defense is not playing the run on every down they are not watching LT this year. He opens up the passing game ridiculously. Don't get me wrong, Rivers may be good, but he's not as good as he looks.
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It's his first year, we expected much less out of him. Not hard to see Giants fans jump on the media bandwagon of a coaching change. Only time will tell who will be the better QB but the Chargers definitely got the better end of that trade even if Eli somehow has a better career.
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If you actually read what I wrote you'd see that I agreed that the Giants gave up wa too much no matter what Eli turns out to be. Media bandwagon? Yeah, whatever :roll:. I've been a diehard Giants fan since I was a fetus, and I'm entitled to my opinion. The media can go screw themselves.
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Meh, maybe you came up with it first, I really don't care. Either way, the media is all over that same theory like a fat kid on cake....maybe they're all jumping on your bandwagon. Either way, seems to be the same theme coming out of everything/everyone in NY. I just wouldn't be surprised if a couching change doesn't change the performance.

Even though this is Rivers' first year, Eli hasn't been playing long at all, by anyone's standards. Only time will tell to see if he is a good QB. At least he isn't a Ryan Leaf? 😛
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It's not about who had the idea first, ANYONE watching can see the signs that the coaching is not getting through to the players. Just ask Bob Whitfield.
I'm not saying the Coughlin should go, but many of his assistants should.
Including the QB coach.
And I agree that Rivers looks good, I just think much of that is due to LT and teams playing the run.
I don't see how you can disagree with that.
 
Originally posted by: ThePresence
Originally posted by: Mike
Originally posted by: ThePresence
Originally posted by: Mike
Originally posted by: ThePresence
While the Giants certainly gave up much too much to get Eli, I still think he'll be a good QB with decent coaching. Giants QB coaching sucks, as does much of their coaching overall. Also, I think Rivers would suck on the Giants right now and I think Eli would be a pro-bowler on SD. Any decent QB will look awesome on the Chargers. If an opposing defense is not playing the run on every down they are not watching LT this year. He opens up the passing game ridiculously. Don't get me wrong, Rivers may be good, but he's not as good as he looks.
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It's his first year, we expected much less out of him. Not hard to see Giants fans jump on the media bandwagon of a coaching change. Only time will tell who will be the better QB but the Chargers definitely got the better end of that trade even if Eli somehow has a better career.
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If you actually read what I wrote you'd see that I agreed that the Giants gave up wa too much no matter what Eli turns out to be. Media bandwagon? Yeah, whatever :roll:. I've been a diehard Giants fan since I was a fetus, and I'm entitled to my opinion. The media can go screw themselves.
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Meh, maybe you came up with it first, I really don't care. Either way, the media is all over that same theory like a fat kid on cake....maybe they're all jumping on your bandwagon. Either way, seems to be the same theme coming out of everything/everyone in NY. I just wouldn't be surprised if a couching change doesn't change the performance.

Even though this is Rivers' first year, Eli hasn't been playing long at all, by anyone's standards. Only time will tell to see if he is a good QB. At least he isn't a Ryan Leaf? 😛
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It's not about who had the idea first, ANYONE watching can see the signs that the coaching is not getting through to the players. Just ask Bob Whitfield.
I'm not saying the Coughlin should go, but many of his assistants should.
Including the QB coach.
And I agree that Rivers looks good, I just think much of that is due to LT and teams playing the run.
I don't see how you can disagree with that.
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Who said I am disagreeing? I see it as an irrelavent point. When your RB does well, your team generally does well. Im not so naive that I think Rivers is the best QB in the game. I just believe he is better then Eli.

Since your a Giants fan, I'll assume you know that their QB coach took over offensive play calling last night for the first time which led to a win during a shootout against teh Redskins in Washington. Though, maybe that is his better talent, and they should bring in a new QB coach?

As to who said what when? Yea, the details don't really matter, that is correct. You just see the coaches getting thrown under the bus more often then they should. Not saying that IS the case in NY, just a posibility.

edit: shootout is the wrong word there
 
Originally posted by: Mike
Originally posted by: ThePresence
Originally posted by: Mike
Originally posted by: ThePresence
Originally posted by: Mike
Originally posted by: ThePresence
While the Giants certainly gave up much too much to get Eli, I still think he'll be a good QB with decent coaching. Giants QB coaching sucks, as does much of their coaching overall. Also, I think Rivers would suck on the Giants right now and I think Eli would be a pro-bowler on SD. Any decent QB will look awesome on the Chargers. If an opposing defense is not playing the run on every down they are not watching LT this year. He opens up the passing game ridiculously. Don't get me wrong, Rivers may be good, but he's not as good as he looks.
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It's his first year, we expected much less out of him. Not hard to see Giants fans jump on the media bandwagon of a coaching change. Only time will tell who will be the better QB but the Chargers definitely got the better end of that trade even if Eli somehow has a better career.
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If you actually read what I wrote you'd see that I agreed that the Giants gave up wa too much no matter what Eli turns out to be. Media bandwagon? Yeah, whatever :roll:. I've been a diehard Giants fan since I was a fetus, and I'm entitled to my opinion. The media can go screw themselves.
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Meh, maybe you came up with it first, I really don't care. Either way, the media is all over that same theory like a fat kid on cake....maybe they're all jumping on your bandwagon. Either way, seems to be the same theme coming out of everything/everyone in NY. I just wouldn't be surprised if a couching change doesn't change the performance.

Even though this is Rivers' first year, Eli hasn't been playing long at all, by anyone's standards. Only time will tell to see if he is a good QB. At least he isn't a Ryan Leaf? 😛
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It's not about who had the idea first, ANYONE watching can see the signs that the coaching is not getting through to the players. Just ask Bob Whitfield.
I'm not saying the Coughlin should go, but many of his assistants should.
Including the QB coach.
And I agree that Rivers looks good, I just think much of that is due to LT and teams playing the run.
I don't see how you can disagree with that.
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Who said I am disagreeing? I see it as an irrelavent point. When your RB does well, your team generally does well. Im not so naive that I think Rivers is the best QB in the game. I just believe he is better then Eli.

Since your a Giants fan, I'll assume you know that their QB coach took over offensive play calling last night for the first time which led to a win during a shootout against teh Redskins in Washington. Though, maybe that is his better talent, and they should bring in a new QB coach?

As to who said what when? Yea, the details don't really matter, that is correct. You just see the coaches getting thrown under the bus more often then they should. Not saying that IS the case in NY, just a posibility.
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There's no question Rivers has had a better year than Eli. All I was saying is that I don't think that is all due to his talent, I think alot of it has to do with LT and many QB's would look great having him on their offense. Even Eli.
Yes, I know that Gilbride took over playcalling duties for last night's game. I'm not ready to call him a great coach yet, and as you said, maybe he'll make a better coordinator than QB coach, because he certainly was not getting it done in that capacity. Hufnagel was not a bad OC, but he was getting too predictable and Coughlin needed a fall guy.
When a team is 6-2 and then goes on a slide like they fell off a cliff, you need to look at coaching. Yes, I know the Giants had devestating injuries and that's a large part of it, but the team completely fell apart. Discipline went out the window. Ridiculously stupid penalties hurt the Giants almost as much as the injuries. That's coaching.
I think Coughlin is a good coach, but I think the team is not responding to him.
 
I was talking about talent. Like I said though, only time will tell. Unfortunately for them, they will always be compared to each other.

The best QB coach in the world isn't going to help when your team is tied, with under a minute to go, and your QB throws a semi hail mary down the right sideline for an INT. A freshmen HS QB kowns not to make that. Eli is only human though, everyone makes mistakes.

The Giants need work, that is for sure. With Tiki gone next year though, 8-8 will be a far distant pipe dream. Eli is for the long term future though, so purhaps they will be a superbowl contender down the road with Eli at the helm?

It will be interesting to see.
 
Originally posted by: chuckywang
1) Seattle beats Tampa Bay - Yes 23-7
2) Detroit beats Dallas - Yes - 39-31 (Philly clinches)
3) Cleveland beats Houston - Nope 6 - 14
4) New Orleans beats Carolina - Nope 21 - 31
5) Minnesota beats St. Louis - Nope 21 - 41
6) Miami beats Indianapolis - Nope 22-27
7) Arizona beats San Diego - Nope 20-27
8) San Francisco beats Denver

and of course

9) Green Bay beats Chicago
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