Alright, I'm done with my portfolio.

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Lifer
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So, I'm finally at a point where I think I'm ready to make a few changes in my portfolio. That is, I'm at a point where I'm ready to specify and pursue an actual directed investment strategy (40% small-cap, 20% mid-cap, 10% large-cap, 30% int'l is what I'm considering, although I'll have to do a bit more research as to optimum allocation). I am going into my senior year of college, economics major.

I keep running into two major issues with my portfolio:

1) Should I separate my IRA and my taxable portfolios? Or should I manage my asset allocation so that, when viewed as a whole, they achieve my desired mix? (I finally realized that this sentence is out of context with the rest of the paragraph - I was referring to the possibility of just buying into a mutual fund within my IRA. The difficulty with any sort of mutual fund and my IRA right now is that I simply don't have enough to buy into more than one - although I suppose I could go with an S&P500 index fund from Vanguard.)

2) How do I deal with transaction costs? This is by far the biggest barrier right now to me doing anything. I use USAA, which I really enjoy using both as a broker and as a bank. They charge $24.95 per trade for stocks, and $40 for most transaction fee no-load mutual funds I would consider looking at (Vanguard). The cost itself isn't a huge deal, but the amount of stocks/funds I would need to purchase to attain my desired level of diversification is. Even if I look at and eventually choose 4 or 5 mutual funds, that's still $200 in commissions.

I should also probably mention my general portfolio allocation:
35 shares of Boeing, market value ~$1175
140 shares of Sierra Pacific Resources, market value ~$700
Some # of shares of American Electric Power, I believe that the market value is around $13,000. (this is not currently under my control, it should be soon). My grandfather bought $1,000 of AEP stock when I was a newborn, it has since appreciated to that amount. That might be a bit conservative, last I remember $11,000 was at the stock's 3-year low; it was trading about $40,000 at the height of the last boom cycle; I think it should be trading around $25,000 or $30,000 at fair market value.
$570 in cash in a Roth IRA, after September to be $1,600 (this is the max contribution I can make this year, hopefully I'll make an extra $1400 in wages before year-end)

I am strongly considering selling the SRP, I don't know for sure about Boeing just yet. Neither are doing particularly well, but I'm going to consider my overall asset allocation before I sell either. I may sell some of the AEP so that I can balance out the rest of the portfolio.

So, I guess I am asking, what would be the advisable/wise route to take? I really should just go talk to a financial adviser, but I don't have the money at the moment. :p

Thanks for any thoughts you can offer up.

UPDATE:

I am leaving my IRA alone for now, just let it accumulate cash, no use using up $40 in commission when I only have $500 in there. I will decide this strategy separately after a few years, when I've earned enough money to do something with it. For now, I may use it to trade some companies for some light capital gains, but other than that, meh.

For my taxable portfolio, I have:
Vanguard Small Cap Index, NAESX, $3,000
Vanguard 500 Index, VFINX, $3,000
Vanguard Value Index, VIVAX, $3,000
Vanguard Small Cap Value Index, VISVX, $3,000
Vanguard International Value, VTRIX, $3,000
With $200 in commissions for initial purchases, dividends automatically reinvested.

I am keeping some money in a few DRIPs, as an homage to my grandfather and for some independent ownership.
American Electric Power, AEP, $2,000
Boeing, BA, $1,000
Glimcher Realty Trust, GRT, $1,000

I have neither the time nor the capital to do anything greater at the moment. Perhaps in the future, when I'm earning enough to add $12,000 a year to my portfolio, I can take a different approach.
 

darkshadow1

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For the amount of capital you're investing at the moment (seems to be around $15000?), frequent transactions will be greatly detrimental...you could try a discount broker if you plan to make more trades in a given year.

As for diversification, you might want to look into ETF's? There are enough such that you could reach your asset allocation goals using a few different funds...plus fees should be less than the average mutual fund.

Oh, and mutual funds in general suck. :p I'm sort of kidding, but not really.
 

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: darkshadow1
For the amount of capital you're investing at the moment (seems to be around $15000?), frequent transactions will be greatly detrimental...you could try a discount broker if you plan to make more trades in a given year.

As for diversification, you might want to look into ETF's? There are enough such that you could reach your asset allocation goals using a few different funds...plus fees should be less than the average mutual fund.

Oh, and mutual funds in general suck. :p I'm sort of kidding, but not really.

I haven't looked into ETF's much. Maybe I should. I don't plan on trading often - just enough to get my desired mix and then I'm going to leave it. Hopefully I can contribute at least $3000 a year to my IRA and as much as is humanly possible to my taxable portfolio, and I'll stick to reallocating once or twice a year. But for right now, I just need to get a basic mix.

Yeah, mutual funds generally suck. I'm looking at mostly Vanguard low-maintenance fee funds.
 

DaveSimmons

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Instead of paying $40/trade for mutual funds, you might consider setting up an account directly at Vanguard.com, last I looked they waived the fee (though not the minimum amount) on buying their own funds.

Since you don't have much to work with right now, the best strategy might be to just put it into 2-3 mutual funds, VFINX for large-cap and ??? for small-cap / mid-cap, worldwide. Don't worry about always being in balance, just make each new purchase in line with your strategy -- buy a block of large, then small, then world/intl, and repeat.
 

Eli

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Sorry, I don't have any advice.. but I wish I did. :p

I want to get into all this investment stuff sometime.. :)
 

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: Eli
Sorry, I don't have any advice.. but I wish I did. :p

I want to get into all this investment stuff sometime.. :)

It can be daunting... I'm trying to get a position that I can lock into with what I have right now (~$15,000 or so), and just add money when I make it and leave it. It is very, very tempting to spend lots of time researching and plotting and lamenting past opportunities, but the majority of very wealthy people (notice, wealthy, not "rich") get that way by saving and investing for long periods of time, relying on appreciation and compounding.

Of course, it can't hurt to come from a wealthy family or to be a business genius, but for the regular people, we'll rely on the traditional approaches.
 

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Originally posted by: Orsorum
So, I'm finally at a point where I think I'm ready to make a few changes in my portfolio. That is, I'm at a point where I'm ready to specify and pursue an actual directed investment strategy (40% small-cap, 20% mid-cap, 10% large-cap, 30% int'l is what I'm considering, although I'll have to do a bit more research as to optimum allocation). I am going into my senior year of college, economics major.

How much of your total investments is in stocks? Even at your age, you should consider putting some money in bonds. Also, do you really want to invest 40% in small-caps? That is a huge percentage of your portfolio relative to the market value of small caps. I realize small caps have done well in the past, but they are also riskier and investing such a disproportionate amount of money in them is a big risk. Likewise with investing so little in large caps.

I keep running into two major issues with my portfolio:

1) Should I separate my IRA and my taxable portfolios?

Arguably, you should put the riskier stuff in the IRA as it is "long-term" by definition (ie, it is money you won't need for a while) and the tax advantage will be better due to the higher growth potential of the high-risk stuff.
2) How do I deal with transaction costs? This is by far the biggest barrier right now to me doing anything. I use USAA, which I really enjoy using both as a broker and as a bank. They charge $24.95 per trade for stocks, and $40 for most transaction fee no-load mutual funds I would consider looking at (Vanguard). The cost itself isn't a huge deal, but the amount of stocks/funds I would need to purchase to attain my desired level of diversification is. Even if I look at and eventually choose 4 or 5 mutual funds, that's still $200 in commissions.

How tied are you to your bank? You could take a look at places like sharebuilder.com if you want to continually invest money into stocks without paying huge commissions.

 

Hector13

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I'll break up my post as it is getting too long:

Some other things: as you are planning on keeping the individual stocks you own as well as any new ETFs/mutual funds that you but (I assume you will be doing this allocation with funds, not individual names)? I would recommend that you don't; espcially not the AEP. It might be tough to sell due to sentimental reasons, but economically, it makes no sense to have such a large position (relative to your portfolio) in one stock.

As you are entering your last year of college, I wouldn't worry too much about your "taxable" account. If you plan on going to work after you graduate, you will probably have the opportunity to put around $11K per year into a 401K plan.
 

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: Hector13
How much of your total investments is in stocks? Even at your age, you should consider putting some money in bonds. Also, do you really want to invest 40% in small-caps? That is a huge percentage of your portfolio relative to the market value of small caps. I realize small caps have done well in the past, but they are also riskier and investing such a disproportionate amount of money in them is a big risk. Likewise with investing so little in large caps.

I may reconsider my total allocation - this is something I have yet to really take a position on. I am weighting small caps so heavily because I have such a long time-horizon. But nothing is definite.

Arguably, you should put the riskier stuff in the IRA as it is "long-term" by definition (ie, it is money you won't need for a while) and the tax advantage will be better due to the higher growth potential of the high-risk stuff.

Exactly what I'm planning on doing. :p

How tied are you to your bank? You could take a look at places like sharebuilder.com if you want to continually invest money into stocks without paying huge commissions.

What I'm considering doing (and this is just something I thought about doing tonight) is following a long-term strategy as follows:

- taxable portfolio through USAA, probably hold a couple mutual funds and those stocks that don't offer DSPs.
- IRA through USAA for the high-risk, large tax-liability investments
- DSPs for the majority of my individual stocks (well, those companies that offer it, at least) - although I am curious if this would limit me to just large-cap stocks for this portion of it...?
 

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: Hector13
I'll break up my post as it is getting too long:

Some other things: as you are planning on keeping the individual stocks you own as well as any new ETFs/mutual funds that you but (I assume you will be doing this allocation with funds, not individual names)? I would recommend that you don't; espcially not the AEP. It might be tough to sell due to sentimental reasons, but economically, it makes no sense to have such a large position (relative to your portfolio) in one stock.

As you are entering your last year of college, I wouldn't worry too much about your "taxable" account. If you plan on going to work after you graduate, you will probably have the opportunity to put around $11K per year into a 401K plan.

Yeah, I know what you mean regarding the AEP. I feel guilty about selling it so soon, as it was a gift from my grandfather to me, but if I really want to look at it as part of my portfolio, I would need to sell part/all of it.

Yeah, taxes aren't a huge deal right now, they probably won't be for another eight or ten years (yes, it'll be that long before I'm completely done with grad school). But I figure an early start and responsible tax-management is better than figuring it out later.
 

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Lifer
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Alright, I think this is what I'm going to do.

$20,000 overall portfolio value (I honestly don't know the market value of my AEP holdings, but I'm guesstimating around $15,000 or so).

IRA
- FLSPX, 15% small-cap ($3,000)
regular brokerage acct
- VILPX, 15% municipal bonds ($3,000)
- FNMIX, 15% international bonds ($3,000)
DRIPs
- AEP, 35% mid-cap ($7,000)
- GRT, 10% mid-cap ($2,000)
- BA, 10% large-cap ($2,000)
 

I'm a HUGE saver (except for this summer...moved into a new place and had to get myself started buying groceries, some furniture, etc.). I've saved about 60% of what I've earned since I started working my freshman year of HS. Right now, my savings are sitting in an ING Direct Orange Savings account earning 2%, which I'm pretty happy with, considering that I have nowhere near $20,000. I've been looking around at IRAs and similar savings plans, and the best my bank (Bank One) could offer is something paltry like 1.75% on a Roth.

Personally, I feel that at this point, liquidity of funds is the most important aspect of my savings plan, as there may be expenses in the future that I won't be able to predict. For that reason, 2% makes me quite happy, as long as I can get my money quickly, which I currently can.

However, if there is a way for me to earn >2% while still keeping SOME liquidity, I'd definitely look into it. But in terms of an IRA, the only reason I'd be able to withdraw penalty free before retirement is for a home purchase, and it looks like I might need a newer car soon, so I need to stay away from that, at least for now.

I can't offer you any advice, but I'm just telling you my thoughts and current situation. :)