from my thread yesterday, I have finally have the balls to give her a call. I talked to her friend, the one that she was with on saturday night and got her phone number from her, although she offered to talk to her which I responded no, since it has never done any good in the past. I'll probably be doing the same thing that I did last friday/saturday, having friends down to the lakes and planned that I would invite her to come. This is really all that I could come up with now, it's not really a close setting down there, same as last time 10 max, probably so I'm hoping that it won't put her in a awkward position, and a few of her friends will be there anyway. Since she is younger than me doing a study session really wouldn't work, no classes that are remotely the same... and kids my age don't really go out for coffee around here, it's probably too early to ask her alone to a movie... so this sounded like the best plan to me... what do you ATOT'ers think? suggestions? thanks all!