Almost Famous

DealMonkey

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Okay, for all those who hate when celebs/musicians are political, now's your chance to bash. Go ahead. Please, be consistant here. Don't be shy -- these celebs are just asking for it.

Almost Famous

The "celebrities" who love the GOP.
By Rob Long
Updated Friday, Aug. 27, 2004, at 3:27 PM PT

Even for me, an ultra-loyal Republican, the two creepiest words in the English language are "Christian rock."

I've listened to my fair share of it, too?long drive across the country; busted iPod?and there's something so weird about it. It sounds like regular bad music when you first tune in. The lyrics always seem like regular bad music lyrics, too?"I feel your body next to mine/ And that makes my whole life shine"?but after a second or two you realize that they're singing about Jesus, not some girl named Mandy, and the whole thing just seems, well, creepy. Because rock music?and most other forms of entertainment, when you really think about it?is fundamentally about carnal desire. And Jesus, when you really think about it, is fundamentally not.

Which is all a long way of saying that I don't think I'm going to enjoy the "entertainment" portion of the Republican National Convention.

It won't all be Christian rock, of course. According to the most recent RNC press release, conventioneers will be treated to country music acts such as Brooks & Dunn, Lee Ann Womack, Darryl Worley, and Donnie McClurkin. They'll be joining Michael W. Smith, Daniel Rodriguez, Daize Shayne, Sara Evans, and Dana Glover on the podium. Sounds exciting, no?

I'm aware that I'm going to sound like one of those liberal Democrat media snobs?which is unfair, because I'm a conservative Republican media snob?but who are these people? I live in Venice, Calif., so I happen to know who Daize Shayne is?Google her yourself, if you're interested?but most of the other names are drawing big blanks. There are rumors, of course, that Britney Spears is a closet Bushie?which might be true; she's from Orlando, right??and we've all seen Ted Nugent's Republican spiel. But the sad truth is, the real difference between Democrats and Republicans is that their celebrities are, like, actually famous and ours are, well, singing weirdly erotic songs about Our Savior.

Metaphorically, anyway. It's not so much that Republican celebrities are all Christian rockers, it's that they all pretty much adhere to the Christian Rock Principle?it sounds like rock, for about one second you think it's rock, but it isn't quite. Something's off. The performers and celebrities who will appear at the RNC certainly sound famous?they have Grammys and awards and huge followings, apparently?but they aren't, quite.

At least when compared to Ben Affleck, Leonardo DiCaprio, and the rest of the famous crowd that swanned around Boston during the Democratic National Convention. As they clustered tightly alongside the Kennedys, or took in the scene from Fleet Center skyboxes, it became clear that if the Republicans are the party of the rich, the Democrats are the party of the rich and famous. Put it this way: There are two kinds of people in the world, famous people, and people you have to Google. Republicans have a lot of the latter and only a few of the former.

I'm not really sure why Republicans even bother to compete. I mean, why go to the trouble to trot out your Bo Dereks or your Robert Davis, when there's not much cachet to either name? (And anyway, who is Robert Davi again? I'll pause briefly while you Google him.) After all, the whole point of a political convention is to shine the bright light of fame on the nominee, not the movie star listening to the nominee. The least interesting person at the Democratic National Convention last month was the nominee himself, and he's the most likely, 12 months from now, to end up being the least famous, too. To become president of the United States these days, you really have to be a star. (It didn't matter where Bill Clinton went or who he was with, he was unmistakably the most famous, most glittering person in the room.) Hanging out with P. Diddy or Leo or Ben or Barbra doesn't make John Kerry seem more electric or attractive?star dust, all fables to the contrary, does not rub off. It makes him seem stiffer, weirder, creepier than he already appears.

Worse, if one of these characters does something embarrassing, or illegal, or both?and come on, it's not entirely unlikely?it will blow back on the nominee, as unfair as that seems. Fame and notoriety are yoked so tightly together in our country that any candidate who would actually allow the famous at his convention, let alone court them, is displaying baffling bad judgment.

This may be why you rarely, if ever, see George Bush in a celebrity photo op. True, he probably has no idea who most of the beautiful people at the DNC were anyway, but there's also a political strategy to it, a certain faded-European-royalty logic at work: Always be the most powerful and famous person in the room, and if you're not going to be, get another room.

Except for the humorously disconcerting Christian rock lyrics ("I lie in bed and what do I see/ But your loving face looking back at me"), I'm probably not going to enjoy the entertainment offerings at the Republican Convention. But then, I'm not really supposed to.

Rob Long is a writer and producer in Hollywood. He wrote for four seasons on television's long-running Cheers and is the author of Conversations With My Agent.

Photographs on the Slate home page: of Kix Brooks and Ronnie Dunn by Steve Marcus/Reuters; of Lee Ann Womack by Steve Marcus/Reuters; of Darryl Worley by Steve Marcus/Reuters; of Donnie McClurkin by Fred Prouser/Reuters; of Diana Golver by Jim Ruymen/Reuters; of Sara Evans by Tami Chappell/Reuters.
 

Ferocious

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I never understood the obsession by Republicans with Hollywood.

Who cares how some actor votes?? I don't.
 

CaptnKirk

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Toby Keith would be glad to kick your 'NON-NASCAR, Quiche eatin', 'French Dippin' ass.
Like the True Patriotic, Christian, Cow-Boy he is.
 

CycloWizard

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I didn't realize it was the Republicans who are in love with Hollywood. Are there movie stars speaking in NYC, or was that Boston?

NEW YORK ? An exuberant crowd of nearly 2,000 packed New York City's Hammerstein Ballroom on Tuesday night ostensibly to voice their support for Sen. John Kerry (search), but President Bush (search) had the dubious distinction of being the man of the hour.

Host Janeane Garofalo provided salty commentary throughout, most notably referring to senior presidential political adviser Karl Rove (search) as a feminine hygiene product, evoking a Democratic fund-raiser two months ago in which comedienne Whoopi Goldberg raised Republican hackles by using Bush's name to refer to part of a woman's anatomy.

Excerpted from http://forums.anandtech.com/me...7&enterthread=y[/q
I'd take Christian Rock over that kind of support any day, honestly.
 

DealMonkey

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Originally posted by: CycloWizard
I didn't realize it was the Republicans who are in love with Hollywood. Are there movie stars speaking in NYC, or was that Boston?

[...]

I'd take Christian Rock over that kind of support any day, honestly.
Whatever you say. But then I guess it would be pretty hypocritical to bash celebs on the dem side of the aisle and not celebs on the rep side of the aisle as long as the RNC celebs are grade B. Right, wizard? Meaning, it's OK for celebs to have a political view so long as its the right political view.

That's what I thought.
 

CycloWizard

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
<blockquote>quote:
<hr><i>Originally posted by: <b>CycloWizard</b></i>
I didn't realize it was the Republicans who are in love with Hollywood. Are there movie stars speaking in NYC, or was that Boston?

[...]

I'd take Christian Rock over that kind of support any day, honestly.<hr></blockquote>
Whatever you say. But then I guess it would be pretty hypocritical to bash celebs on the dem side of the aisle and not celebs on the rep side of the aisle as long as the RNC celebs are grade B. Right, wizard? Meaning, it's OK for celebs to have a political view so long as its the <i>right</i> political view.

That's what I thought.

Yeah, just go ahead and put words in my mouth. I think any form of celebrity endorsement for politicians is actually out of line, since they're using their celebrity to try to convince people to vote one way or the other, which is just not how things should be done. However, at least the Republican approach has some class, rather than taking pot shots that are in poor taste.
 

feralkid

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Originally posted by: CycloWizard
<blockquote>quote:
<hr><i>Originally posted by: <b>DealMonkey</b></i>
<blockquote>quote:
<hr><i>Originally posted by: <b>CycloWizard</b></i>
I didn't realize it was the Republicans who are in love with Hollywood. Are there movie stars speaking in NYC, or was that Boston?

[...]

I'd take Christian Rock over that kind of support any day, honestly.<hr></blockquote>
Whatever you say. But then I guess it would be pretty hypocritical to bash celebs on the dem side of the aisle and not celebs on the rep side of the aisle as long as the RNC celebs are grade B. Right, wizard? Meaning, it's OK for celebs to have a political view so long as its the <i>right</i> political view.

That's what I thought.<hr></blockquote>

Yeah, just go ahead and put words in my mouth. I think any form of celebrity endorsement for politicians is actually out of line, since they're using their celebrity to try to convince people to vote one way or the other, which is just not how things should be done. However, at least the Republican approach has some class, rather than taking pot shots that are in poor taste.




wow, you just confirmed what he said...you may want to clarify that a bit. Unless you were serious?


:confused:
 

CycloWizard

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I'm saying that if celebrities want to get in the political game, they might as well have something semi-intelligent to say, rather than something in poor taste. Better yet, keep them out altogether. Am I missing something?
 

Darkhawk28

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Celebrities can say whatever they wish. By being celebrities, they have not given up their rights as citizens in this country.
 

Mockery

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Being a bit vicious here, but I felt this was fitting to the discussion at hand.

What do people call a Liberal actor/singer?

Rich Hollywood elitists?..

What do people call Conservative actors/ singers?

Governor of California, followed quickly by Mr. President.

:)


 

ntdz

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Originally posted by: Mockery
Being a bit vicious here, but I felt this was fitting to the discussion at hand.

What do people call a Liberal actor/singer?

Rich Hollywood elitists?..

What do people call Conservative actors/ singers?

Governor of California, followed quickly by Mr. President.

<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

so true, arnold and ronald reagan are perfect examples
 
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So as celebrities they cant express their views and try to convince people to come to their side? Why are celebrities doing something wrong by speaking out but preachers, jerry Fallwell, community activists, or anyone who isnt a celebrity has that right to tell others how they should vote. You have to be an asinine prick to say that being a celebrity precludes you from having a political opinion. Being a celebrity doesnt mean your opinion should be taken more seriously than others, but it shouldnt be taken less seriously either.

Billy
 

CycloWizard

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Originally posted by: SwissArmyBilly
So as celebrities they cant express their views and try to convince people to come to their side? Why are celebrities doing something wrong by speaking out but preachers, jerry Fallwell, community activists, or anyone who isnt a celebrity has that right to tell others how they should vote. You have to be an asinine prick to say that being a celebrity precludes you from having a political opinion. Being a celebrity doesnt mean your opinion should be taken more seriously than others, but it shouldnt be taken less seriously either.

Billy

So I'm an asanine prick for saying exactly what you said in your last sentence? I never said they couldn't have an opinion, just that people shouldn't listen to them. Celebrities don't live in the same world as the rest of us (if you don't believe me, go drive through Belair, Beverly Hills... It's obscene), so they're not exactly who I would listen to. Of course, if you couldn't figure this out on your own, you probably shouldn't be voting in the first place, so I'm just spinning my wheels. :eek:
 

Infohawk

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Republicans are scared to death of celebrities... They cower in their presence but scream at them through the televisions like the cowards they so frequently are.

On another note, isn't it interesting how there are so few creative conservatives? They opine about Moore but can't come up with anything interesting themselves. I heard a Nascar guy say his idea of art was the Dale Earnhardt sticker on the back of his oversized-tire pickup.
 

Mockery

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Originally posted by: Infohawk
Republicans are scared to death of celebrities... They cower in their presence but scream at them through the televisions like the cowards they so frequently are.

On another note, isn't it interesting how there are so few creative conservatives? They opine about Moore but can't come up with anything interesting themselves. I heard a Nascar guy say his idea of art was the Dale Earnhardt sticker on the back of his oversized-tire pickup.


Look up the average education level of the most vocal 'Hollywood' activists we see on television.

I'd hardly say that having them rag on about the Liberal perspective is anything worth bragging about.

The bulk of them either didn't complete High School, or dropped out of college within the first few years.

To me this is reminiscent of flaunting Charles Barkley and Karl Malone agreeing with your way of thinking.

PHD Graduates?.check (worthy of praise)
Nobel Prize Winners?.double check (also worthy of praise)
Celebrities, Musicians, and Sports Stars?.(ahhahahaha)




 

Format C:

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Originally posted by: Infohawk
Republicans are scared to death of celebrities... They cower in their presence but scream at them through the televisions like the cowards they so frequently are.

On another note, isn't it interesting how there are so few creative conservatives? They opine about Moore but can't come up with anything interesting themselves. I heard a Nascar guy say his idea of art was the Dale Earnhardt sticker on the back of his oversized-tire pickup.

Thats because Conservatives are too busy out there creating and maintaining the very environment that allows for do-nothing judgemental elitists to sit upon their self-imagined lofty thrones of bigotrous superiority and sneer down their long pointy noses at those so obviously less enlightened and deserving than they.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: Mockery
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Republicans are scared to death of celebrities... They cower in their presence but scream at them through the televisions like the cowards they so frequently are.

On another note, isn't it interesting how there are so few creative conservatives? They opine about Moore but can't come up with anything interesting themselves. I heard a Nascar guy say his idea of art was the Dale Earnhardt sticker on the back of his oversized-tire pickup.


Look up the average education level of the most vocal 'Hollywood' activists we see on television.

I'd hardly say that having them rag on about the Liberal perspective is anything worth bragging about.

The bulk of them either didn't complete High School, or dropped out of college within the first few years.

To me this is reminiscent of flaunting Charles Barkley and Karl Malone agreeing with your way of thinking.

PHD Graduates?.check (worthy of praise)
Nobel Prize Winners?.double check (also worthy of praise)
Celebrities, Musicians, and Sports Stars?.(ahhahahaha)

Nobel Prize winners certainly are worthy of praise! :D
 

sMiLeYz

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Most artists, musicians, philosophers, professors, scientists, and nobel prize winners are notoriously liberal. They are some of the most gifted people on earth, and I'm glad I subscribe to their way of thinking.

If that makes me an 'liberal elistist' then so be it.
 

cKGunslinger

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Whatever you say. But then I guess it would be pretty hypocritical to bash celebs on the dem side of the aisle and not celebs on the rep side of the aisle as long as the RNC celebs are grade B. Right, wizard? Meaning, it's OK for celebs to have a political view so long as its the right political view.

That's what I thought.
You think GWB is a very attractive and sexy man? That's what I thought.

Oh, you mean we aren't playing the "make bizarre statements and assume that the previous poster actually said them" game? Sorry about that, your post must have confused me. :roll:

Originally posted by: CycloWizard
I think any form of celebrity endorsement for politicians is actually out of line, since they're using their celebrity to try to convince people to vote one way or the other, which is just not how things should be done.
While I *loath* hearing stupid celebrities talking about leaving he country if their political ideals aren't met, I still support their right to say such things, no matter how innane and stupid they sound. Celebrities are citizens as well, they should have the same rights as the rest of us. Fortunately, the rest of us lack the money, desire, and feelings of self-importance to schedule press confernces to talk about our opinions.

Originally posted by: Infohawk
On another note, isn't it interesting how there are so few creative conservatives? They opine about Moore but can't come up with anything interesting themselves. I heard a Nascar guy say his idea of art was the Dale Earnhardt sticker on the back of his oversized-tire pickup.
Damn. On second thought, I think I would rather listen to pompous actors than this garbage. :roll:

Originally posted by: DonVito
Fixed that for you.
LOL! :thumbsup: