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Labze

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Hello

I'm really troubled with the many choices of display monitors out there. I've been all around but as soon as i figure that this monitor would be perfect it ends up with a lots of flaws, which leaves me at bottum again

Currently my top contender for choice of monitor is the HP ZR24w, with lots of positive reviews it seems like a great choice and seems like the one with the fewest downsides, however people tend to say it suffers from lot of ghosting and slow response time which i really like to avoid since i enjoy a play of counter-strike once in a while, as well as other FPS and RPG games.

However, the new 120Hz screen also speaks to me. The mildly positive reviewed Asus VG236H seems like a good purchase for the gamer, however it sacrifises alot of the great image quality, from what i hear atleast.
And the BenQ xl2410t also looks very interesting with all its features, but i have been unable to find any reviews other than a very few user comments that doesnt explain it that well
U2311H, Asus VW246H, Samsung P24-50/70H and several BenQ monitors has also been considered.

The use of the monitor must fit pretty well allround, I like the watch movies, play games and do school work (so plenty of text editing). Im by no means a photographer so accurate colors might not be so important but i do sure appreciate a beautiful image so great black and vibrant colors are of course what i seek.

If anyone could point me in the right direction, then it would be greatly appreciated :)

Oh and by the way full HD and between 22"-24" is a must
 
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Labze

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Duuh sorry for missing the obvious :)

I live in denmark so prices may be slightly or way off the US prices. I guess its about 450-550$ i can spend, or about 3000,- danish kroner if any danish person is reading
 
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Well Dell is always putting some 24" monitors on sale, but they may not have all the options you want like no built-in Speakers or the stand not having a height adjustment. Of course you may want something in a 27".
 
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I recently purchased this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824236080

I love it. It doesn't say it on the description but it is LED backlit and 2ms. Picture is great whether gaming or watching movies. I purchased it for $239 new from there when it was on sale. You don't specify what you are wanting to spend, but that is dirt cheap for a 27" monitor although that might be out of your size range. Every review I could find for it was pretty good.
 
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Labze

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I've heard much about the dell ultrasharp U2311H, but likely as many bad things, lack of qc and stuff such as that, peoples say the HP ZR24w is generally a better choice, but also cost me like 90$ more, but i pay that for something better.

Now i cant be sure of that, but from what i heard the dell has a lot of tinting as well as backlight bleed. And to be honest i hate bleeds :(
But other than that its true it seems like a great choice, how does it fare in RPG games?

** Note : I dont really care about features such as USB hubs or speakers. Well usb might be nice, but the only priority in this is getting a great looking panel. Everything else come second to none
 
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The zr24w has good response times. I have not seen an official review that said it ghosted. Mine definitely does not ghost.

The screen itself does suffer from another issue though. The screen has very bad gamma shifting in the corners. This somewhat disrupts the entire purpose of purchasing an IPS panel over a TN, while colors in the middle of the screen are very nice, gamma shifting in the corners during gaming actually means that sometimes you may not immediately notice something there.

The dells have a whole other issue with pink tinting that has been an on and off problem for about a year now. I have not researched it lately but check reviews on cnet.com of the monitor. I saw at least 2 dozen posts from the summer when I ended up going with the zr24w.

My actual preference would have been to grab the 25.5 asus TN panel. The color shifting is not that bad. The colors are vibrant, response times are good.

Sorry at the moment IPS is not for me. Gamma shifting is worse than color shifting IMO, and 400+ is too much to risk for a pink tinted screen.
 
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Ive pretty much been thru the same roller coaster ride. Unfortunately displays are very complicated. There are many facets too numerous to mention that a good display must have to present/discuss here. The issue is compounded by the absence of brick & mortar stores in which an individual is able to see & test a monitor before they decide to purchase. Buying sight unseen from the internet is risky. In the case of ZR24w, one out of eight monitors will display some type of screen issue such as one or more hot pixels, non-uniform brightness, color cast or uneven color. HP will work with you, but if you decide to exchange then it will be a refurbished from then on. Some people have had to swap thru as many as six units before reaching satisfaction.

Best bet is NEC LCD2490WUXI if you can afford it or settle for the Viewsonic VP2365w (a 16:9 ratio).
 
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C1 said:
Ive pretty much been thru the same roller coaster ride. Unfortunately displays are very complicated. There are many facets too numerous to mention that a good display must have to present/discuss here. The issue is compounded by the absence of brick & mortar stores in which an individual is able to see & test a monitor before they decide to purchase. Buying sight unseen from the internet is risky. In the case of ZR24w, one out of eight monitors will display some type of screen issue such as one or more hot pixels, non-uniform brightness, color cast or uneven color. HP will work with you, but if you decide to exchange then it will be a refurbished from then on. Some people have had to swap thru as many as six units before reaching satisfaction.

Best bet is NEC LCD2490WUXI if you can afford it or settle for the Viewsonic VP2365w (a 16:9 ratio).
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Thanks for that, seems like the HP is pretty risky buy and i really hate sending stuff back and fourth it could end up with a huge extra payment. The same goes for the Dell i guess, maybe low end IPS panel are just not to be trusted

Unfortunately the NEC end up at over 1000$ dollars, the viewsonic is pretty cheap though but reviews states that it does have a pretty dull picture due to low brightness.

Search continues.
 
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C1

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The reason I mentioned the Viewsonic is that Frys carries it in their store so you should be able to at least see it. On newegg it rates 5 stars (14 reviews). That is, all reporting in purchasers seem to really like it after actually trying it. Also, it seems to have a low defect rate & ergonomically it is actually quite nice. If you check new owner reports, you should observe that the brightness is not really an issue. The real issues seem to be 23" (vs 24") and that it is 16:9.
 
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C1 said:
The reason I mentioned the Viewsonic is that Frys carries it in their store so you should be able to at least see it. On newegg it rates 5 stars (14 reviews). That is, all reporting in purchasers seem to really like it after actually trying it. Also, it seems to have a low defect rate & ergonomically it is actually quite nice. If you check new owner reports, you should observe that the brightness is not really an issue. The real issues seem to be 23" (vs 24") and that it is 16:9.
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unfortunately my location is denmark so i have no place to view the screen in live demostration, which is also probrably the case for almost all other screens which is a shame.
Only able to find one dealer with the viewsonic around here and they dont have it stocked neither sure when they will. So even if it were a great choice itll be hard to get it. Thanks for the suggestion though :)
 
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C1 said:
Ive pretty much been thru the same roller coaster ride. Unfortunately displays are very complicated. There are many facets too numerous to mention that a good display must have to present/discuss here. The issue is compounded by the absence of brick & mortar stores in which an individual is able to see & test a monitor before they decide to purchase. Buying sight unseen from the internet is risky. In the case of ZR24w, one out of eight monitors will display some type of screen issue such as one or more hot pixels, non-uniform brightness, color cast or uneven color. HP will work with you, but if you decide to exchange then it will be a refurbished from then on. Some people have had to swap thru as many as six units before reaching satisfaction.

Best bet is NEC LCD2490WUXI if you can afford it or settle for the Viewsonic VP2365w (a 16:9 ratio).
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Are you indicating that some panels do not have the gamma shift? Should I be calling HP? One issue is I have had my panel since it came out. At the time everyone was stating that the panels had the gamma shifting issue, so calling was pointless.
 
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Labze

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So been during some more research on the following monitors

VE278Q
And VW266H

The VE278Q really seems like a strong contender, with great picture, deeps blacks and low response time and ghosting it seems like what i am going after. Hopefully some person can come in here saying its a great monitor and recommend it based on my needs.
 
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I bought a HP ZR24w LCD, and spent all day testing it and within 5 minutes my eyes were in agony. I don't know whether it was the glossy coating or the 60hz refresh rate, but I decided to send it back and apparently Ebuyer claimed it was faulty, but didn't say exactly what the fault was. If you're worried about ghosting I would definitely give it a miss. The one I got had really bad motion blur, especially in games like PES. FPS games were better, but the blur was still noticeable.

I'm not having much luck myself with LCD monitors. I have since bought an Acer GD245HQ and initially it seemed much better, but after thoroughly testing it, it has really bad grey uniformity problems which make most games I play an eye sore, with vertical strip like patterns across the entire screen. So now I have to pay to send it back. Hopefully I'll get a decent replacement.

It's a shame about the uniformity problems, because I quite like this monitor, much better for gaming than the HP, but having said that, if you're after motion blur free gaming, then you're out of luck. The 120hz LCD's still suffer from motion blur when playing games like PES & FIFA, but FPS games are great. I think the new BenQ XL2410T looks like a good monitor. Might be worth adding to your list.

HD Video -Battlezone 2 awful vertical banding.
http://www.mediafire.com/?z8y7j7oo90et8p8
 
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C1

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VW266H is TN panel but looking at user reports on individual vendor sites suggests too many problems with this model (although it is 16:10).

Note: Looks good here but individual sites report too many issues IMO - http://www.testfreaks.com/monitors/

I think any issues like gamma shift & dirty IPS look (ie, ZR24w) seem to be somewhat in the eye of the beholder, although there appears that there can be quite a variation among units. Some people just arent as acute or picky with noticing things. There does seem to be one out of ten or so complaining about eye strain reading text when using ZR24w. But who knows what's really going on without being able to see. It could just be that a simple manual phase/clock adjustment is all that was needed.
 
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Labze

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yeah the HP seems to be out of question for me at the moment, it might be a great screen but with all the troubles i MIGHT run into with it i just dont see it happening, i've only ever tried TN panels so if i chose another i might not be dissapointed either, was satisfied with my old BenQ v2400W

Anywho nobody that can comment on the VE278Q?
 
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I was also satisfied with my Benq FP91G+ which unfortunately is no longer working. I know it's only a 19" LCD screen, but it had better motion and none of the problems of the HP & Acer. These 24" LCD monitors seem to have a lot of flaws. Think I'll get myself a second hand CRT off ebay, if the situation doesn't improve.

HI C1, how does one go about making a manual phase/clock adjustment and what does this actually do? Will it cure vertical banding?
 
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So my choices now fall upon the Asus VE278Q or the BenQ XL2410T .. or so it seems, but i cant decide which one. Anyone who could help me based on my needs for which screen would be the best?
 
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C1

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Use monitor's auto-adjust or manual clock/pitch and phase controls, if necessary, to eliminate broad vertical banding (clock/pitch), and shimmering horizontal streaking (phase).
http://www.techmind.org/lcd/phasexplan.html

It is a control adjustment available in the OSD Menu system
 
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