Allahu Akbar strikes again at Louvre.

purbeast0

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When I was there this past summer, I was thinking about how easy it would be for a suicide bomber to do a shit load of damage at the Louvre. it's crazy how many people are condensed into one small area. I thought the same at many places I was at in Paris where the security did not seem to be very strong at all.

That said, I felt extremely safe while I was there.
 

cytg111

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When I was there this past summer, I was thinking about how easy it would be for a suicide bomber to do a shit load of damage at the Louvre. it's crazy how many people are condensed into one small area. I thought the same at many places I was at in Paris where the security did not seem to be very strong at all.

That said, I felt extremely safe while I was there.
Yea over the last decade or so I have had these concerns as well, like dumb jihadist if they really wanted to do damage they'd do .... and never shared it with anyone. Some of them have seen the light of day unfortunatly, like steering a truck into a crowd of people. It must be easier to get access to a truck than c4 one should think.. Anyway this is where our intelligence agencies comes in to save the day... thank god..
 

1prophet

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Meanwhile tangerine POTUS silent on terrorist attack in Canada. For whatever reason I guess that one doesn't count.

The terrorist in Canada attacked religion, the terrorist in France attacked a liberal institution , not some conservative Trump type of hangout, which represents the arts and culture (you know all those things those nasty conservatives hate) but our apologist pretend liberals are far more outraged over an attack on their favorite sky fairy religion.
 

K1052

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When I was there this past summer, I was thinking about how easy it would be for a suicide bomber to do a shit load of damage at the Louvre. it's crazy how many people are condensed into one small area. I thought the same at many places I was at in Paris where the security did not seem to be very strong at all.

That said, I felt extremely safe while I was there.

I was there around the same time and saw tons of security, including the military patrolling major sites.
 

purbeast0

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I was there around the same time and saw tons of security, including the military patrolling major sites.
I saw dudes with assault rifles too, in groups of 2 or 3 I believe. But I saw like 2 of those groups in an area full of probably thousands of people, so to me, that won't do much.
 

K1052

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I saw dudes with assault rifles too, in groups of 2 or 3 I believe. But I saw like 2 of those groups in an area full of probably thousands of people, so to me, that won't do much.

Not sure what your expectation is. Paris isn't going to have tanks rolling up and down the Champs-Elysées on patrol.

The city and country in general has been subject to terrorism from various ideologies and states going back many decades, there is only so much you can practically do without turning the place into a police state which is incompatible with their economic interests.
 

purbeast0

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Not sure what your expectation is. Paris isn't going to have tanks rolling up and down the Champs-Elysées on patrol.

The city and country in general has been subject to terrorism from various ideologies and states going back many decades, there is only so much you can practically do without turning the place into a police state which is incompatible with their economic interests.
I didn't say I had expectations. All I said was that it would have been so easy for a suicide bomber to come in and do massive damage to thousands of people due to minimal security.
 

Commodus

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The terrorist in Canada attacked religion, the terrorist in France attacked a liberal institution , not some conservative Trump type of hangout, which represents the arts and culture (you know all those things those nasty conservatives hate) but our apologist pretend liberals are far more outraged over an attack on their favorite sky fairy religion.

Nice of you to create straw men... helps you avoid dealing with opponents as real, complex human beings.

Both are bad. The outrage over the Canadian incident is more that the right wing has either distorted it or remained silent about it, and it knows why: because it's the product of their Islamophobia. Muslim terrorism is certainly an issue, but we shouldn't act as if constantly demonizing an entire religion won't have consequences.
 

bshole

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Nice of you to create straw men... helps you avoid dealing with opponents as real, complex human beings.

Both are bad. The outrage over the Canadian incident is more that the right wing has either distorted it or remained silent about it, and it knows why: because it's the product of their Islamophobia. Muslim terrorism is certainly an issue, but we shouldn't act as if constantly demonizing an entire religion won't have consequences.

I think demonizing an entire religion plays second fiddle to bombing an entire region for decades. You can say nice things about Islam all you want.... if you are simultaneously dropping bombs.... you are still generating multitudes of pissed off people with serious grievances who could easily morph into terrorists. I realize that I represent a tiny minority opinion in this regard (an opinion that is scoffed at by both liberals and conservatives) but I think it would be productive to at least consider the idea....
 

werepossum

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One minor scalp wound? Seems less like "Allah is great" than "Allah is okay, but I still want to see other deities". No virgins for him!
 

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religion of peace.
 
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Meanwhile tangerine POTUS silent on terrorist attack in Canada. For whatever reason I guess that one doesn't count.

Well, apparently he did call the PM privately but that's pretty much it other than Spicer using the attack to justify what the Trump regime is doing in the US with it's various refugee bans.
 

zinfamous

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When I was there this past summer, I was thinking about how easy it would be for a suicide bomber to do a shit load of damage at the Louvre. it's crazy how many people are condensed into one small area. I thought the same at many places I was at in Paris where the security did not seem to be very strong at all.

That said, I felt extremely safe while I was there.

I think about that every time I'm on the Metro, or taking Amtrak south, or anywhere, really. It is truly quite easy for a terrorist that is determined to strike most of the public places that we visit daily.
 

WelshBloke

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I didn't say I had expectations. All I said was that it would have been so easy for a suicide bomber to come in and do massive damage to thousands of people due to minimal security.
Well it wasn't that easy, the guy got shot 5 times in the chest!
 

kage69

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"The soldiers first tried to fight the unidentified man off before opening fire, said Benoit Brulon..."


I find that extremely impressive.

I'm all for ending things without violence, and especially not killing people. But if violence begins anyway and involves edged-weapons advancing on you? Nope.

Canoe delivery time.
 

agent00f

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Meanwhile tangerine POTUS silent on terrorist attack in Canada. For whatever reason I guess that one doesn't count.


The first world doesn't really understand these situations, and I include liberals in that estimate. This is a war between vastly superior modern armies and the ISIS types considering themselves as the resistance armed with essentially sticks. So the counterpart to these threads isn't some white nationalist killing muslims in canada, but the racial animosity of entire nations who think of lesser ethnicities as wholesale politically expendable. To make the point perfectly clear, if there were a thread every time some american/frenchman kills a middle easterner, the forum would be completely useless for anything else.

The valuable takeaway from this is what we get from pondering the social framework that assumes one equivalency but never the other. Per this research, while we can't expect conservatives to grasp this, many liberals at least should.
 

werepossum

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"The soldiers first tried to fight the unidentified man off before opening fire, said Benoit Brulon..."


I find that extremely impressive.

I'm all for ending things without violence, and especially not killing people. But if violence begins anyway and involves edged-weapons advancing on you? Nope.

Canoe delivery time.
Agreed. It's one of the reasons why I am neither a cop nor a soldier or Marine, despite admiring them. I'd have shot him before he uttered Allahu Snackbar. (And likely been crucified for it.)