All your Anti-Vaxxers are belong to us. Hard right wing is wooing the anti-vax movement as the movement takes a startling shift from center to right

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Yet another example of the right-wing mainstreaming, and using batshit to draw in followers and keep them in the cult.

Anti-Vaxxers Are Cozying Up to the Far Right Online
They’re anti-science and conspiratorial. Together, they’re building a right-wing populist, measle-stricken future.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/anti-...SO--rFtMspAcC3obBuNc_DAmOQwqPWLoRAlyLRDMT9Cvs


Often, sometimes multiple times a day, users in an anti-vaccination Facebook group post a link to a 2017 article about vaccine laws in Sweden.

“Nice!” one group member captioned the article last week.

“Amazing,” “interesting,” wrote two people who shared the article in the 150,000-member group on the same late January day.

The article wasn’t from a medical news source, though, or even another anti-vaccine group. It came from a white supremacist website, Red Ice.

The anti-vaxxer movement, comprised of people who falsely believe vaccines are dangerous, is ascendant. In 2019, the World Health Organization named “vaccine hesitancy” one of the top 10 threats to global health, the first time it made the list. The movement is credited with contributing to ongoing measles outbreaks worldwide, including an outbreak of approximately 70 people in Washington state. But that’s not all it’s spreading. Like other conspiracy movements, the anti-vaxxer movement has rubbed shoulders with the far right.

New studies reveal vaccine skepticism to be a strong predictor for populist politics in Europe, where many populist candidates run on a hard-right line. And fringe media outlets are seizing on the sympathy from the anti-vax movement, pushing even more extreme conspiracy theories under the guise of vaccine skepticism.

White supremacist website Red Ice has churned out at least 100 articles and radio clips bashing vaccines in recent years. Links to those articles appear regularly in closed anti-vaxxer Facebook groups, a number of which boast more than 150,000 members. Unlike Facebook pages, which any user can read, these closed groups can be hotbeds of political activity and harassment, in which members coordinate attacks on pro-vaccine doctors and activists, as the Guardian reported.

Racist Rabbit Hole

Far-right news sites can find a serious audience in these highly active conspiracy communities. One 2017 Red Ice article has repeatedly made the rounds in large anti-vax groups, sometimes racking up more than 1,000 likes. Although the article skews right wing (it lauds a clip from the Tucker Carlson’s show) and alarmist (vaccines “can seriously injure your child”), it isn’t overtly white supremacist. But should anti-vaxxers chose to explore the rest of the site, they would find a white supremacist swamp, full of anti-immigrant and Islamophobic fear-mongering.

Most anti-vaxxers are not white supremacists, far from it. But the overlap can send some well-meaning parents down the rabbit hole. Far-right groups frequently engage in “entryism,” a tactic that involves seeding a sympathetic mainstream group with extremist ideology, then slowly radicalizing its members. The tactic works well in groups like the anti-vax community.

At their surface level, anti-vax claims tap into populist grievances with bipartisan support; in the U.S., where health care can be prohibitively expensive, vaccines are sometimes seen as an extension of well-moneyed pharmaceutical companies. But the world of conservative-leaning conspiracy sites take the claims further. Red Ice, Infowars, and their ilk build on the mistrust of pharmaceutical companies to claim vaccines are part of a world-domination scheme by a shadowy global elite. As these claims typically go, the conspiracy theory gets anti-Semitic, with white supremacists interpreting “elite” to mean Jewish people.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/measl...lose-yeshivas-that-dont-ban-unvaccinated-kids
But entryist techniques aren’t entirely to blame for the anti-vax movement’s right-wing streak. A pair of recent studies suggests anti-vaxxers tend to hold worldviews compatible with right-wing populism.

A March study by Australian researchers used a theory that tests for five character traits, including a person’s respect for “purity,” and their deference to authority. Anti-vax parents tested high for belief in purity (defined by researchers as “an abhorrence for impurity of body”) and low on respect for authority.

Conservatives typically score high on respect for purity and authority, while liberals score lower. But populist movements, including Donald Trump’s presidential campaign, borrow some of the left’s anti-authority language, casting themselves as anti-elite. On Facebook, anti-vaxxers might rage against the authority of pharmaceutical companies or school vaccination policies, but Trump is a less common target. (Trump has promoted anti-vax conspiracies, too, falsely claiming in 2014 that vaccines cause autism.)

Other conservatives have painted their anti-vax stances as anti-authoritarian by claiming vaccinations are communist. “The idea that we force someone to give up their liberty for the sake of the collective is not based on American values but rather, Communist,” Kelly Townsend, a Republican anti-vaxxer in Arizona’s state House, wrote in a Thursday Facebook post.

The trend is even clearer in Europe, where a study published in February in the European Journal of Public Health suggests “a connection between the rise of political populism and vaccine hesitancy.”

The study found an overlap between measles outbreaks in France, Greece, and Italy, and the rise of populist parties in those regions. In all three, more than 15 percent of respondents said they did not believe vaccines are effective. (Vaccination programs are most effective when at least 95 percent of the population is vaccinated.)

“It seems likely that scientific populism is driven by similar feelings to political populism – ie profound distrust of elites and experts by disenfranchised and marginalised parts of the population,” the study’s author wrote, according to the Guardian. A December 2018 investigation by the Guardian found similar overlap between populist votes and anti-vaxxers in the U.S. and Poland.In Ireland, the merger of anti-vaxxer conspiracy and right-wing populism marches in the streets. Participants in Dublin “Yellow Vest” protests in January shouted anti-immigrant slogans while simultaneously protesting vaccines, Ireland’s Journal reported. The Yellow Vests, initially a French protest movement with support from the populist left and right, has taken on a more conspiratorial right-wing tone abroad, with Canadian and British Yellow Vests using the movement to push anti-immigrant rhetoric and the QAnon conspiracy theory. Members of right-wing extremist groups have marched in the Canadian and British demonstrations.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-far-right-is-trying-to-co-opt-the-yellow-vests
Some Facebook groups for Ireland’s Yellow Vest movement were “dominated by fringe conspiracy theory views and share debunked articles from untrustworthy news sources,” including false health claims about fluoride, the Journal reported.

Some of those health claims linked back to Awareness Act, a conspiracy site currently pushing the bogus claim about blondes and redheads belonging to a master race unrelated to the rest of humanity.

Eventually, all of it—the conspiracy theories, the skepticism of some unseen authority, the right-wing populism—coalesces. On Natural News, the American anti-vaxxer site with nearly 3 million likes, an article claims the government will start forcefully vaccinating children against their parents’ will.

The article, which argues against gun laws, has spent the past two days at the top of the Natural News site with a provocative title:

“A serious question: When will the first ‘vaccine enforcers’ be shot by parents defending their children against the felony assault of forced immunizations?”
 

jackstar7

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I'm 100% for the alt-right taking themselves out via common diseases.

I assume they'll rub some crypto on their sores.
 

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I think most people expected science to be the cause of that plague, not a swell of anti-science twits.
It kinda is, I suspect if we do generate a population-killing plague through our own incompetence, it'll probably be from a vaccine/antibacterial resistant superbug, not one we know how to fight.
 

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Not just the far right. Well Tim's never going to get my vote.

Ryan flirts with vaxxers

So yeah, one candidate on the fringe who, as far as policy goes, has remained pro-science when it comes to voting on law and policy.

Meanwhile the science denialism and conspiracy thinking has been completely mainstreamed on the right.

And anti-vaxx sites are increasingly taking hard-right turns and mixing in other conspiracies.

Anti-vax IS a conspiracy theory. And the evidence strongly shows that once one falls for one conspiracy theory, the likelihood of them falling for others becomes almost 1-1.
 

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I think most people expected science to be the cause of that plague, not a swell of anti-science twits.

I think a couple of issues are this: First, society is so comfortable and safe now that people have no concept of the former dangers that ravaged us.

Second, science has so far outpaced the ability of the average uneducated person to understand that now it is indistinguishable from magic. And thus magical thinking, conspiracy theories and science are the same to them. And what happens when people are scared of something they do not understand? They burn the witches.
 
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AS the OP notes, happening around the world and being noticed

Italy’s right wing is waging a dangerous attack on vaccinations

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.06a5021d748a

Rise of European populism and vaccine hesitancy

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/03/190301123250.htm

Rightwing populists ride wave of mistrust of vaccine science

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ists-ride-wave-of-mistrust-of-vaccine-science

Yep. There is a growing nationalist/racist/fascist cancer in the western world that is being fed by a conspiracy theory driven propaganda network.

I wonder, when will it be stopped? When will the majority stand up to those with the required disgust and shunning?
 

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Yep. There is a growing nationalist/racist/fascist cancer in the western world that is being fed by a conspiracy theory driven propaganda network.

I wonder, when will it be stopped? When will the majority stand up to those with the required disgust and shunning?
Give it a minute and the "censorship!!" and "tolerate and debate! even ideas antithetical to society" brigades will let you know there's no consensus that this needs to be stopped.
 
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Yep. There is a growing nationalist/racist/fascist cancer in the western world that is being fed by a conspiracy theory driven propaganda network.

I wonder, when will it be stopped? When will the majority stand up to those with the required disgust and shunning?

Sadly I think you are right. Can the estimated 17% of people globally believe the chemtrail theory to be true or partly true be accurate? Is the problem that bad? I'm scared to look up flat earth.


"Chemtrails:
Also known as SLAP (Secret Large-scale Atmospheric Program), this theory alleges that water condensation trails ("contrails") from aircraft consist of chemical or biological agents, or contain a supposedly toxic mix of aluminum, strontium and barium,[8] under secret government policies. An estimated 17% of people globally believe the theory to be true or partly true. In 2016, the Carnegie Institution for Science published the first-ever peer-reviewed study of the chemtrail theory; 76 out of 77 participating atmospheric chemists and geochemists stated that they had seen no evidence to support the chemtrail theory, or stated that chemtrail theorists rely on poor sampling.."
 

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I suppose we're just going to have to have pandemics of diseases once thought to be wiped out...measles, scarlet fever, polio, whooping cough, etc...to finally teach these anti-vax simpletons that they do indeed work. Being almost completely free of those diseases these days has degraded our social memory to the point few actually remember the death or disfigurement that people suffered when contracting these diseases. Guess they've gotta come back with a vengence to re-instill that memory.
 
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Anti-vaxx isn't "center" it's just dumb people being dumb people. The right is now trying to capitalize it like bottom feeders.
 
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Anti-vaxx isn't "center" it's just dumb people being dumb people. The right is now trying to capitalize it like bottom feeders.

Conspiracy theory ideation is a defective way of thinking & of looking at the world. If you believe in any it's easy to get you to believe in more. It's how the right wing operates.
 

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I think a couple of issues are this: First, society is so comfortable and safe now that people have no concept of the former dangers that ravaged us.

Second, science has so far outpaced the ability of the average uneducated person to understand that now it is indistinguishable from magic. And thus magical thinking, conspiracy theories and science are the same to them. And what happens when people are scared of something they do not understand? They burn the witches.
It's interesting, but you can see a common trend with our species regarding threats and mitigation techniques. For simple things, some people find mitigation techniques cathartic even if the threat doesn't exist anymore (walls, guns). For more advanced things, the mitigation technique becomes the perceived threat, even when it's actively protecting us *against* the threat. The actual threat becomes such a distant memory that people forget why we have the mitigation technique to begin with. Vaccines are a perfect example of this, others would be governmental checks and balances, imho the 2A (I understand most will disagree on that one), international defense alliances (EU, NAFTA, NATO, etc)... I'm sure a thousand more things I can't think of off the top of my head.

I wonder if there's a way to halt this, is it just education? Or is this more of a societal shift?
 

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Personally (can't speak for anyone else) I'm all for mandatory vaccinations. At the very least, if your kid isn't vaccinated, your kid doesn't go to public schools. Or private schools. Or get on airplanes, or ride busses. Or eat in restaurants. Your choice. Or maybe no choice, get that kid vaccinated or you go to jail and we'll vaccinate the kid.
 
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this was prophetic lol

This is why conspiracy theories cannot just be ignored.
An equal or greater effort MUST be made in debunking them. For every fact check and debunking, there are literally millions of videos and websites spreading this shit.

Countering conspiracy bullshit MUST become a priority and a shit ton of money and production effort poured into it.
 
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The greatest damage caused by conspiracy theories IMO is the erosion of public trust.
For example, some people might say that the harm caused by anti-vaxxers is the spread of disease. Which is true. But the greater harm IMO is that anti-vaxxers spread the lie that everyone involved in the development, research, manufacture, distribution, sale, and administration of vaccines is knowingly complicit in a vast (yet secret) conspiracy to harm all of humanity.
To the anti-vaxxer, every scientist, every doctor, every nurse who participates in providing vaccines to the public is evil. Millions of of good hard working people who honestly believe they are just doing their jobs to stop the spread of disease... Pure evil as far as the anti-vaxxer is concerned.
And that's fucked up. Especially when you consider that all of that malice and hate directed at the medical community is orchestrated by lying grifters so they can hawk snake oil. Just fucked up.