All you lawn guys: Help me identify this weed and KILL IT! Bermuda Lawn

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StarsFan4Life

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I have a 9000 square foot lot with a well established Bermuda lawn. With it only being the beginning of April, the Bermuda hasn't really started to take shape. However, the following WEED has!

Below are images of the weed. I "think" its Dalligrass, but I am not sure. It's can't be crabgrass, as that doesn't grow in the early spring time. I am in the DFW area, so I figure this is a location grown type grass/weed. I just need help!


I tried spraying the concentrate "Weed B Gone plus Crabgrass control" a week ago, and the damn thing keep growing. It's taken over my back lawn, but not so much in the front lawn. I have to mow it every 4-5 days! Help me rid of it.

Will MSMA kill this without killing the Bermuda lawn. Do I have to just pull it out one by one with something like the Weed Hound?


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Tobolo

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Looks like dalligrass to me but its hard to identify through the pictures. MSMA is about the only effective control for dallisgrass, but its not labeled for home use (EDIT: Apparently some states allow it for home use). You would need to reapply MSMA every 7 to 10 days for effective control. It doesn't carry a transition warning, I don't think, but it will discolor the turf. For safety, you might want to wait for 100% greenup first.
 
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Tobolo

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BTW the small grass like weed with the white seed heads in the first picture is Poa annua and the MSMA won't kill it.

Make sure you use a surfactant with MSMA (Crop oil 80/20) unless it is mixed in already. (MSMA 6, Target 6, etc. have surfactant in it.
 
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lxskllr

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StarsFan4Life said:
It's a WEED. It's unhealthy for my lawn. I want a PURE Bermuda lawn....
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Define weed. I consider grass a weed. That monoculture abomination has outlived it's welcome. It started so white trash could feel like rich plantation owners, and it took off from there. A natural multi species lawn is healthier, easier to maintain, and hardier during adverse weather conditions.
 
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lxskllr said:
Define weed. I consider grass a weed. That monoculture abomination has outlived it's welcome. It started so white trash could feel like rich plantation owners, and it took off from there. A natural multi species lawn is healthier, easier to maintain, and hardier during adverse weather conditions.
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Fuck....are you kidding me? I am asking what the WEED is and how to KILL IT. I'm not here to argue about whether it's a weed or not....or whether I should leave it.

Seriously man.
 
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Tobolo

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StarsFan4Life said:
Fuck....are you kidding me? I am asking what the WEED is and how to KILL IT. I'm not here to argue about whether it's a weed or not....or whether I should leave it.

Seriously man.
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LOL

The definition of a weed is any plant species that grows somewhere that itsnot wanted. So KILL THAT WEED!!!
 
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That shit will take over your lawn and kill your grass in the process. Your lawn mower will only help spread it around. You could try pulling it out by the roots as you would any other weed but I would do this before mowing...every time. If it is well established you will probably have to kill the entire area and re-sod it.
 
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Matthiasa

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It's a different type of grass... you aren't going to get rid of it without killing the rest...
Oh yeah and if you let it seed, game over. :(
 
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was it green when your bermuda was dormant? most likely yes, and that should have been the time when you should have sprayed it with round up, now you will most likely hurt the bermuda. although if you want to now, a spray here and there now, will cause brown spots but should eventually fill back in with bermuda after a month or so.
 
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KK said:
was it green when your bermuda was dormant? most likely yes, and that should have been the time when you should have sprayed it with round up, now you will most likely hurt the bermuda. although if you want to now, a spray here and there now, will cause brown spots but should eventually fill back in with bermuda after a month or so.
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A spray of Round-Up now?
 
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StarsFan4Life said:
A spray of Round-Up now?
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NOO!!! Bermudagrass is tolerant to RoundUp in small quantities during winter dormancy. At this point the subcanopy is growing and a shot of RoundUp will kill the lawn.

Someone suggested johnsongrass and that was my second thought, but MSMA will kill both.
 
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iGas

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A plant that grow where you don't want is call a weed.

It look like a deep rooted grass that have long rhizomes. The colour of your lawn indicated that your lawn is weak with possible poor topsoil therefore the weeds are taking over. I would try my best to pull as many weeds up as possible, check the soil pH level and balance if required, air raid, weed spot treatment, weeds and feeds, and make sure to give the grass adequate water and additional fertilizer to promotes grass growth and choke out the weeds.

A well feed body doesn't get sick as easily as a malnourished body.
 
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Red Squirrel

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Pour gasoline on it, and light it on fire. :p

In all seriousnous, it looks like it has a central root, I would just dig it out, don't pull as it will probably just break.
 
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Tobolo said:
NOO!!! Bermudagrass is tolerant to RoundUp in small quantities during winter dormancy. At this point the subcanopy is growing and a shot of RoundUp will kill the lawn.

Someone suggested johnsongrass and that was my second thought, but MSMA will kill both.
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I've done the roundup while the bermuda was green. Sure it killed the bermuda, but eventually the bermuda filled back in. I'm sure it would depend on how well established the lawn is as to how quick it would recover. bermuda grass is a weed in itself.
 
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RedSquirrel said:
Pour gasoline on it, and light it on fire. :p

In all seriousnous, it looks like it has a central root, I would just dig it out, don't pull as it will probably just break.
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I haven't seen grass that have taproot, and the grass/weed that in the photos suggested that it is deep rooted and well establish with possible rhizomes.
 
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KK said:
I've done the roundup while the bermuda was green. Sure it killed the bermuda, but eventually the bermuda filled back in. I'm sure it would depend on how well established the lawn is as to how quick it would recover. bermuda grass is a weed in itself.
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Thats true, the bermudagrass will fill back in, but the damage is (professionally) considered unacceptable so we don't suggest it.

In all honesty, contact your local county extension agent and let them make the call. They are trained for this and can come check the weed out personally. For Texas you find your county office here http://county-tx.tamu.edu/
 
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drnickriviera

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lxskllr said:
Define weed. I consider grass a weed. That monoculture abomination has outlived it's welcome. It started so white trash could feel like rich plantation owners, and it took off from there. A natural multi species lawn is healthier, easier to maintain, and hardier during adverse weather conditions.
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Tell that to all the people around here that have already had to mow their yard last week because of all the henbit. My yard is still dormant and I won't have to cut it for probably another month.

OP heed tobolo's warning about poa annua, nip that sucker in the bud.
 
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