All this talk about bipartisanship is pretty funny

[slash196]

Ignoring for the moment the fact that the dems no longer NEED to be bipartisan (unless of course they every want to get anything signed), and ignoring also the fact that they most likely not walk the walk when next year rolls around, it seem to me that for all the Dem brouhaha about bipartisanship, I doubt that Republicans are going to be all that willing to cooperate with them. Can you say filibuster? This further cements my belief that the only thing that's going to get done in the next two years are investigations, and that these investigations will bring out facts that will ultimately lead to a larger Democratic majority in 2008, as well as a Democratic president.

 

[Starbuck1975]

This further cements my belief that the only thing that's going to get done in the next two years are investigations, and that these investigations will bring out facts that will ultimately lead to a larger Democratic majority in 2008, as well as a Democratic president

And of course the liberals will all celebrate this shift of balance in power, and will have an opportunity to engage in their own agenda of unchecked power, which will in turn lead to subsequent scandals, failures and frustration on the part of the American people...rinse, wash, repeat.

 

[JD50]

You would think that people would have learned by now that one party controlling everything is bad for the country, apparently not.

 

[2Xtreme21]

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

This further cements my belief that the only thing that's going to get done in the next two years are investigations, and that these investigations will bring out facts that will ultimately lead to a larger Democratic majority in 2008, as well as a Democratic president

And of course the liberals will all celebrate this shift of balance in power, and will have an opportunity to engage in their own agenda of unchecked power, which will in turn lead to subsequent scandals, failures and frustration on the part of the American people...rinse, wash, repeat.

Only thing is, we won't have a president that wants nothing more than to go to war with sovereign countries to line his pockets with cash.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

This further cements my belief that the only thing that's going to get done in the next two years are investigations, and that these investigations will bring out facts that will ultimately lead to a larger Democratic majority in 2008, as well as a Democratic president

And of course the liberals will all celebrate this shift of balance in power, and will have an opportunity to engage in their own agenda of unchecked power, which will in turn lead to subsequent scandals, failures and frustration on the part of the American people...rinse, wash, repeat.

Only thing is, we won't have a president that wants nothing more than to go to war with sovereign countries to line his pockets with cash.

Japan and Germany were "sovereign countries", so don't even start. It's just that the war declared against us by Islamic Jihadists is not perceived to be a threat by the American people, and so now we're going to allow nuclear proliferation to turn it into a nuclear war.

Suppose you think pacifism is a brilliant move, and it would be until they follow it up with action behind their chants of ?death to America?.

There?s no room for compromise and ?bipartisanship? when it comes to accepting inaction, blackmail, and enemy states arming themselves with the most advanced weaponry in preparation for the coming war to kill us.

 

[CaptnKirk]

And should it come to that, there will be another election cycle where, again, all of the Congressmen
and another batch of approximately 34 Senators (Mostly Republicans - but even more Conservative)
will be in the meat-grinder, and should the GOP not play nice and continue with thier Extremist Appeasment to
thier Right Wing Fanatics, those will also be tossed. If nothing else it has been shown that the 50% Moderate Middle
control the who and what of a pepresentative Government, the Loony Left and the Radical Right
ebb and flow - like the tide . . when the American Voter wakes up and gets involved.

The single most tragic thing about this 'Toss Out the Bums' element of the Election Cycle is that is did cost some
good moderate GOP Senators and Congressmen thier jobs in the wake of the blow-back

Let the Partisan Hack beware, you might be next - what cost them thier positions wasn't straying away
from the Conservative Right Wing, it was pandering to them in the first place. I'll never trust them again.

 

[daniel49]

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

This further cements my belief that the only thing that's going to get done in the next two years are investigations, and that these investigations will bring out facts that will ultimately lead to a larger Democratic majority in 2008, as well as a Democratic president

And of course the liberals will all celebrate this shift of balance in power, and will have an opportunity to engage in their own agenda of unchecked power, which will in turn lead to subsequent scandals, failures and frustration on the part of the American people...rinse, wash, repeat.

lol, so true

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

This further cements my belief that the only thing that's going to get done in the next two years are investigations, and that these investigations will bring out facts that will ultimately lead to a larger Democratic majority in 2008, as well as a Democratic president

And of course the liberals will all celebrate this shift of balance in power, and will have an opportunity to engage in their own agenda of unchecked power, which will in turn lead to subsequent scandals, failures and frustration on the part of the American people...rinse, wash, repeat.

Only thing is, we won't have a president that wants nothing more than to go to war with sovereign countries to line his pockets with cash.

Depends on what you classify as war. It could very well be they go to war with small business. Something I think would make Iraq looks like childs play in terms of economic impact.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Let the Partisan Hack beware, you might be next - what cost them thier positions wasn't straying away
from the Conservative Right Wing, it was pandering to them in the first place. I'll never trust them again.

With all due respect, I think you are clueless. Congress has not acted like conservatives for 2+ years.

What cost the Republicans was first Iraq. Way above anything else.

Second, the lack of anything else worth running on. No boarder reform, no social security reform, too much spending, too many scandals etc etc. I don?t think they have done anything worth talking about since the 2003 tax cuts.

For the past few years they stopped acting like conservatives and acted like politicians, that is what cost them.

Now if the Democrats start to act like the liberals that they are then in 2008 we will most likely swing back.

In 2008 the Democrats will have to run on their ideas. Not on the platform ?we aren?t Republicans? and there Democrats have NOT won a Presidential election by running on their ideas since JFK and LBJ. And with the house within 15-20 seats and the Senate all but tied the party that takes the white house will most likely take congress too.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

This further cements my belief that the only thing that's going to get done in the next two years are investigations, and that these investigations will bring out facts that will ultimately lead to a larger Democratic majority in 2008, as well as a Democratic president

And of course the liberals will all celebrate this shift of balance in power, and will have an opportunity to engage in their own agenda of unchecked power, which will in turn lead to subsequent scandals, failures and frustration on the part of the American people...rinse, wash, repeat.

Only thing is, we won't have a president that wants nothing more than to go to war with sovereign countries to line his pockets with cash.

Japan and Germany were "sovereign countries", so don't even start. It's just that the war declared against us by Islamic Jihadists is not perceived to be a threat by the American people, and so now we're going to allow nuclear proliferation to turn it into a nuclear war.

Suppose you think pacifism is a brilliant move, and it would be until they follow it up with action behind their chants of ?death to America?.

There?s no room for compromise and ?bipartisanship? when it comes to accepting inaction, blackmail, and enemy states arming themselves with the most advanced weaponry in preparation for the coming war to kill us.

Hmm, I suppose developing alternative energy resources and staying the &*%# out of the middle east is out of the question? I'm guessing that if we had invested hundreds of billions of dollars into alternative energy science, that we'd have a damn sight more to show for than the Iraqi debacle.

Also, ever hear of 'blowback', a term the CIA uses?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blowback_%28intelligence%29

America is no more 'free' than many other places in the world, now that Eminent domain basically invalidates the private ownership of property even for purely COMMERCIAL ambitions. So why do you think the islamic fundamentalists are able to channel so much hate purely at the U.S.? Something about foreign policy? Naaaaaaaah, that's too obvious, they must just hate our freedom

The GWOT is a facade for funnelling massive amounts of money to a small cadre of people, and this theft is perpetrated by the facilitation of cheap scare tactics like you just used.

Also, don't mistake the idea of not engaging in unprovoked and pointless wars with pure 'Pacifism'. The vast majority of U.S. citizens are patriots who would overwhelmingly support positive action against a proven aggressor, as was the case against the Taliban in Afghanistan.

In the end, the fact that the rest of the world pours untold trillions of dollars into the middle east for a product that the Islamic world has inherited leads to many social problems. The ruling elite is spoiled, and the average citizen in those countries gets trampled easily by secular overlords or religious wackos. Turning off the limitless money supply would go a long way towards engendering true political and economic reform. As it is, the ruling classes can just sit on their asses watching the cash pile up, and the only motivation they have is to suppress the people and direct their anger elsewhere.

Unfortunately, there are way too many people of power sitting in the way of the necessary changes, who are dependent on this status quo. By this token, and continued foreign policy disasters like Iraq (which the NIE confirmed was CREATING new terrorists and threats against us) may well end up becoming a self-created prophecy of an eventual nuclear attack by a rogue terrorist force. It's stupid and unneccesary, but eventually plausible given the greed that feeds the political and religious engines on all sides.

 

[Vic]

The Dems are hoping the Pubs won't cooperate. It'll only make them look good. The nation is so divided that the polarized extremists on either side don't matter anymore.

 

[slash196]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

This further cements my belief that the only thing that's going to get done in the next two years are investigations, and that these investigations will bring out facts that will ultimately lead to a larger Democratic majority in 2008, as well as a Democratic president

And of course the liberals will all celebrate this shift of balance in power, and will have an opportunity to engage in their own agenda of unchecked power, which will in turn lead to subsequent scandals, failures and frustration on the part of the American people...rinse, wash, repeat.

Only thing is, we won't have a president that wants nothing more than to go to war with sovereign countries to line his pockets with cash.

Japan and Germany were "sovereign countries", so don't even start. It's just that the war declared against us by Islamic Jihadists is not perceived to be a threat by the American people, and so now we're going to allow nuclear proliferation to turn it into a nuclear war.

Suppose you think pacifism is a brilliant move, and it would be until they follow it up with action behind their chants of ?death to America?.

There?s no room for compromise and ?bipartisanship? when it comes to accepting inaction, blackmail, and enemy states arming themselves with the most advanced weaponry in preparation for the coming war to kill us.

Do you not even have a brain, or do you just not use it?

1. Japan and Germany were the aggressors. It is within any nation's right to repel a war of aggression. WE started the Iraq war, and it looks like we're going to lose it.

2. If the US would just get their junk out of the Middle East's rear, I'm willing to bet a lot of that "death to america" stuff would disappear. Imagine if we actually started respecting sovereignty and cultural differences...oh wait, there's money to be made off poor people in the Middle East, so this one's a no go.

3. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 or the jihadists...until we invaded and gave them a nice big bullseye to aim for.

You've clearly been worked into a fearful lather by the last six years of Republican domination. Give it a few months to wear off.

 

[Starbuck1975]

1. Japan and Germany were the aggressors. It is within any nation's right to repel a war of aggression. WE started the Iraq war, and it looks like we're going to lose it.

America was hardly neutral in WW2 prior to Pearl Harbor...we were very much involved in supporting the British war machine...Pearl Harbor simply gave Roosevelt the excuse to pursue a declaration of war, as prior to Japan's attack, American sentiments were very much to stay out of WW2.
Also, the rise of Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan hardly occurred in a vacuum...if you look at the historical timeline leading from WW1 to WW2, America and Europe largely helped to create the Axis war machine...sound familiar???

2. If the US would just get their junk out of the Middle East's rear, I'm willing to bet a lot of that "death to america" stuff would disappear. Imagine if we actually started respecting sovereignty and cultural differences...oh wait, there's money to be made off poor people in the Middle East, so this one's a no go.

Many European countries have no direct stake in the Middle East, yet that does not protect them from terrorism...Spain, France, the Balkans, etc. The ideology of Islamic extremism will manifest itself as violence against western nations regardless of our involvement in the region.

3. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 or the jihadists...until we invaded and gave them a nice big bullseye to aim for.

True statement...one out of three isn't bad.

 

[CaptnKirk]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Let the Partisan Hack beware, you might be next - what cost them thier positions wasn't straying away
from the Conservative Right Wing, it was pandering to them in the first place. I'll never trust them again.

With all due respect, I think you are clueless. Congress has not acted like conservatives for 2+ years.

What cost the Republicans was first Iraq. Way above anything else.

Second, the lack of anything else worth running on. No boarder reform, no social security reform, too much spending, too many scandals etc etc. I don?t think they have done anything worth talking about since the 2003 tax cuts.

For the past few years they stopped acting like conservatives and acted like politicians, that is what cost them.

Now if the Democrats start to act like the liberals that they are then in 2008 we will most likely swing back.

In 2008 the Democrats will have to run on their ideas. Not on the platform ?we aren?t Republicans? and there Democrats have NOT won a Presidential election by running on their ideas since JFK and LBJ. And with the house within 15-20 seats and the Senate all but tied the party that takes the white house will most likely take congress too.

One thing you can certainly count on is that the Rightwing Faction, that in fact destroyed the Republican Party,
will always blame others for the failure, and continue to try to tell everyone how wrong they are, and that only the extremists are right -
attack and deflect balme.

FlufferJohn is a posterboy for what happened to the GOP - and it's all the GOP's faulkt for not becoming MORE extreme
and pandering to the fruitcakes that caused the collapse.
'Hug the base, grope and die.

Way to go, what else you gonna blame for thier loss and your lost causes?

 

[Vic]

Worthless trivia -- speaking of aisles, the width of the aisles in parliamentary countries like Britain and Canada is traditionally 2-1/2 sword lengths. And people say modern politics is rough!

 

[theeedude]

I hope GOP filibusters minimum wage increase all the way to 2008.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
...
And with the house within 15-20 seats and the Senate all but tied the party that takes the white house will most likely take congress too.

If I remember correctly, 2008 will see more Republicans up for re-election in the senate than Democrats. One interesting thing about this year was that the Dems managed to win control back despite having MORE seats to defend. In 2006 there were 17 Dem seats up and 15 Republicans seats up, while 2008 will see 12 Dem seats up to 21 Republican seats up. In other words, there would have to be a MAJOR wave against the Dems for the Republicans to actually be able to take back control of the Senate.

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

This further cements my belief that the only thing that's going to get done in the next two years are investigations, and that these investigations will bring out facts that will ultimately lead to a larger Democratic majority in 2008, as well as a Democratic president

And of course the liberals will all celebrate this shift of balance in power, and will have an opportunity to engage in their own agenda of unchecked power, which will in turn lead to subsequent scandals, failures and frustration on the part of the American people...rinse, wash, repeat.

Only thing is, we won't have a president that wants nothing more than to go to war with sovereign countries to line his pockets with cash.

He lined his pockets with cash, huh? Care to show me proof, or even an article from a reputable news agency that even hints that at?

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

This further cements my belief that the only thing that's going to get done in the next two years are investigations, and that these investigations will bring out facts that will ultimately lead to a larger Democratic majority in 2008, as well as a Democratic president

And of course the liberals will all celebrate this shift of balance in power, and will have an opportunity to engage in their own agenda of unchecked power, which will in turn lead to subsequent scandals, failures and frustration on the part of the American people...rinse, wash, repeat.

Only thing is, we won't have a president that wants nothing more than to go to war with sovereign countries to line his pockets with cash.

Depends on what you classify as war. It could very well be they go to war with small business. Something I think would make Iraq looks like childs play in terms of economic impact.

Exactly. I'm just praying Republicans either take the Senate or Presidency in 2008 to ensure Democrats don't get free reign to fvck this country up...

 

[Ferocious]

Reagan worked with Dems.

Clinton worked with Reps.

Get over it.

 

[slash196]

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

1. Japan and Germany were the aggressors. It is within any nation's right to repel a war of aggression. WE started the Iraq war, and it looks like we're going to lose it.

America was hardly neutral in WW2 prior to Pearl Harbor...we were very much involved in supporting the British war machine...Pearl Harbor simply gave Roosevelt the excuse to pursue a declaration of war, as prior to Japan's attack, American sentiments were very much to stay out of WW2.
Also, the rise of Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan hardly occurred in a vacuum...if you look at the historical timeline leading from WW1 to WW2, America and Europe largely helped to create the Axis war machine...sound familiar???

#1, the US had very, very little to do with the rise of Nazi Germany, other than the rejection of the League of Nations, which, though it was a fairly large act, was only ONE act. Europe bears probably about 80 percent of the blame for the rise of hitler.

#2, you missed my point that we were not the aggressors in WWII. Just because we weren't bone-white neutral doesn't mean we instigated it.

2. If the US would just get their junk out of the Middle East's rear, I'm willing to bet a lot of that "death to america" stuff would disappear. Imagine if we actually started respecting sovereignty and cultural differences...oh wait, there's money to be made off poor people in the Middle East, so this one's a no go.

Many European countries have no direct stake in the Middle East, yet that does not protect them from terrorism...Spain, France, the Balkans, etc. The ideology of Islamic extremism will manifest itself as violence against western nations regardless of our involvement in the region.

3. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 or the jihadists...until we invaded and gave them a nice big bullseye to aim for.

True statement...one out of three isn't bad.


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[Tab]

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

1. Japan and Germany were the aggressors. It is within any nation's right to repel a war of aggression. WE started the Iraq war, and it looks like we're going to lose it.

America was hardly neutral in WW2 prior to Pearl Harbor...we were very much involved in supporting the British war machine...Pearl Harbor simply gave Roosevelt the excuse to pursue a declaration of war, as prior to Japan's attack, American sentiments were very much to stay out of WW2.
Also, the rise of Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan hardly occurred in a vacuum...if you look at the historical timeline leading from WW1 to WW2, America and Europe largely helped to create the Axis war machine...sound familiar???

The United States was agaisnt the Treaty of Versailles and War Reparations agaisnt Germany - I don't understand how the United States helped the Nazi's come to power.

 

[randym431]

Reaching across the asile? First they have to take off the door locks the republicans used to lock out democrats. You have to remember, most of what the republicans did the last years was behind closed doors with huge signs on the locked door saying "NO DEMOCRATS ALLOWED". I.e. medicare drug bill as a good example.