All oversees ballots are counted: final unconfirmed numbers

[fragarific]

67 of 67 counties oversees ballots are counted. Bush has received 670 more votes out of those counties than Gore. 2170 votes were counted in total.

<edit> butt-cheese pickle
<edit^2> Message edited by: fragarific on 11/18/2000 15:01:45

 

[SKiller]

Keep in mind that most absentee ballots were sent, recieved and counted by election day. I'm pretty sure the number of ballots is about what it was expected to be. Hmm can't remember where I read that.. I'll have to check later.

 

[chess9]

Anyone have all the words to &quot;The Party's Over&quot;? I need to practice.

 

[ride525]

chess9,

It ain't over....

Gore still needs to pick up probably 600 or more votes or something like that.

The Florida Supreme Court has rule that the manual counts are appropriate.
The Florida Supreme Court still has to rule that the manual counts are received in a timely manner.

It just gets more and more interesting....

 

[Russ]

Bush slaughtered Bore in the absentees by an almost two to one margin. Too bad many thousands of ballots seem to have mysteriously vanished.

Russ, NCNE

 

[loup garou]

<< butt-cheese pickle >>



I second that.

 

[ride525]

Russ, Russ, Russ

Many of the overseas ballots were already counted. It's been widely reported.

And there are still nine counties left to count.

 

[chess9]

Ride:

I know, I know.

But I still need to practice.

Success is preparation meeting opportunity. I may never have another opportunity to sing to Russ.

 

[ride525]

<< I may never have another opportunity to sing to Russ. >>



I'm still putting the final touches on a new sig....

 

[Russ]

<< Many of the overseas ballots were already counted. It's been widely reported. >>



What about the 3000 that were &quot;found&quot; (and acknowledged by the Pentagon) in sacks on a Navy vessel day before yesterday? Even if those miraculously made it today (the Navy said they would fly them in), where are they in the totals?

Like I said, the evidence just keeps mounting, and just keeps being ignored.

Russ, NCNE

 

[TSDible]

Russ....

I almost always support your excellent oppionions and I can't wait for Bore to lose this election.

However... I doubt that the 3000 ballots found were all for florida. You have to remember that military personnel reside all over the country. Even if they are stationed in FL, they may vote in their home state of record.

My wife does this... (USAF TDY in Germany)

 

[SJ]

The majority of oversea ballots will not make it in, why? They were shipped 4th class mail. They weren't shipped properly, I beleive thats what Russ is refering to.

 

[Russ]

TSDible,

You might be right on that. The information is less than clear on whether these were from all over the country, or just Florida. The indication was that the ship(s) were headed for Florida though. But, I still have to wonder about this:



<< An Associated Press survey of all 67 Florida counties through midday Thursday found 2,575 overseas ballots yet to be counted in the Nov. 7 presidential election. >>



This number would not even include those received late Thursday or today. Oh where, oh where could they be? Of course this could be another one of AP's screwups.

Russ, NCNE

 

[Russ]

Now here is an interesting picture. Look at all those &quot;oops, that chad fell out < wink, wink >&quot; Bore votes.

Russ, NCNE

 

[Nick Stone]

Russ
I'm afraid that 50% of the ballots are being disallowed because they either don't have the signiture of the voter or of the witness on the outside of the envelope as required.

Who's going to stick up for the intent of the voter on this one.

 

[Russ]

<< Anyway guys, Oliver Stones is looking for a new Screenplay for a movie he's making. Maybe you can give him a call, he might be interested. >>



Nope, he wouldn't even consider it. His movies never contain any truth.

Russ, NCNE

 

[Russ]

Found an interesting quote in an article that appeared in the Miami Herald (emphasis added):



<< If the votes misread in the hand count affect both sides equally, however, then the margin between the candidates won't change.

This happens frequently, said Tony Sirvello, former president of the International Association of Clerks, Recorders, Election Officials and Treasurers, who has run elections in Harris County, TX, for the last 27 years.

Sirvello says he has overseen more than 50 hand recounts of punch ballots over the years. He said that while the hand recounts normally turn up different numbers than the machines, the margins between the two candidates has never changed enough between the machine count and hand count to overturn an election.

``The person who won under the machine count has always maintained their lead in the hand count,'' Sirvello said. ``The errors in the hand count are usually random, and they don't favor one side or the other. So the numbers may change, but the decision stands.'' >>



Funny, but for some strange reason this doesn't seem to be working out in Florida.

Russ, NCNE

 

[ride525]

<< What about the 3000 that were &quot;found&quot; (and acknowledged by the Pentagon) in sacks on a Navy vessel day before yesterday? Even if those miraculously made it today (the Navy said they would fly them in), where are they in the totals? >>



Excellent question. I don't know if they were received or when they were counted. I'm sure that question will come up. Hopefully they were all filled in and and postmarked by November 7 when they were supposed to.

I can't imagine the Navy purposely &quot;losing&quot; them. The Navy Brass would want and expect they would be counted, especially since they would tend to go for their candidate of choice, Mr. Bush.

And TS Dibble has an excellent point. Come on, they weren't all headed for Florida. Florida cast about 6% of the national vote. So if those ballots headed evenly by population over the entire US only 6% or so would head for Florida, or about 180 ballots.

Relax a little.....It still ain't over....

 

[Russ]

ride525,

Actually, the &quot;Brass&quot; are nothing more then politicians themselves. That's how they became &quot;Brass&quot;.

Russ, NCNE

 

[ride525]

<< Now here is an interesting picture. Look at all those &quot;oops, that chad fell out < wink, wink >&quot; Bore votes. >>



Another Russ allegation with absolutely NO PROOF. These are the famous 78 chad that were found when one of the Broward county was counting ballots. I don't know if anyone (besides you) that has alleged that these were added Gore votes.

EDIT: I should look at the picture more carefully. Russ correctly pointed out below there are 283 chad.

They could have been punches already counted properly by machines. They could have been Bush votes, Gore votes or any of the many others candidates (or even propositions?) that were voted on. I haven't heard or seen any proof that someone punched them out for Gore. Have you?

 

[Russ]

<< These are the famous 78 chad that were found when one of the Broward county was counting ballots. >>



Actually, there are 283 in that bag; most probably have democrat fingerprints all over them. Too bad they're so small.

Russ, NCNE

 

[ride525]

<< Funny, but for some strange reason this doesn't seem to be working out in Florida. >>



One reason I've heard is that women may not have punched out the chad completely. And different from most elections, women seemed for favor Gore quite heavily.

Russ, you are sharp enough to understand the second point. If you take a county that was heavily Democratic (lets say 2/3 Dem - 1/3 Rep) then you would naturally expect that the problem ballots would go 2/3 Dem - 1/3 Rep for that county.

 

[Russ]

<< One reason I've heard is that women may not have punched out the chad completely. >>



You know, I discussed that assertion with a couple female friends. Both laughed so hard they nearly choked. One commented that only an idiot would think that a woman isn't strong enough to poke a hole in paper.

Perhaps on some strange planet somewhere the female of the species is so weak that they are incapable of exerting the pound or so of force necessary to punch out a chad, but I don't think any of them voted in Florida.

Russ, NCNE

 

[etech]

Many Overseas Ballots Rejected Friday November 17 11:47 PM ET

>>TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP) - More than 1,100 overseas absentee ballots were thrown out Friday as Republicans complained of a coordinated challenge by Democrats, particularly against ballots from military personnel.
Orange County, for example, rejected 117 of its 147 overseas ballots
...
Earlier this week, Mark Herron, a Tallahassee lawyer helping shepherd Democratic presidential election lawsuits through the local courts, sent a five-page letter to Democratic attorneys throughout Florida giving them tips on how to lodge protests against overseas ballots.
...
Ed Gillespie, a Republican strategist working for Bush in Florida, said 110 of 113 write-in ballots, mostly from military forces, were invalidated by officials in Miami-Dade County. He said more than half were thrown out because they had no witness or witness address listed but ``the form doesn't indicate that a witness is necessary.''
...
More than three-quarters of Orange County's 147 overseas absentee ballots were rejected by that county's canvassing board. Supervisor of Elections Bill Cowles said he was shocked by that number but attributes the 117 rejections to voters failing to keep their records current.
>>

If you can't beat them, declare them invalid.

 

[AndrewR]

Republicans are currently considering a suit over the rejection of military ballots that do not have a postmark which are being discarded with wild abandon by the hand counters.

Gee, if they were all in the same bag from the same ship and left at the same time, and some of them are postmarked correctly -- what day do you think the others were sent?? Hmmm, that's a toughie! Sounds like the determination of voter intent to me.

Then again, we're dealing with Floridians here.