All I ask is that you remember

[randym431]

In 5 years from now, surely 10 years, all I ask is that those fundie right wing kooks remember who it was that:
Allowed drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.
Started a war they lie to us about, even to this day.
Embraced Delay and his dirty deeds.
Cleared the sky of birds with the "Clear Skies" act.
Lost all your social security money in the stock market.
Squeezed the middle class into poverty levels.
Caused a family with high medical bills to lose their home to the creditors.
Let the rivers become rivers of mercury.

The list never ends....

Since short memory fundies tend to forget, and always blame Democrats for their woes,
I just ask that they remember who was in charge when these deeds were done.

 

[judasmachine]

They cannot even remember enough to know that their leader said yesterday. Mainly because said leader says something completely differant today. It sometimes feels like 1984.

 

[raildogg]

You expect us to take you seriously when you promote the Al Franken show? He's the Rush Limbaugh of the other side.

Middle class is in poverty levels? Well a lot of the people I know are doing much better now since Bush's election. The middle class is not in poverty ... yet. Thats a exaggeration on your part.

I agree that millions of acres of lakes and many rivers have high mercury levels and conditions are worsening. DeLay is not embraced by a lot of Republicans. Even Newt Gingrich is speaking out against him.

Your post is a bunch of exaggerated talking points. The Arctic Drilling bill still faces a fight in the senate. I am hoping we do not drill for oil in the Arctic Wildlife Refuge. The main reasons being that it will take at least 5 or more years to bring the oil to market and the supply is probably around 6 months worth. Bush's social security plan is not selling, not even his party is totally backing it. Most Americans don't seem to support it. Bush's wishes to partially privatize SS may not even happen. You really think people will lose all their money in the stock market in 10 years?

The Clear Skies act is flawed since it gives the biggest polluters too much time to alter their policies to meet the standards. It does not address global warming much. There are several good parts of the this act however. It needs to be changed. I doubt this specific act will clear the skies of birds. They're been around for billions of years and will remain longer than man.

Please don't forget the failures of the Clinton administration which directly led to 9/11. I don't want you or anyone to ever forget that. Yes, Clinton had more economic success as president than Bush, but his foreign policy nearly brought this country to its knees.

As long as Democrats think and act this way, they will never regain majority. Its really shameful. We have so many young enthusiastic Democrats who are independant thinkers that think outside of party lines, yet their voices cannot be heard due to all the insane, bitter and divisive people in the party. When will new Democrats emerge that are not political hacks, that actually care for America's foreign strategic interests and are willing to use the military in order to protect them, that will strengthen our military and be willing to act on our own? I agree with the Democratic party on almost all issues except foreign policy. And also the fact that Castro lovers like Chris Dodd have too much say in the party.

Its kind of ironic that you mention ditto head in your sig.

It appears that you're a ditto head yourself.

 

[yllus]

I will always be glad that Saddam was deposed by the U.S. Iraqis, I am sure, feel and will feel the same way far into the future.

Nobody will remember DeLay in 5 years, much less 10.

Social Security money is your money. If you want to risk it on the stock market, so be it. However, I believe the present proposal will allow no such thing.

The middle class has supposedly been destroyed by every administration since their invent.

What have the Republicans done to single them out as a cause for families with high medical bills to experience financial distress?

How can you not like rivers of mercury? I for one look forward to that happening and the resultant super powers and epic battles. Mercury Man vs. Dr. Mercurial, MercGirl vs. The MercBots...

 

[chrisms]

Originally posted by: raildogg
Even Newt Gingrich is speaking out against him.

Many people don't seem to understand that DeLay and Gingrich have been enemies for a long time

 

[CycloWizard]

Anyone else want to start some bigotry-based thread? I went and bought a whole bag just for you.

 

[imported_Condor]

Sort of like you libs remembewr when the Democratic administrations wanted to convert our production economy into a service based economy in the 1990's.

 

[nutxo]

Originally posted by: Condor
Sort of like you libs remember when the Democratic administrations wanted to convert our production economy into a service based economy in the 1990's.

I remember that very well. Im not liberal though. Clinton said we'd be moving manufacturing overseas.


Half the liberals I know dont know who was pres when nam began and who ended it. They dont remember who was pres when the iron curtain came down. They dont remember who passed DMCA or the origins of doma.

They just scream and rant and blame everything on republicans.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: nutxo

Originally posted by: Condor
Sort of like you libs remember when the Democratic administrations wanted to convert our production economy into a service based economy in the 1990's.

I remember that very well. Im not liberal though. Clinton said we'd be moving manufacturing overseas.


Half the liberals I know dont know who was pres when nam began and who ended it. They dont remember who was pres when the iron curtain came down. They dont remember who passed DMCA or the origins of doma.

They just scream and rant and blame everything on republicans.

Eisenhower started our direct involvement in Vietnam. Something tells me you're unaware of that.

As for the Iron Curtain coming down, are you trying to give credit to Reagan for that? Well, maybe in the fact he was able to outspend (via deficit spending) and building a bigger military and the Soviet Union was losing money in Afghanistan and in trying to maintain their own military.

DMCA was introduced by Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-UT) and passed by a Republican-controlled Congress. Yes, Clinton did sign it into law but Clinton was far from a true liberal. He was rather pro-business, himself (WTO, NAFTA)

 

[dannybin1742]

Sort of like you libs remembewr when the Democratic administrations wanted to convert our production economy into a service based economy in the 1990's

better check your history book that was reagan

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: randym431
In 5 years from now, surely 10 years, all I ask is that those fundie right wing kooks remember who it was that:
Allowed drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.
Started a war they lie to us about, even to this day.
Embraced Delay and his dirty deeds.
Cleared the sky of birds with the "Clear Skies" act.
Lost all your social security money in the stock market.
Squeezed the middle class into poverty levels.
Caused a family with high medical bills to lose their home to the creditors.
Let the rivers become rivers of mercury.

The list never ends....

Since short memory fundies tend to forget, and always blame Democrats for their woes,
I just ask that they remember who was in charge when these deeds were done.

While you set around for 5 or 10 years and try to figure out how to convince others where the blame needs to be placed for all the problems that someone else has convinced you that exist in the world, I will be doing what I am doing now. That is, making a productive contribution to this society. A society that will go forward, with, or without you.

There are those of us that do, and so many more of you that do nothing but b!tch.

 

[homercles337]

Originally posted by: raildogg
Please don't forget the failures of the Clinton administration which directly led to 9/11.

I agree with most of your points, but this one could not be further from the truth. In fact, it sounds like a Fatass Limbaugh sound byte. Do have any clue what Clinton really did with terrorism and what he was not able to do because of aliances and lack of proof? (PBS Frontline has a great episode on this, look it up). He was ALL over OBL, and his head of counter terrorism (Richard Clark, remember him?) HOUNDED Bush about looking into OBL. Which he conveniently ignored and focused on Iraq instead.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: homercles337

Originally posted by: raildogg
Please don't forget the failures of the Clinton administration which directly led to 9/11.

I agree with most of your points, but this one could not be further from the truth. In fact, it sounds like a Fatass Limbaugh sound byte. Do have any clue what Clinton really did with terrorism and what he was not able to do because of aliances and lack of proof? (PBS Frontline has a great episode on this, look it up). He was ALL over OBL, and his head of counter terrorism (Richard Clark, remember him?) HOUNDED Bush about looking into OBL. Which he conveniently ignored and focused on Iraq instead.

raildogg has some issues with certain truths.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: randym431
In 5 years from now, surely 10 years, all I ask is that those fundie right wing kooks remember who it was that:
Allowed drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.
Started a war they lie to us about, even to this day.
Embraced Delay and his dirty deeds.
Cleared the sky of birds with the "Clear Skies" act.
Lost all your social security money in the stock market.
Squeezed the middle class into poverty levels.
Caused a family with high medical bills to lose their home to the creditors.
Let the rivers become rivers of mercury.

The list never ends....

Since short memory fundies tend to forget, and always blame Democrats for their woes,
I just ask that they remember who was in charge when these deeds were done.

Well said <Lighter Emoticon>

 

[homercles337]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: homercles337

Originally posted by: raildogg
Please don't forget the failures of the Clinton administration which directly led to 9/11.

I agree with most of your points, but this one could not be further from the truth. In fact, it sounds like a Fatass Limbaugh sound byte. Do have any clue what Clinton really did with terrorism and what he was not able to do because of aliances and lack of proof? (PBS Frontline has a great episode on this, look it up). He was ALL over OBL, and his head of counter terrorism (Richard Clark, remember him?) HOUNDED Bush about looking into OBL. Which he conveniently ignored and focused on Iraq instead.

raildogg has some issues with certain truths.

Ah, good to know since im a ATP&N n00b. I will keep this in mind.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: homercles337

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: homercles337

Originally posted by: raildogg
Please don't forget the failures of the Clinton administration which directly led to 9/11.

I agree with most of your points, but this one could not be further from the truth. In fact, it sounds like a Fatass Limbaugh sound byte. Do have any clue what Clinton really did with terrorism and what he was not able to do because of aliances and lack of proof? (PBS Frontline has a great episode on this, look it up). He was ALL over OBL, and his head of counter terrorism (Richard Clark, remember him?) HOUNDED Bush about looking into OBL. Which he conveniently ignored and focused on Iraq instead.

raildogg has some issues with certain truths.

Ah, good to know since im a ATP&N n00b. I will keep this in mind.

You're also in PA, a State in danger of going Republican.

Rally up as many people as you can to fight the tyranny of the Religious Republicans.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: homercles337

Originally posted by: raildogg
Please don't forget the failures of the Clinton administration which directly led to 9/11.

I agree with most of your points, but this one could not be further from the truth. In fact, it sounds like a Fatass Limbaugh sound byte. Do have any clue what Clinton really did with terrorism and what he was not able to do because of aliances and lack of proof? (PBS Frontline has a great episode on this, look it up). He was ALL over OBL, and his head of counter terrorism (Richard Clark, remember him?) HOUNDED Bush about looking into OBL. Which he conveniently ignored and focused on Iraq instead.

Many different Thoughts on that very subject, exist.

I guess it comes down to which person you want to make excuses for.

 

[conjur]

Dick "I like dresses" Morris?

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: randym431
In 5 years from now, surely 10 years, all I ask is that those fundie right wing kooks remember who it was that:
Allowed drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.
Started a war they lie to us about, even to this day.
Embraced Delay and his dirty deeds.
Cleared the sky of birds with the "Clear Skies" act.
Lost all your social security money in the stock market.
Squeezed the middle class into poverty levels.
Caused a family with high medical bills to lose their home to the creditors.
Let the rivers become rivers of mercury.

The list never ends....

Since short memory fundies tend to forget, and always blame Democrats for their woes,
I just ask that they remember who was in charge when these deeds were done.

While you set around for 5 or 10 years and try to figure out how to convince others where the blame needs to be placed for all the problems that someone else has convinced you that exist in the world, I will be doing what I am doing now. That is, making a productive contribution to this society. A society that will go forward, with, or without you.

There are those of us that do, and so many more of you that do nothing but b!tch.

 

[Ozoned]

Glad you finally found that "bigoted bone". Heh heh.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: judasmachine
They cannot even remember enough to know that their leader said yesterday. Mainly because said leader says something completely differant today. It sometimes feels like 1984.

Indeed. Most of them simply do not learn. If there is no electoral shift in 20 years, there will be statues and monuments named after Bush no matter how bad he screws up because their's is a blind love. Hopefully by then, the majority will see what Bush had done and I won't have to fly out of some Dubya' International Airport when I skip over flyover country.

 

[homercles337]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: homercles337

Originally posted by: raildogg
Please don't forget the failures of the Clinton administration which directly led to 9/11.

I agree with most of your points, but this one could not be further from the truth. In fact, it sounds like a Fatass Limbaugh sound byte. Do have any clue what Clinton really did with terrorism and what he was not able to do because of aliances and lack of proof? (PBS Frontline has a great episode on this, look it up). He was ALL over OBL, and his head of counter terrorism (Richard Clark, remember him?) HOUNDED Bush about looking into OBL. Which he conveniently ignored and focused on Iraq instead.

Many different Thoughts on that very subject, exist.

[edit] You right wing, ignorant, asses really astound me. Does the word science mean ANYTHING to you?

I guess it comes down to which person you want to make excuses for.

That site you posted is PROFOUNDLY biased. I offered an unbiased perspective, can you do the same?

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: randym431
Caused a family with high medical bills to lose their home to the creditors.

ch. 13 really isn't all that different from ch. 7.

 

[Yellow Dog]

Originally posted by: dannybin1742

better check your history book that was reagan

Ike sent 'advisors' to Nam. Our government leaders and the complete denial that "we cannot make a mistake" continued this country on the wrong path. And 58,000+ young Americans were sacrificed so that a leader wouldn't have to say "oops, I made a mistake".

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: randym431
Caused a family with high medical bills to lose their home to the creditors.

ch. 13 really isn't all that different from ch. 7.

Hunh?