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All HDCP's Base Are Belong To Us
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http://gear.ign.com/articles/698/698656p1.html
This is interesting too. So basically, everything can be cracked in the quality of component video (darned good) until they make this Image Constraint Token necessary, unless I'm missing something. I love it how they're shoving this incompetent crap (might as well have been designed by kindergarteners) down our throats after knowing how weak it was after five years. If they actually had some sense and developed a more secure algorithm after finding out, then I wouldn't be calling them morons. It seems even some software protection is more elaborate than that. General public suffers, once again... and not to mention open source OSes like Linux get the finger. After that happens, do you think I'll be telling people about how great HDCP is? Nope, so they will lose customers. The word will spread, even if it originates from the minority (Linux users).
/rant , /irritated
This is interesting too. So basically, everything can be cracked in the quality of component video (darned good) until they make this Image Constraint Token necessary, unless I'm missing something. I love it how they're shoving this incompetent crap (might as well have been designed by kindergarteners) down our throats after knowing how weak it was after five years. If they actually had some sense and developed a more secure algorithm after finding out, then I wouldn't be calling them morons. It seems even some software protection is more elaborate than that. General public suffers, once again... and not to mention open source OSes like Linux get the finger. After that happens, do you think I'll be telling people about how great HDCP is? Nope, so they will lose customers. The word will spread, even if it originates from the minority (Linux users).
/rant , /irritated
It doesn't necessarily look "bad", but you're missing literally half of your vertical resolution...on a lot of displays it'll be a big difference. Hell, I can even tell a difference between 720p and 1080i/p on my 2005FPW and it doesn't even quite have all the pixels needed to display 1080p native...
I'm not really sure why they even bothered with Copy Protection. No matter what they do, it's gonna get cracked or hacked or pwnd into the ground.
Of course you can - 720p is nowhere near the native resolution of the 2005fpw, and scaling that to the screen's native 1680X1050 looks much worse than down-scaling a larger resolution to the LCD's native one.
On fixed-pixel screens such as DLP's, the differences are much more subtle. A good HD4 generation 720p DLP does not look drastically (or in many cases even noticeably) worse than a 1080p native DLP.
LCD computer monitors are infamous for looking bad at below-native resolutions.
I think the entire switch to HDTV has been a complete debacle from the start. Not only do we not have a standard HDTV resolution, consumers who were early adopters are getting shafted now because they don't have HDMI inputs.
If I were in charge of things, I'd make one standard HDTV resolution and have all broadcasters conform to that.
If I were in charge of things, I'd make one standard HDTV resolution and have all broadcasters conform to that.
i bet us tech people that work at tv/ht sections of electronics stores get pissed with trying to feed this confusing information about HDCP to the average joes out there. we need to make a brochure and just hand it out instead of explaining the same damn crap.
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Why? Haveing multiple resolutions under a single standard doesn't create any problems technically, as they are all compatible with each other. If there hadn't been multiple resolutions, I doubt companies and broadcasters would have been as willing to make the switch.
I've got a 1080p panel in my family room ( a 37" Sceptre that retails around $1500 ), and I think the difference is pretty striking at 6-8' viewing distance. Beyond that you don't really get the benefit of the increased pixel density. Nobody is transmitting in 1080p, obviously, and very few are sending 1080i, but when you do tune in a true 1080 broadcast, such as something on Discovery HD theater, it's pretty amazing.
Toshiba has a HD-DVD player out that is said to be working with existing plasmas thru the HDMI port.....Does this mean anything???
I just bought a HItachi 55" plasma a month ago and I would quite pissed if I will get screwed and not be able to play HD-DVD or Blue-Ray....
As for Vista...I pray for the downfall Of Microsuck everyday....I will try to avoid Vista as long as I can and stay with my tried and true WinXP pro....
The scary thing was that all things including optical drives needed to be compliant...This may be the biggest consumer screw in a long time...PPL are buying LCD panels like mad and they are going to get screwed and told to buy another....We wont put up with this....
Down with MS and may Mac and Linux be a more formiddable competition in the future...
I just bought a HItachi 55" plasma a month ago and I would quite pissed if I will get screwed and not be able to play HD-DVD or Blue-Ray....
As for Vista...I pray for the downfall Of Microsuck everyday....I will try to avoid Vista as long as I can and stay with my tried and true WinXP pro....
The scary thing was that all things including optical drives needed to be compliant...This may be the biggest consumer screw in a long time...PPL are buying LCD panels like mad and they are going to get screwed and told to buy another....We wont put up with this....
Down with MS and may Mac and Linux be a more formiddable competition in the future...
You can bet I'll be getting one of these "dongles"......Anyway, once again, Copy-Protection is put to shame and YET AGAIN does nothing but inconvenience the consumer. The good motto is "Hackers will find a way", despite how far companies go. HDCP is just another example among many. These companies are killing consumers and costing them alot of money, yet in the end the Hackers will still crack the "code".
Yeah and if Apple were in MS's shoes they'd be the exact same way and do the exact same things. Corporate influences and big money will stop any of these so called saviors from eliminating HDCP from your life.
If you destory WalMart, Target will just take its place.
So why hate on the big dog? Live and enjoy life. Suck down your HDCP joyfully, or use a crack.
Its not that big of a deal and a consequence for living in capitalism. There are alternatives (Somalia, Zimbabwe, CANADA lol)
You are putting the blame on the wrong company Duvie. It's not MS, it's the MPAA. They basically told MS, you either put these rules into your OS, or no movie watching for you. Since MS is trying to break into the HTPC market, they really had no choice. You're not going to be able to watch HDCP movies on Windows XP, Mac or Linux. Well maybe Macs if Apple decides to comply. But Linux user aren't going to be watching jack squat unless the code is broken.
As for your plasma, you should be good to go. If you have an HDMI port, you should be in the clear. Also, it's not the player that's going to keep you from watching the movie, it's the content provider. If the movie company wants to enforce the HDCP flag on a movie, they just turn it on in the media and if your system is not compliant, you'll either get no picture or you'll get busted down to DVD quality.
Like I said, this is not MS's thing, it's the MPAA's baby. You want to get pissed, get pissed at the MPAA. It is ALL their doing.
1080i is 1920x540- his display can't handle 1080i and depsite this he can still see the difference(that was his point I believe).
Originally posted by: Crusader
Yeah and if Apple were in MS's shoes they'd be the exact same way and do the exact same things. Corporate influences and big money will stop any of these so called saviors from eliminating HDCP from your life.
If you destory WalMart, Target will just take its place.
So why hate on the big dog? Live and enjoy life. Suck down your HDCP joyfully, or use a crack.
Its not that big of a deal and a consequence for living in capitalism. There are alternatives (Somalia, Zimbabwe, CANADA lol)
No, it's a consequence of unbalanced capitalism. If you have a government that cares just as much about consumers' rights as about the corporate bottom line, then you don't have these problems. It's the government that makes it illegal to crack copy protection at all, even if it's the entertainment industry that prompted them to do that.
And if we feel that it's worth it to "hate on the big dog", how is this your problem? STFU; doing what we feel is right is what makes us feel alive.
While I agree with this statement, we have to take into account that none of the 1080p pictures you are viewing come from a 1080p source. Very few of the current 1080p televisions support 1080p inputs, they just upconvert 1080i and 720p signals to the 1080p native resolution. So then it really comes down to how good the tv's scalar does upconverting the video. I'm waiting to see what the next Sammy HLS series look like running off of 1080p HD-DVD or Blue-Ray.
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