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All BEHAVIOR is PLEASURE seeking or PROBLEM solving...

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I got that from a counselor once. After thinking about it for a long period of time, I can't seem to find it to be false. Can humans be distilled into such simple terms!!!?
 
Yes, through the same weaselly logic used to prove that all actions are done to get something / there are no selfless acts.

For example: Donating blood (or a kidney) makes you feel better about yourself, therefore you get something in return.

It's true, but true in the same way that no one can prove that anyone exists except themselves. "I think, therefore I am" can't be extended to others because your senses might be feeding you incorrect information, you might only be imagining what you think is reality.

I choose to believe that I'm not alone in the universe, and that even though donating to a food bank might make me feel better, my primary motivation is selfless and not self-gratification.
 
Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
Yes, through the same weaselly logic used to prove that all actions are done to get something / there are no selfless acts.

For example: Donating blood (or a kidney) makes you feel better about yourself, therefore you get something in return.

It's true, but true in the same way that no one can prove that anyone exists except themselves. "I think, therefore I am" can't be extended to others because your senses might be feeding you incorrect information, you might only be imagining what you think is reality.

I choose to believe that I'm not alone in the universe, and that even though donating to a food bank might make me feel better, my primary motivation is selfless and not self-gratification.
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Agreed, ultimately YOU decide the way in which you participate in the universe, regardless of the way in which it is interpreted.
Do you believe that either Sartre or Kierkegarrd were fundamentally more valuable than you? I doubt it. If not, why?
 
Originally posted by: yellowfiero
I got that from a counselor once. After thinking about it for a long period of time, I can't seem to find it to be false. Can humans be distilled into such simple terms!!!?
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People engage in a lot of activities that go counter to pleasure seeking or problem solving.

i.e. People getting drunk, doing stupid things and isolating themselves when they run into trouble, rather than pushing oneself to seek help and solve their issues. Don't you see these sorts of behaviour everywhere? (including myself)
 
Originally posted by: joohang
Originally posted by: yellowfiero
I got that from a counselor once. After thinking about it for a long period of time, I can't seem to find it to be false. Can humans be distilled into such simple terms!!!?
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People engage in a lot of activities that go counter to pleasure seeking or problem solving.

i.e. People getting drunk, doing stupid things and isolating themselves when they run into trouble, rather than pushing oneself to seek help and solve their issues. Don't you see these sorts of behaviour everywhere? (including myself)
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But isn't the original motiviation for "getting drunk" pleasure seeking, even if the outcome is bad?
 
i think it does boil down to that...

i have a couple large tattoos, and they hurt like hell! the act of getting them was NOT pleasureable at all

but the end result makes me happy, so the pain was worth it to me... so i guess in fact the pain WAS pleasureable due to the outcome of it
 
i think the phrase is seamless...works in every way...

whether you believe or not is a different story...

kind of like the phrase "EVERYTHING we do is SELF CENTERED"

like the giving blood one...
we volunteer, sacrfice, and suffer in order to help others or achieve a goal, which would then fulfill our selfish nature...

make sense?




i don't believe it though..
 
we volunteer, sacrfice, and suffer in order to help others or achieve a goal, which would then fulfill our selfish nature...
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Of course but that behavior is certainly more welcome because it benefits the giver and receiver not just the giver. 😉
 
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