1700+'s are discontinued. Three stores i've contacted (mwave, vibecomputers and dangeo) both have said that they will not be getting anyone 1700+ t-bred (b)'s in due to them being discontinued. Also, newegg doesn't have any 1700+ t-bred (b)'s either, that's why they sell the t-bred (A). So I guess I should correct myself. AMD is still making 1600+ and 1700+, but they will be the T-Bred A. It's pretty recent though, so there is still alot of stock left. I mean, the 1600+ palimino's were discontinued like 3 months ago and there is still lots of them around.... but 1700+ T-Bred (B) is getting discontinued. If you dont believe me then find a store that doesnt have it in stock and email them and ask them when they will get more in. They will tell you that they arent, or that there is no ETA.