Aliens Found?? - Strong signal from system 95 light years away

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http://observer.com/2016/08/not-a-d...ible-extraterrestrial-signal-from-deep-space/

https://www.newscientist.com/articl...al-sends-alien-hunting-telescopes-scrambling/

The signal was detected on May 15, 2015 by a radio telescope operated by the Russian Academy of Science. It appeared to come from the star HD 164595, a sun-like star located roughly 95 light-years from Earth. The system has only one known planet: a warm Neptune, so called because it is gaseous like Neptune but orbits its star in only 40 days. But the star probably has other planets — perhaps rocky ones — as well.

If that beacon is transmitting radio waves in all directions, the energy it would need to produce is a whopping 10^30 watts, says Seth Shostak, an astronomer at the SETI Institute in California. “That’s a big energy bill even if you’re getting a bulk discount from your local supplier,” he jokes. “It’s hundreds of times more than all the energy falling on the Earth from sunlight.

That means the hypothetical beings responsible might be what SETI scientists call a Kardashev Type II civilisation, so advanced that they can tap all of the energy being produced by their host star.

If instead the beacon was targeted at Earth, then the power needed drops to 1013 watts, Shostak says. “That is more or less the total amount of energy used by humankind — all the cars, all the planes, all the electronic devices, everything,” Shostak says. “This is not a high-school science project.”

So before astronomers jump to any conclusion, they’re attempting to detect the signal again. Last night, the SETI Institute used the Allen Telescope Array in northern California to track the star. They saw nothing, but will observe again tonight.

That lack of detection doesn’t close the book on an extraterrestrial civilisation just yet. “You can’t say because you didn’t find something that there’s nothing there,” Shostak says. “Say Captain Cook sailed around all day in the South Pacific and he didn’t find any new islands. That doesn’t prove that there are no new islands, it just proves that he didn’t find any that day.”

A civilisation might also try to send signals at multiple frequencies, says Douglas Vakoch, the president of METI International, a group that wants to send messages to ET as well as detect their signals. Perhaps last night, they simply weren’t broadcasting at the same frequency we initially detected.


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If there is indeed an alien civilization, time to ramp up space and weapon funding? Good news bad news. Maybe first "official" contact by the end of the next 2 decades?
 

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Well, if "they" really are there, they'll be getting signals that we're around in another decade or so, with it being 95 light years away.

If it really is a Type II, we should know that they're there before they know we're here, assuming they're putting out signals we can recognize.

Assuming it's a Type II that lacks practical interstellar travel, they won't be coming here for thousands of years, so if "they" are there, we should start being friendly and communicating asap. Not that we're going to hear anything back specific to our communications for 180 years or so.
 

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More than likely it's nothing.

However, if we ever happen to find life that close to us, the implication would be that life is richly abundant in the galaxy/universe.

I would much prefer we find nothing and the only threat to us is ourselves.
 

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Almost certainly Earth-based:

Suntzeff added that he would not be surprised if the signal was due to a terrestrial origin, because it was observed in part of the radio spectrum used by the military. "God knows who or what broadcasts at 11Ghz, and it would not be out of the question that some sort of bursting communication is done between ground stations and satellites," he said. "I would follow it if I were the astronomers, but I would also not hype the fact that it may be at SETI signal given the significant chance it could be something military."
http://arstechnica.com/science/2016...gnal-that-may-originate-from-a-sun-like-star/
 
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Respectable science journals have already reported on this - it's garbage. Unfortunately, a few journalists, many with zero science background, recognized this as perfect click-bait.
Do I need a comment for this one:
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cirrrocco

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Prolly just making sure civilians dont get into a frenzy. expect the invasion soon. Tom Cruise / Will smith will be pulled out of retirement to deal with this menace
 
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Prolly just making sure civilians dont get into a frenzy. expect the invasion soon. Tom Cruise / Will smith will be pulled out of retirement to deal with this menace
I was just kinda thinking about this, so I'll ask..
Do you think the govt would intentionally cover up contact from another planet, if they could. Or do you think they would share the biggest event man has ever encountered in the entirety of history?
 

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I would not be surprised if the US Air Force has satellites in other parts of the solar system for tracking purposes. Why? Who knows, but it's an organization that has the kind of resources to do that.
 

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I was just kinda thinking about this, so I'll ask..
Do you think the govt would intentionally cover up contact from another planet, if they could. Or do you think they would share the biggest event man has ever encountered in the entirety of history?


I wholeheartedly believe that if they could cover it up they most definitely would. The question is, could they cover up something like a transmission from another galaxy? There are so many people that could get access to the raw data, I would assume at least, that it seems like it would be a huge undertaking. Add to that the fact that the vast majority aren't .mil people and it gets even harder.
 

Darwin333

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I would not be surprised if the US Air Force has satellites in other parts of the solar system for tracking purposes. Why? Who knows, but it's an organization that has the kind of resources to do that.

I dunno, it takes a whole lot of fuel to get to other "parts" of the solar system when you could just build a bigger satellite and park it relatively close. As far as "tracking", well it's a pretty big ass sky so I hope they have a bunch.
 

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More than likely it's nothing.

However, if we ever happen to find life that close to us, the implication would be that life is richly abundant in the galaxy/universe.

I would much prefer we find nothing and the only threat to us is ourselves.

What threat would there be? Sounds irrational since it's logical that if aliens needed precious resources, our universe is overly abundant with them. They could harvest platinum, gold..etc from many other lifeless worlds. Water is abundant in the form of ice, it's everywhere...well everything is everywhere. Any Type 2 civilization or higher has no need for biological slaves or any of the such.

Furthermore, if any aliens that could make it here want to destroy us, all they have to do is hurl an asteroid of a minimal size with the right trajectory from anywhere in our solar system or beyond and with enough velocity and gravity calculations, we would never know they were there or have time to respond. That's all it takes, no need for war ships or them risking their lives, just an energy supply capable of harvesting and throwing a giant rock at us. Send some robots in the wake of aftermath to harvest whatever....but i'd say it's still way easier to just mine a lifeless planet.
 
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What threat would there be? Sounds irrational since it's logical that if aliens needed precious resources, our universe is overly abundant with them. They could harvest platinum, gold..etc from many other lifeless worlds. Water is abundant in the form of ice, it's everywhere...well everything is everywhere. Any Type 2 civilization or higher has no need for biological slaves or any of the such.

Furthermore, if any aliens that could make it here want to destroy us, all they have to do is hurl an asteroid of a minimal size with the right trajectory from anywhere in our solar system or beyond and with enough velocity and gravity calculations, we would never know they were there or have time to respond. That's all it takes, no need for war ships or them risking their lives, just an energy supply capable of harvesting and throwing a giant rock at us. Send some robots in the wake of aftermath to harvest whatever....but i'd say it's still way easier to just mine a lifeless planet.

This is good, but even better if you read it in Bender's voice.
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I would not be surprised if the US Air Force has satellites in other parts of the solar system for tracking purposes. Why? Who knows, but it's an organization that has the kind of resources to do that.

Yah I'm going to have say no on that one.

  • First there's nothing out there that's a strategic interest for the air force.
  • Second any amateur astronomers/rocket scientists can follow even a "secret" Air Force launch (hint: there's no such thing as a secret launch). There's no indication of any current Air Force probe sent out of Earth orbit.
  • The only things out there to track are either tracked by ground based telescopes or NASA and other space agency probes.
 

John Connor

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What is that mini shuttle called again? X37B? :D

No, the Air Force probably has a hard enough time just to get their budget let along sending Sats light years away. LOL!

On this episode of Inside Edition. The USAF sends a series of alien laser killing Sats to Pluto.
 

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Paratus

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The problem with that is it's a theory that is also without the same amount of proof as it being a signal from another solar system. It's like calling something fake without having any more proof than someone saying it's real.
Likely or not, there has to be actual evidence, otherwise it's not a likely anything.

Saying that the signal is likely terrestrial is hardly unscientific. It is orders of magnitude more likely than for it to be extra terrestrial signal.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astr...ers_see_possible_signal_from_nearby_star.html
 
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The problem with that is it's a theory that is also without the same amount of proof as it being a signal from another solar system. It's like calling something fake without having any more proof than someone saying it's real.
Likely or not, there has to be actual evidence, otherwise it's not a likely anything.

I'll stick with the odds. This type of array has been confused by military satellites before, the signal only happened briefly once which is exactly the same as what's happened multiple times on multiple arrays that are essentially identical to this one. Instead of saying its aliens which has never happened before.