With the release of Alder Lake less than a week away and the "Lakes" thread having turned into a nightmare to navigate I thought it might be a good time to start a discussion thread solely for Alder Lake.
I have to agree. That's because I see the Atom brand returning. So expecting this lineup...
- Pentium "Silver" being the Octa Core chips with 15W TDP (potential)
- Celeron "Silver" being Quad Core with high clock speed and with 10W TDP
- Atom brand with the Quad Core with lower clock speed but going below 6W TDP
Seems that Intel is planning something and now I am intrigued.
Also wondering if there might be Raptop Lake -N with more cores.
Meanwhile... what happened with the Full Quad Cores without HT? Why those didn't became the Pentium Gold chips leaving the Celeron "Gold" with the Dual Cores of any kind?
Overclockers should be happy
Surely if you are looking at a 12900K or a 5950X for MT workloads you will choose based on what is better for your intended workloads rather than a geomean of several disparate workloads.
Also the 5950X scales pretty well with move power in MT workloads so if you allow it more power headroom you do get a good performance boost.
Also the 5950X scales pretty well with move power in MT workloads so if you allow it more power headroom you do get a good performance boost.
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To a point. It's still on N7, and N7 CPUs hit a wall eventually. My 3900X hit at wall at around 4.4 GHz, for example, where power draw wasn't the enemy so much as out-of-control hotspot temperatures. Plus there's the whole unsafe voltage thing (which may be less of an issue on Vermeer; I honestly haven't researched it).
I think with a 12900k you can just put heavy watercooling on it and ramp up power to the moon. With a 5950X I would honestly be surprised to see anyone pushing more than 200-220W through it.
There you go. Be surprised. 5950X sucking 331W. 2nd highest overclocked power draw after Rocket Lake. (From the Forbes 12900K review)
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That's got to be system power draw, since a stock 5950X will never draw 217W. Based on napkin math, that looks like ~250W for the OCed 5950X, which is 30W more than I expected. No idea how you would cool N7 at that power draw but hey, good for them!
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Please note i overclock for maximum performance, not performance/w.We have @Det0x in these forums, i think he has been courting 300W package draw all the time
(these runs are at overvoltage just to be sure for stability)
Cinebench @ ~300 ppt (which is pretty close to what all highly overclocked Alder lake system runs at)
Linpack Xtreme @ ~330 PPT (i know i can get a higher score at same ppt / or reduce the ppt at same performance level
(workload is basically just as hot as prime95... massive avx usage)
Y-cruncher @ 343 ppt (async mem settings)
With custom watercooling and a waterblock made for zen3 chiplet design, 300+ PPT is no problem
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Intel's 5.5 GHz Core i9-12900KS Alder Lake CPU now available for preorder, ships in March - VideoCardz.com
Availability expected by March 3rd. Could AMD counter by releasing 5800X3D early?
Availability expected by March 3rd. Could AMD counter by releasing 5800X3D early?
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Basically if you run software that that does not put the processor on full load, like gaming the power draw of ADL and zen3 is quite similar while ADL is a bit faster, but if you run all cores on full load zen3 is far more efficient. So it all comes down to what kind of software you run the most, and what is most important to you as an end user. For my usage ADL would probably make most sense, if I had to choose right now, but with zen4 around the corner, neither seems really interesting in the long run, as AM4 is EOL and Intel is always pushing new sockets with new Cpu's.
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The thing with Alder Lake is that it is heavily dependent on power settings. Meaning you can get great performance OR great efficiency. This has more flexibility than most people are accustomed to seeing in the past on other chips. If you want pure performance Alder Lake might be the best chip for you (suppose you have a coming deadline, or if you have expensive employees doing the work where power costs are negligible in comparison, or your profit depends on being the absolute fastest such as high-frequency trading on the stock market). See the Rendering chart below where Alder Lake could be set to give the best performance of any desktop CPU.
Or maybe you need great power efficiency. In that case, Alder Lake can do it too (despite the many, many negative comments about allowable high power consumption). See the Energy Usage chart below for an example where Alder Lake could be set to give the 2nd lowest energy use of any desktop CPU to complete a multithreaded task.
The main issue against Alder Lake though, is that it is an either/or choice. With Alder Lake you get either great performance OR great efficiency. However, the AMD Ryzen 5950X gives you both great performance AND great efficiency. So, if you are after that combination, then Alder Lake is not for you. It doesn't make Alder Lake a bad chip, or a joke chip like some people here claim, it just means you have to determine your typical use case and what you actually value most. Alder Lake might not be for you or it might be the best chip for you.
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12700H review. Note that it is set to 200/200 but it doesn't look like it can actually draw that much. But it is a lot .
Seems like ADL-P(U) is a little better up to 35W versus ADL-P(H)
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Did the Germans support AMD even during the Bulldozer days?
Did the Germans support AMD even during the Bulldozer days?
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Anandtech: Intel Launches Alder Lake U and P Series Processors: Ultraportable Laptops Coming In March
TomsHardware: Intel Details 12th-Gen Alder Lake U- and P-Series, up to 14 Cores at 28W
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TomsHardware: Intel Details 12th-Gen Alder Lake U- and P-Series, up to 14 Cores at 28W
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Thoses two slides are not logical at all in respect of the 5800U.
In the first one it s supposed to have 10% better perf from 15W to 32W, wich is false, and the perf difference with the 1280P is way higher than what is displayed in the second slide.
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First slide uses SPECrate n-copy, second slide uses Blender, different workloads differnt scaling hence the "upto".
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Yeah, basically. I think a lot of them have patriotic feelings towards the Dresden fab which used to be AMD's.
Maybe a little more than average, but they still bought Intel way more during the Bulldozer days.
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