With the release of Alder Lake less than a week away and the "Lakes" thread having turned into a nightmare to navigate I thought it might be a good time to start a discussion thread solely for Alder Lake.
I have to agree. That's because I see the Atom brand returning. So expecting this lineup...Probably just terrible sample and/or binning.
I don't think they'll call the 8 core Pentium Silver anymore. Also the TDP range is definitely getting extended beyond 10W if that's the case.
To a point. It's still on N7, and N7 CPUs hit a wall eventually. My 3900X hit at wall at around 4.4 GHz, for example, where power draw wasn't the enemy so much as out-of-control hotspot temperatures. Plus there's the whole unsafe voltage thing (which may be less of an issue on Vermeer; I honestly haven't researched it).Also the 5950X scales pretty well with move power in MT workloads
With a 5950X I would honestly be surprised to see anyone pushing more than 200-220W through it.
That's got to be system power draw, since a stock 5950X will never draw 217W. Based on napkin math, that looks like ~250W for the OCed 5950X, which is 30W more than I expected. No idea how you would cool N7 at that power draw but hey, good for them!There you go. Be surprised. 5950X sucking 331W. 2nd highest overclocked power draw after Rocket Lake. (From the Forbes 12900K review)
We have @Det0x in these forums, i think he has been courting 300W package draw all the timeNo idea how you would cool N7 at that power draw but hey, good for them!
To a point. It's still on N7, and N7 CPUs hit a wall eventually. My 3900X hit at wall at around 4.4 GHz, for example, where power draw wasn't the enemy so much as out-of-control hotspot temperatures. Plus there's the whole unsafe voltage thing (which may be less of an issue on Vermeer; I honestly haven't researched it).
I think with a 12900k you can just put heavy watercooling on it and ramp up power to the moon. With a 5950X I would honestly be surprised to see anyone pushing more than 200-220W through it.
Please note i overclock for maximum performance, not performance/w.We have @Det0x in these forums, i think he has been courting 300W package draw all the time
The thing with Alder Lake is that it is heavily dependent on power settings. Meaning you can get great performance OR great efficiency. This has more flexibility than most people are accustomed to seeing in the past on other chips. If you want pure performance Alder Lake might be the best chip for you (suppose you have a coming deadline, or if you have expensive employees doing the work where power costs are negligible in comparison, or your profit depends on being the absolute fastest such as high-frequency trading on the stock market). See the Rendering chart below where Alder Lake could be set to give the best performance of any desktop CPU.Basically if you run software that that does not put the processor on full load, like gaming the power draw of ADL and zen3 is quite similar while ADL is a bit faster, but if you run all cores on full load zen3 is far more efficient. So it all comes down to what kind of software you run the most, and what is most important to you as an end user. For my usage ADL would probably make most sense, if I had to choose right now, but with zen4 around the corner, neither seems really interesting in the long run, as AM4 is EOL and Intel is always pushing new sockets with new Cpu's.
That's 13.07M IOPS.The Intel Core i9 12900K paired with Intel Optane P5800X NVMe storage has him currently able to achieve 13.07 IOPS per CPU core with the latest Linux kernel.
Thoses two slides are not logical at all in respect of the 5800U.
First slide uses SPECrate n-copy, second slide uses Blender, different workloads differnt scaling hence the "upto".and the perf difference with the 1280P is way higher than what is displayed in the second slide.
Yeah, basically. I think a lot of them have patriotic feelings towards the Dresden fab which used to be AMD's.Did the Germans support AMD even during the Bulldozer days?
Maybe a little more than average, but they still bought Intel way more during the Bulldozer days.CapFrameX on Twitter: "The Japanese are smart. They just look at the value of a product. Meanwhile Germany is a paradise for AMD fans. I have been following some discussions in tech forums lately. I can't post it here, it's too embarrassing. 😶" / Twitter
Did the Germans support AMD even during the Bulldozer days?
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