Alcoholic? Just drop some acid.

[dank69]

It will fix you right up.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

There's a different hallucinogen that's been about 50% effective in eliminating cocaine addiction.

 

[SirStev0]

Alcoholism is an interesting disease. Certain unnamed groups have gone very far to make the case that is a hopeless disease that is only manageable by them.

 

[surfsatwerk]

Alcoholism is an interesting disease. Certain unnamed groups have gone very far to make the case that is a hopeless disease that is only manageable by them.

lolno

 

[slightlyhuman]

HAL9K all over it.

 

[Thebobo]

There's a different hallucinogen that's been about 50% effective in eliminating cocaine addiction.

Whats that?

 

[Juddog]

Psychadelics have a number of potentially positive effects in a wide variety of therapy techniques.

The problem is that their reputation was sullied from people using it that had no responsibility and didn't have the proper environment and supervision. It's really a shame that it was illegalized, given that it's one of the most powerful tools available to mankind. The guy who discovered the chemical structure of DNA basically discovered how the molecule looked while hallucinating on acid, just as one example. Not to mention the amazing amount of music that has come from it's use.

It also can allow one to experience a traumatic event (referred to as an "ego death" in the psychadelic community) which allows them to change core components of their personality. Sometimes a person requires something of extreme shock in order to change something that is deeply rooted into their personality; psychadelics allow this to happen in a physically safe manner.

In short, they could have been the most amazing psychological tool ever given to mankind, but instead we persecute those that use it and produce it because of a few bad apples (look at the deaths caused by psychadelics versus the deaths cause by alcohol - it's a night and day difference, yet the more dangerous substance is still legal!)

 

[zinfamous]

"Alcohol misuse"?

wtf...is "abuse" not PC anymore?

:hmm:

How does one "misuse" alcohol?

 

[surfsatwerk]

"Alcohol misuse"?

wtf...is "abuse" not PC anymore?

:hmm:

How does one "misuse" alcohol?

I saw some dude drink half his beer then leave the bar.

 

[SunnyD]

Not surprising. After all, how is ADD and hyperactivity treated? Just give the patient EVEN MORE STIMULANT.

 

[Blackjack200]

Yet it remains a schedule 1 substance. Hmm, let's look at the requirements for schedule 1 substances.

(A) The drug or other substance has a high potential for abuse.

Uhh, no. LSD (and, incidently, all hallucinagens) are not physically addictive. It is almost impossible to abuse the drug.

(B) The drug or other substance has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States.

There are obvious therapudic benefits to LSD use, and this study suggests further utility in fighting addiction. Just like #1, completely false.

(C) There is a lack of accepted safety for use of the drug or other substance under medical supervision.

A severe overdose can knock you unconcious, but it cannot kill you. I have never seen any report of someone dying of an overdose of LSD. I have never even seen the suggestion that LSD is toxic. What there is a lack of is any evidence that properly taken, LSD is dangerous at all.

Wow, 0 for 3. Complete fail by the DEA/FDA. Yet they continue to allow the sale of psuedoephedrine which has massive abuse potential, and over the counter no less. Unbelieveable. Oh wait, we're talking about one of the most worthless and harmful agencies in the history of the United States, so I guess it is believeable.

 

[surfsatwerk]

(C) There is a lack of accepted safety for use of the drug or other substance under medical supervision.

A severe overdose can knock you unconcious, but it cannot kill you. I have never seen any report of someone dying of an overdose of LSD. I have never even seen the suggestion that LSD is toxic. What there is a lack of is any evidence that properly taken, LSD is dangerous at all.

Wow, 0 for 3. Complete fail by the DEA/FDA. Yet they continue to allow the sale of psuedoephedrine which has massive abuse potential, and over the counter no less. Unbelieveable. Oh wait, we're talking about one of the most worthless and harmful agencies in the history of the United States, so I guess it is believeable.

I had an experience with a young man who severely overdosed on LSD. He went into seizures and had to be hospitalized for several days. The boy was never "quite right" in the head afterwards. Granted he consumed an enormous amount of the substance and it did not kill him.

 

[Blackjack200]

I had an experience with a young man you severely overdosed on LSD. He went into seizures and had to be hospitalized for several days. The boy was never "quite right" in the head afterwards. Granted he consumed an enormous amount of the substance and it did not kill him.

Yeah, in the case of a severe overdose bad things can happen. I didn't mean to imply that it's impossible to hurt yourself with the stuff. I've read that the negative effects are cognitive and a result of experiencing such severe hallucinations. Almost like PTSD or something, but I haven't read about it in a while, so I could be wrong.

 

[surfsatwerk]

Yeah, in the case of a severe overdose bad things can happen. I didn't mean to imply that it's impossible to hurt yourself with the stuff. I've read that the negative effects are cognitive and a result of experiencing such severe hallucinations. Almost like PTSD or something, but I haven't read about it in a while, so I could be wrong.

Crazy and alive is still better than the consequences of overdose on most any other drug.

 

[Juddog]

Crazy and alive is still better than the consequences of overdose on most any other drug.

True, compare with alcohol where you can literally drink yourself to death, or kill someone while intoxicated by driving a vehicle, getting into a fight, etc..

I've known people that died from Heroin overdoses, ruined their hearts from cocaine, and died from drinking and driving. I don't know anybody that has died from LSD.

 

[Wyndru]

In high school, we used to put drops in 40's, does that count? :twisted:

 

[dank69]

I've been wondering lately, is LSD still popular with the kids these days? Or is it all shrooms and X for the most part?

 

[Wyndru]

I've been wondering lately, is LSD still popular with the kids these days? Or is it all shrooms and X for the most part?

I work in a high school and the kids are all into pill parties these days. They raid their parent's medicine cabinets and bring the pills to the party and trade/sell them. Prescription drugs are by far the most abused in our school, surpassing marijuana and alchohol.

 

[dank69]

I work in a high school and the kids are all into pill parties these days. They raid their parent's medicine cabinets and bring the pills to the party and trade/sell them. Prescription drugs are by far the most abused in our school, surpassing marijuana and alchohol.

Lucky little bastards.

 

[Blackjack200]

I've been wondering lately, is LSD still popular with the kids these days? Or is it all shrooms and X for the most part?

I've read that LSD is actually pretty difficult to get. The process to make it is not exactly easy (more difficult than meth, for example), and most of the LSD produced in this country is made in a few large rogue labs. Other substances are often sold as LSD.

You can make lysergic acid pretty easily from Morning Glory seeds (just don't use store bought seeds as they are usually soaked in a toxin to prevent people from doing this), but LSD, not so much.

Shrooms are good because they are also pretty safe (if you use the right ones) and you can legally buy the spores and grow them yourself.

 

[SirStev0]

Not surprising. After all, how is ADD and hyperactivity treated? Just give the patient EVEN MORE STIMULANT.

That is because children tend to have a paradoxical reaction to most "brain" drugs. They think . Really we don't know a hell of a lot about how a child's brain works. We just think it is different. Not really sure how.

Brings up the point of Adult ADD/ADHD. Adderall shouldn't work.
To be honest, every person over the age of 16 on a stimulant is probably gaining the advantage from the stimulation itself, not from the attention modification. Many of them will tell you otherwise, but that is all anecdotal. Research shows the opposite...

And it isn't like drugs in general don't have a long history of convincing people they are fixing all of their problems anyway.

 

[SirStev0]

I work in a high school and the kids are all into pill parties these days. They raid their parent's medicine cabinets and bring the pills to the party and trade/sell them. Prescription drugs are by far the most abused in our school, surpassing marijuana and alchohol.

This.

 

[destrekor]

Not surprising. After all, how is ADD and hyperactivity treated? Just give the patient EVEN MORE STIMULANT.

Ignorant much?

True clinical cases of ADD/ADHD, that cannot be effectively managed with other treatment methods, can be treated "with a stimulant" and actually SLOW the individual down.

Care to know how this works? Amphetamines (and perhaps the non-stimulant prescriptions that have come out in the past decade have the same mechanism) amp up the production of certain neurotransmitters, which, in short, can effectively manage the classical neurotransmitter imbalances that result in ADD/ADHD.
It's kind of crazy how throwing more fuel at the fire can actually put the fire out, but it can work (of course, it's also overused and a lot of ADD/ADHD, or the imbalances at play, are a result of a variety of issues that the stimulant route won't correct).


Another strange fact:
psilocybin (shrooms) is also another hallucinogenic substance that can treat/alleviate a variety of mental disorders/NT imbalances. Quite important, though, is that the dosing of a patient is fairly controlled, and one helps manage the "trip" so that it's positive and uplifting (and one of "discovery"). A few studies showed that once or twice a year, a moderate dose of psilocybin could help individuals with clinical depression and/or anxiety (can't recall everything that was discussed in the research).

A lot of these chemicals have been selectively used throughout history for good reason. Granted, they didn't understand they were getting those mental boosts, but it surely helped with keeping a peaceful civilization, partly because it kept their spirits up and faith strong (mystical experiences with an ignorance of mysticism tends to boost faith).

A lot of mind-altering substances hit the brain exactly where we need it (the "spirituality/faith" center), and half the reason so many people are fucked up today is because these very helpful chemicals (in controlled/group settings, moderate dosages, infrequent use) have been completely stripped away from us. And most are reluctant to seek out drugs when the law is against them on this matter (and employers).

 

[SphinxnihpS]

"Alcohol misuse"?

wtf...is "abuse" not PC anymore?

:hmm:

How does one "misuse" alcohol?

Pouring it on people and lighting them on fire? Though I suppose it depends on your personal philosophy and reasoning. Who am I to judge?

 

[Dr. Zaus]

Whats that?

http://www.treataddictionright.com/hallucinogen-may-cure-drug-addiction/