Alaska couple expected to plead guilty to terrorism.

[Lemon law]

Pardon me, but I fail to see what crime was committed? Are thought crimes crime's.

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Silly me, I thought you had to commit a crime to be guilty of a crime. As a Christian, Jimmy Carter confessed he had lusted in his heart about other women, but as far as we know, he never acted on the temptation.

Is a thought crime a crime? Who among us have not had their own Walter Middy fantasies of punishing those we don't like. Pow, our fist of steal, right in the kisser,
to re-educate and enlighten those we don't like.

But if compiling a long enemies list is good enough for our President Nixon, where is the crime of this Alaska couple? Maybe its their conversion to Islam, but when 99.999% of those that ascribe to Islam are totally non-violent, is that by itself a crime?

I still somehow ask, where is the crime, where is the crime? I do not say it was wrong for our authorities to watch this couple, and prevent possible crimes shortly before they happened, but from the link itself, I see no evidence they had immediate plans to do anything?

But if a thought crime is a crime, we are all probably guilty.

 

[Fern]

Brush up on your linkage skillz.

Is this what you're referring to?

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iUWS4S_tNEuhTRTdKZCFEnYU2QdQD9H3KFGG0

Re: Your comment "Silly me, I thought you had to commit a crime to be guilty of a crime" - See below.

Paul Rockwood Jr. and his wife, Nadia Rockwood, of King Salmon, Alaska, are charged with lying about the list and making false statements about domestic terrorism during interviews with FBI agents in May

Seems to me they could be charged with conspiracy too.

If the article I linked is correct, looks like good intel work. Do we really need to wait until AFTER the killings happen to do anything?

Fern

 

[Jaskalas]

Well, I cannot say I'm surprised to see Lemon defending Islamic terrorism.

 

[PokerGuy]

He only got 8 years. He should be in jail for life since he's clearly a threat to society, no matter how long he stays in the clink.

 

[StageLeft]

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Best link ever.

 

[Lemon law]

Excuse me Fern, now you say concealing from the FBI what you really think is a crime. Thankfully the FBI has not interviewed me or many other US citizens on what they think of their government, various political figures, and if we write something down in the same enemies list Nixon compiled, where is the difference between a though crime and a sin of actual commission?

Its always a fine line slippery slope conspiracy theory question. Only the shadow knows what evil lurks in the minds of women and men. Should we sic the FBI on you Fern, to see what evil lurks in your heart? And then as you defend yourself, we can use your past posts to prove you a liar? And then get you for lying to the FBI.

The question is and remains, how close was the Alaska couple to committing an actual crime worth stopping? If freedom of speech has its limits, where is the limits of freedom of thought?

 

[Lemon law]

Well, I cannot say I'm surprised to see Lemon defending Islamic terrorism.

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You have a vivid imagination Jaskalas, I was more thinking of the Chicago 7.

 

[JSt0rm]

What?!?! this happened in Alaska and palin didn't have her eye on them?

 

[cubby1223]

I'm reminded of this thread:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=326985

 

[cubby1223]

Silly me, I thought you had to commit a crime to be guilty of a crime.

Silly me, I though every aspect of every FBI investigation gets released to the media for Lemon Law's approval.

 

[Fern]

Excuse me Fern, now you say concealing from the FBI what you really think is a crime. Thankfully the FBI has not interviewed me or many other US citizens on what they think of their government, various political figures, and if we write something down in the same enemies list Nixon compiled, where is the difference between a though crime and a sin of actual commission?

Its always a fine line slippery slope conspiracy theory question. Only the shadow knows what evil lurks in the minds of women and men. Should we sic the FBI on you Fern, to see what evil lurks in your heart? And then as you defend yourself, we can use your past posts to prove you a liar? And then get you for lying to the FBI.

The question is and remains, how close was the Alaska couple to committing an actual crime worth stopping? If freedom of speech has its limits, where is the limits of freedom of thought?

WTF, can't you read?

Making false statements to the feds is illegal. Isn't that what got scooter Libby in trouble?

This isn't about 'thought' crimes or concealing what you "think" from the FBI.

For heaven's sake, the FBI got the 'hit list' off of his wife.

Read this from the article:

Federal authorities claimed Rockwood began researching and selecting possible targets for future execution by visiting websites, and later, after moving to Alaska, began researching explosive components, construction of remote triggering devices, such as cell phones, and construction of bombs to be delivered by common mail carriers.

Officials said that in late 2009, he began discussing using mail bombs and possibly killing targets by gunshot to the head.

By early this year, the hit list had been formalized, with about 15 targets. It was not made public.

Authorities claim he gave the list to his wife in April, and she carried it with her on a trip to Anchorage, where the FBI obtained it

Now I don't know if the FBI's allegations are true, but this is anything but pursuing some sort of "thought crime".

Fern

 

[boomerang]

A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

 

[Red Dawn]

Pardon me, but I fail to see what crime was committed? Are thought crimes crime's.

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Silly me, I thought you had to commit a crime to be guilty of a crime. As a Christian, Jimmy Carter confessed he had lusted in his heart about other women, but as far as we know, he never acted on the temptation.

Is a thought crime a crime? Who among us have not had their own Walter Middy fantasies of punishing those we don't like. Pow, our fist of steal, right in the kisser,
to re-educate and enlighten those we don't like.

But if compiling a long enemies list is good enough for our President Nixon, where is the crime of this Alaska couple? Maybe its their conversion to Islam, but when 99.999% of those that ascribe to Islam are totally non-violent, is that by itself a crime?

I still somehow ask, where is the crime, where is the crime? I do not say it was wrong for our authorities to watch this couple, and prevent possible crimes shortly before they happened, but from the link itself, I see no evidence they had immediate plans to do anything?

But if a thought crime is a crime, we are all probably guilty.

Seems to me they were doing a lot of plotting. 8 years is lenient IMO.

 

[Lemon law]

Fern, as you say, "Now I don't know if the FBI's allegations are true, but this is anything but pursuing some sort of "thought crime".

Fern "

The fine line distinction you are ignoring is how close they were to committing a real crime worth preventing? But if the FBI interviews anyone, its inevotable that they can indict a baloney sandwich for lying on various yes no questions of have you stopped beating your wife?

Early on I said there is nothing wrong with the FBI watching these people like a hawk, but was the FBI even close to even preventing an actual crime?

But point granted Fern, the incomplete link does not answer that question.

But its still asking worth asking, where is that fine line? And should we draw it in a different place for nuts like the branch Dravidian or Randy Weaver, and a different place for our current boogie men of the radical Islamic. Gee what happened to the commies and Joe McCarthy.

 

[Zebo]

boogie men of the radical Islamic.

Oh wait you and other nut jobs think it was Bush/Jews anyone but Muslims who really don't blow up someplace everyday in some part of the world.

 

[dainthomas]

Best link ever.

Maybe I just need to paste it into my address bar.

 

[woolfe9999]

Excuse me Fern, now you say concealing from the FBI what you really think is a crime. Thankfully the FBI has not interviewed me or many other US citizens on what they think of their government, various political figures, and if we write something down in the same enemies list Nixon compiled, where is the difference between a though crime and a sin of actual commission?

Its always a fine line slippery slope conspiracy theory question. Only the shadow knows what evil lurks in the minds of women and men. Should we sic the FBI on you Fern, to see what evil lurks in your heart? And then as you defend yourself, we can use your past posts to prove you a liar? And then get you for lying to the FBI.

The question is and remains, how close was the Alaska couple to committing an actual crime worth stopping? If freedom of speech has its limits, where is the limits of freedom of thought?

It wasn't an "enemies list." It was a hit list of murder targets. And it wasn't only making the list; it was lying to authorities about having done so. Why must you always alter the facts to fit the point you want to argue?

- wolf

 

[nick1985]

thread backfire

 

[Lemon law]

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Thread backfire or thread question ignored?

Conspiracy theories prosecutions are a constants throughout world history, the nations may come and go, the boogie men may come and go, why should we regard this incident as any different?

 

[nick1985]

Thread backfire or thread question ignored?

Thread backfire

 

[Lemon law]

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If you say so Nick, why should I spoil your delusions. If we don't draw the line now, why should we expect any lines to be drawn. But then again, the world has never bothered to draw any lines. We can see the mistakes of other nations with crystal clarity, but are blind to ours.

In the grand scheme of things, you will live to see your ox gored in the same way.

As for me, I don't defend the ox of radical Islam, I merely point out if we can gore one ox, we can gore any other ox.

 

[Zebo]

According to the charging documents, Paul Rockwood converted to Islam in late 2001 or 2002 when the couple lived in Virginia.

“After his conversion, and while residing in Virginia, Rockwood became a strict adherent to the violent Jihad-promoting ideology of cleric Anwar al-Awlaki,” the documents said. “This included a personal conviction that it was his religious responsibility to exact revenge by death on anyone who desecrated Islam.”

Another misunderstander of the Religion of peace. This happens a lot for some reason.

 

[BoberFett]

thread backfire

LOL, it's great to see someone like Lime Lurch hang himself, isn't it?

 

[bfdd]

It's illegal to conspire to commit murder, why should these people be treated any differently?

 

[Kappo]

Having an agitated and aggressive person holding a gun in public isn't a huge deal (in terms of a "real" crime committed). Pointing it at someone isn't either. Shooting someone in the head with it is.

At what point do you stop the person?