Alabama Republicans refuse to draw a second Black congressional district in defiance of Supreme Court

[HomerJS]

Did the troops arrest the governor or protect the children?

Troops came into Arkansas to enforce federal law. They didn't arrest the Governer because he wasn't charged with a federal crime. If that failed to work DOJ could have filed charges and then arresting the Governer would have been valid.

I liked the idea of cutting funding, but President can't do unilaterally. Do you like the idea of red states being able to ignore law and continue to disenfranchise its minority citizens? If you fail to crack Alabama upside the head, it sets a bad precedent, and they will try again in the future.

 

[Zorba]

Troops came into Arkansas to enforce federal law. They didn't arrest the Governer because he wasn't charged with a federal crime. If that failed to work DOJ could have filed charges and then arresting the Governer would have been valid.

I liked the idea of cutting funding, but President can't do unilaterally. Do you like the idea of red states being able to ignore law and continue to disenfranchise its minority citizens? If you fail to crack Alabama upside the head, it sets a bad precedent, and they will try again in the future.

The governor refused to follow the USSC, he was not arrested or forced to comply under the threat of arrest. Troops were sent in to protect student fulfilling the court orders. Here, new maps are being forced on to the state. Arresting the legislator is not the solution, at least not at this point.

Ultimately we are in this situation because the courts purposely dragged their feet and invented to bullshit idea of things being too close to an election is "oh well."

The real punishment should be making the new maps very much in favor of blacks, much more so than the legislator would've done had they complied with the court order.

 

[Dave_5k]

The governor refused to follow the USSC, he was not arrested or forced to comply under the threat of arrest. Troops were sent in to protect student fulfilling the court orders. Here, new maps are being forced on to the state. Arresting the legislator is not the solution, at least not at this point.

Ultimately we are in this situation because the courts purposely dragged their feet and invented to bullshit idea of things being too close to an election is "oh well."

The real punishment should be making the new maps very much in favor of blacks, much more so than the legislator would've done had they complied with the court order.

And the court clearly should order for Alabama reinstatement of the entirety of Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act for a minimum of 5 years - as it is absolutely needed. This would require pre-clearance from the court, validating that any new Alabama voting law changes or further redistricting have neither the purpose nor the effect of marginalizing black voters.

(Edit: side note for those who have forgotten, this Supreme Court illegally and unconstitutionally vetoed Section 5 of the VRA back in 2013, which led to the near immediate mass anti-black voting law changes and redistricting changes across southern states, including closing thousands of poling locations in primarily black districts, and implementing multiple similar laws making voting more difficult especially for the poor. E.g. the multi-hour voting lines exclusively in urban minority areas aren't accidents, nor local official incompetence, they are quire deliberate.)

 

[UNCjigga]

LoL the welfare queen state is gonna secede?

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Ok--mislabeled axes on charts is a HUGE pet peeve of mine. GDP belongs on x axis; Dependency on y.

 

[sdifox]

Ok--mislabeled axes on charts is a HUGE pet peeve of mine. GDP belongs on x axis; Dependency on y.

What do you mean mislabelled? As in you prefer GDP on the x axis?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Meanwhile people like PCgeek claim Republicans are not racist

He’s sort of right, they simply want to stay in power and they know black folks don’t vote the way they need them to allow them to stay in power. They’d do the exact same thing to a white district that didn’t vote for them.

 

[HomerJS]

If they are not racist how do you explain their support and association with white nationalists?

 

[Moonbeam]

If they are not racist how do you explain their support and association with white nationalists?

If every time you turned around a Black person punched you in the nose you would likely become a racists. If every time you turned around and somebody you supported for political office that supported the maintenance of your traditional political privilege was voted out by Black people, you might become a racist. If all of this were to happen by Italians you might become an Italian hater.

Prejudice is basically a way of saying to yourself that what you want is the good and anybody who wants that good to include them too is a worthless piece of shit. This is because self haters need someone to transfer that self hate onto in the form of projection. They are sick with a disease that has characteristic symptoms, walking on others to promote the notion that you are better than them because you actually feel like trash. Sadly, one becomes what one fears is true about oneself even at an unconscious level.

And hating bigots back only confirms their paranoid suspicions.

 

[HomerJS]

If every time you turned around a Black person punched you in the nose you would likely become a racists. If every time you turned around and somebody you supported for political office that supported the maintenance of your traditional political privilege was voted out by Black people, you might become a racist. If all of this were to happen by Italians you might become an Italian hater.

Prejudice is basically a way of saying to yourself that what you want is the good and anybody who wants that good to include them too is a worthless piece of shit. This is because self haters need someone to transfer that self hate onto in the form of projection. They are sick with a disease that has characteristic symptoms, walking on others to promote the notion that you are better than them because you actually feel like trash. Sadly, one becomes what one fears is true about oneself even at an unconscious level.

And hating bigots back only confirms their paranoid suspicions.

Find me just one of those many white nationalist supporting Republicans that got punched in the nose daily by a black person and I will agree with you. If that is your excuse for them.

And for the record, I grew up my entire life until Obama having white men being elected President. To this day I didn't harbor a hatred towards white people. Using your logic.

 

[Moonbeam]

Find me just one of those many white nationalist supporting Republicans that got punched in the nose daily by a black person and I will agree with you. If that is your excuse for them.

Clearly I said "IF". I made no attempt to excuse anything. I sought to explain how a prejudice can develop. Victim mentality is the imaginary believe made possible by the projection of self hate onto others, the self protective action of seeing ones own self hate as originating from others, with the simplistic belief that we are really OK because someone else is much worse.

And for the record, I grew up my entire life until Obama having white men being elected President. To this day I didn't harbor a hatred towards white people. Using your logic.

In the first place, I never buy into the idea that anyone can be sure they are not a bigot as being a bigot among many of us is a non-ego-flattering state. This is not an accusation. Secondly, you were not in a privileged position, an in power white person whose status was threatened, and thus had no need to engage in false victimization. You were always a real victim of racism.

My intention was always only to express by belief and agreement with Fanatical Meat that the quality of Republican exceptionalism and cult behavior would make enemies of any who stand in their authoritarian desire for power. Darker skin and the tradition of slavery and racial discrimination in America simply makes that convenient. The operative disease is self hate.

 

[HomerJS]

Clearly I said "IF". I made no attempt to excuse anything. I sought to explain how a prejudice can develop. Victim mentality is the imaginary believe made possible by the projection of self hate onto others, the self protective action of seeing ones own self hate as originating from others, with the simplistic belief that we are really OK because someone else is much worse.

In the first place, I never buy into the idea that anyone can be sure they are not a bigot as being a bigot among many of us is a non-ego-flattering state. This is not an accusation. Secondly, you were not in a privileged position, an in power white person whose status was threatened, and thus had no need to engage in false victimization. You were always a real victim of racism.

My intention was always only to express by belief and agreement with Fanatical Meat that the quality of Republican exceptionalism and cult behavior would make enemies of any who stand in their authoritarian desire for power. Darker skin and the tradition of slavery and racial discrimination in America simply makes that convenient. The operative disease is self hate.

I know you used the word "IF". If this is your only explanation for Republicans being racist, then it must have happened. If not, you will need a better explanation.

My explanation, they are racist because they want to be. Occom's Razor.

 

[Moonbeam]

I know you used the word "IF". If this is your only explanation for Republicans being racist, then it must have happened. If not, you will need a better explanation.

My explanation, they are racist because they want to be. Occom's Razor.

They are racists. They want to be. But were race not handy they would express some other form of bigotry. Racism isn't about race. It's about trying to avoid the pain that accompanies self hate by projecting that hate outward. Occam's Razor can only be properly applied when you actually know the simplest explanation.

 

[HomerJS]

They are racists. They want to be. But were race not handy they would express some other form of bigotry. Racism isn't about race. It's about trying to avoid the pain that accompanies self hate by projecting that hate outward. Occam's Razor can only be properly applied when you actually know the simplest explanation.

Perhaps, but if you ask a racist if they hate themselves the answer will be no so I stick to OR. To slightly expand IMO people are taught to be racist when they are young either explicitly or implicitly. At some point when that person grows up they decide if they want to continue that characteristic.

I do believe people can become that way from a life experience but those instances are unicorns.

 

[Moonbeam]

Perhaps, but if you ask a racist if they hate themselves the answer will be no so I stick to OR. To slightly expand IMO people are taught to be racist when they are young either explicitly or implicitly. At some point when that person grows up they decide if they want to continue that characteristic.

I do believe people can become that way from a life experience but those instances are unicorns.

As I said there is the active act of being poked in the nose by some stereotype and the imagined victimization by same. When you are taught to hate others for any reason the way you learn that hate is by being compared personally to the imaginary evil and warned via threat and punishment never to be that. The contempt racists have for race is the contempt they were exposed to as children when being compared to said race. It is all projection of self hate based on the brains capacity to equate danger by association of traits, skin color in the case of the racism we are talking about here. It is no different. really, than disgust with conservatives or liberals. We give ourselves permission to hate what we were trained to see as evil.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

Same kind of thing in Ohio.

Ohio attorney general rejects language for political mapmaking reform amendment for a second time

The Ohio Attorney General's Office has once again rejected petition language for a constitutional amendment aimed at remaking Ohio’s troubled system for drawing political maps.

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What would happen if the Supreme Court just said .. 'Fine .. no election for those positions.' ???

 

[Zorba]

If they are not racist how do you explain their support and association with white nationalists?

I agree they are racist as fuck, but if blacks voted straight Republican the Republicans would give them plenty of districts. Just like they give a ton of black kids scholarships to play football.

 

[HomerJS]

I agree they are racist as fuck, but if blacks voted straight Republican the Republicans would give them plenty of districts. Just give a ton of black kids scholarships to play football.

"Entertain me boy. Maybe I will give you a few rights". "Want a few more rights? Let me fuck your sister"

 

[HomerJS]

Maybe why Alabama thinks they don’t have to redraw the maps. Ala thinks they can just take the same case back to the court with a different argument and Brett Kavanaugh will acquiesce with a different decision

ICYMI: Dark Money Pulling Strings In Alabama Redistricting Case

New reporting from The Alabama Political Reporter uncovered damning connections between right-wing judicial activist Leonard Leo’s “powerful national dark money network,” Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh, and the Alabama officials who led the 2023 redistricting process.

accountable.us

 

[HomerJS]

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[hal2kilo]

Maybe why Alabama thinks they don’t have to redraw the maps. Ala thinks they can just take the same case back to the court with a different argument and Brett Kavanaugh will acquiesce with a different decision

ICYMI: Dark Money Pulling Strings In Alabama Redistricting Case

New reporting from The Alabama Political Reporter uncovered damning connections between right-wing judicial activist Leonard Leo’s “powerful national dark money network,” Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh, and the Alabama officials who led the 2023 redistricting process.

accountable.us

Saw this coming as soon as they took 1 second to reject it. This is a setup. So wonderful, frat boy, and a man who hates his own race, and at least one or 2 more Catholics. What a joke the SCOTUS has become.

 

[HomerJS]

So the stall continues. My question why SCOTUS doesn't just say...

"We already ruled so we are not hearing this again and if you don't change the district we will request DOJ move in and change it?"

Supreme Court to decide whether Alabama can postpone drawing new congressional districts

The U.S. Supreme Court is expected to rule soon on Alabama’s request to let it keep new GOP-drawn congressional lines in place as it fights a three-judge panel’s plan to create a second majority-Black district, or something close to it, in the state.

apnews.com

Why are they even entertaining this again? Seems SCOTUS is indirectly helping Alabama to stall so districts remain the same for 2024.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Hey... Alabama...

F*ck You!

Supreme Court allows drawing of new Alabama congressional map to proceed, rejecting state's plea

The Supreme Court is allowing work to proceed on a new Alabama congressional map with greater representation for Black voters, rejecting the state’s plea to retain Republican-drawn lines that were struck down by a lower court.

www.clickondetroit.com

 

[Zorba]

So the stall continues. My question why SCOTUS doesn't just say...

"We already ruled so we are not hearing this again and if you don't change the district we will request DOJ move in and change it?"

Supreme Court to decide whether Alabama can postpone drawing new congressional districts

The U.S. Supreme Court is expected to rule soon on Alabama’s request to let it keep new GOP-drawn congressional lines in place as it fights a three-judge panel’s plan to create a second majority-Black district, or something close to it, in the state.

apnews.com

Why are they even entertaining this again? Seems SCOTUS is indirectly helping Alabama to stall so districts remain the same for 2024.

Looks like you got your wish, just a couple days late.

 

[Pens1566]

Thank the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

 

[HomerJS]

Looks like you got your wish, just a couple days late.

Alabama as already told SCOTUS fuck you. They will find a way to stall until too late for 2024 unless the Federal government threatens to cut all public funding for Ala which would only hurt poor people.

Brett Kavanaugh already signaled he is looking for someone to being a case that will allow him to vote for the killing of the 65 Voting Rights Act.

the state of Alabama’s latest attempt to defy the 15th Amendment, and the Supreme Court’s own rulings, is inspired by a decision Kavanaugh wrote that explicitly asked for plaintiffs to file a case that could help him kill the VRA once and for all.

The Future of the Voting Rights Act Depends on... Brett Kavanaugh

A new effort by Alabama to gut the VRA was clearly inspired by a recent Kavanaugh opinion. Now the state is appealing to the Supreme Court—and Kavanaugh—to help seal the deal.

www.thenation.com

Republicans will come back again trying to finally kill the Voting Rights Act. If you think that is an unfounded fear I remind you of Shelby case 2013 where pre-clearance was killed allowing all these Republican states to created laws to disenfranchise certain voters