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nehalem256

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There are Republicans out there who want to see illegals removed by force. That obviously results in large scale violence, the consequences of which would resemble Germany. I mean, what else is going to happen if we anachronistically apply force to relocate 20 million people?

Whether the pot boils over to this predictable crescendo is another matter. Most folks are all bark and no bite. They are also deluded into thinking their position is more popular than it really is. Many people would think I back the use of force, for example. I most certainly do not.

Still, if you want to avoid all this risk of brooding violence, simply pull the rug out from under them. Build a god damn border fence, place the military on the border, SEAL THE BORDER. Consider it a peace divined, the cost of avoiding 1930s Germany.

We can work on achieving integration if there won't be 50+ million more of them down the road. Until the border is sealed, all bets of a peaceful resolution are off.
It is not that necessary to use force.

Simply make life as difficult as possible for them.

1.) Remove citizenship for children born to illegal immigrants.
2.) Allow checking legal status before a student can be enrolled in school
3.) Make it harder to obtain employment
4.) Disallow all government benefits
5.) Arrest those who drive around in buses proclaiming their illegal status.
6.) Insert an RFID chip into anyone caught and deported, so you can detect if they come across the border again.
 

diesbudt

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There are Republicans out there who want to see illegals removed by force. That obviously results in large scale violence, the consequences of which would resemble Germany. I mean, what else is going to happen if we chaotically apply force to relocate 20 million people?

Whether the pot boils over to this predictable crescendo is another matter. Most folks are all bark and no bite. They are also deluded into thinking their position is more popular than it really is. Many people would think I back the use of force, for example. I most certainly do not.

Still, if you want to avoid all this risk of brooding violence, simply pull the rug out from under them. Build a god damn border fence, place the military on the border, SEAL THE BORDER. Consider it a peace dividend, the cost of avoiding 1930s Germany.

We can work on achieving integration if there won't be 50+ million more of them down the road. Until the border is sealed, all bets of a peaceful resolution are off.

A) Mexicans are not the only illegal immigrants. People hiding on boats from asian and european and african countries, and even illegal canadians happen also.

B) We cannot seal the border permanently, as they can literally boat/swim right around it. This isn't the early A.D years in which technology was foiled by a great wall of China

C) Violence won't work, that would spark too many issues. However, every single person a police officer talks to for a suspicion of a crime (Speeding, murder, rape, theft etc) should be subject to a check. Along with enrolling in school, and in a hospital. (Sure they can still get cared for by a hospital if serious, just after they are good to go. Send them packing) If illegal, they must be removed.
 

Texashiker

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There are Republicans out there who want to see illegals removed by force. That obviously results in large scale violence, the consequences of which would resemble Germany. I mean, what else is going to happen if we chaotically apply force to relocate 20 million people?
20 million people who should not be here to start with.
 

Pr0d1gy

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It is not that necessary to use force.

Simply make life as difficult as possible for them.

1.) Remove citizenship for children born to illegal immigrants. This is a tough issue.
2.) Allow checking legal status before a student can be enrolled in school Absolutely.
3.) Make it harder to obtain employment This 100%.
4.) Disallow all government benefits ABSOLUTELY!
5.) Arrest those who drive around in buses proclaiming their illegal status. Certainly.
6.) Insert an RFID chip into anyone caught and deported, so you can detect if they come across the border again. Whoa now, that is way over the top.
RFiD chips should be placed in all of our economic and political leaders so that everything they say and do becomes public record. That would be more productive.

The fact that you advocate RFiD chips just proves what a nutjob troll you really are. We should RFiD chip you so we can be sure you never cook the books at that cushy accounting job you have.

Now, how do you like the idea of RFiD chips?
 

PokerGuy

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You don't have the right to get to the polling station on time. If you get there too late or miss it because of whatever happened. Too bad.

--> Your saying if you miss the poll times because of traffic or whatever, that you have the right to get there and vote even though they are closed?

Sorry they won't stay open just for a person.

Don't make a comparison unless its Apple --> Apple. You tried passing off an orange as an apple.
More derp derp. Having rights means nothing if the government can easily prevent you from exercising that right. Stop making a fool of yourself.
 

PokerGuy

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B) We cannot seal the border permanently, as they can literally boat/swim right around it.
You can never truly seal the border 100%, but you can certainly make it such that the number of those illegally entering is minimal compared to the population as a whole. A small number of people trickling in is not nearly as big a problem.
 

diesbudt

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More derp derp. Having rights means nothing if the government can easily prevent you from exercising that right. Stop making a fool of yourself.
You are the one making the moronic soudns of herp/derp without any real debate or argument against what I am saying.

1) The government cannot prevent you from exercising any right they give, unless you yourself have done something to forfeit said right.

2) There is a difference between a right and a priviledge. It is your right to vote. However there is nothing in the law or constitution saying it is your right to get to a poll to vote. That is a privledge. Remember when African Americans first got the right to vote? They walked MILES, sometimes through harsh weather and terrain while having to endure name calling, just to vote. They had the right to vote. Doesn't mean they had it easy going to and from the polls.

3) The word of the law states "bare arms". Not "obtain arms" or "shoot arms". There is other laws and regulations to allow/forbid those. Not the 2nd amendment. Which is what I commented on.
 

sactoking

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A) Mexicans are not the only illegal immigrants. People hiding on boats from asian and european and african countries, and even illegal canadians happen also.
My wife's ex-uncle (wife's aunt's ex-husband) was an illegal immigrant from Canada; he couldn't go home to see his family for fear that he'd never be able to re-enter the country with his daughter.
 

diesbudt

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You can never truly seal the border 100%, but you can certainly make it such that the number of those illegally entering is minimal compared to the population as a whole. A small number of people trickling in is not nearly as big a problem.

Agreed. However, sealing it is only a mitigation strategy. Especially since that only affects one of the many ethnic illegal immigrant groups.

A mitigation strategy must lead into a strategy that solves the issue. Which means reform how we handle them in our country.

People forget we get illegals all the time from Cuba, African countries, Asian Countries, even some European countries. Other countries in south america have been known to try too, via boats through gulf of Mexico.

The continent that doesn't have some illegal immigrants making America or being captured on the news over the past few decades, would be Antarctica.
 

thraashman

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Urf, derp, yeah, just remember you have a right to vote, not a right to get to the polling station so it's OK to block all the roads going there. Urf Derp.
Actually his example is more akin to registering to vote before you can vote. You have the right to vote but you have to be registered. You have the right to bare arms, but to do that you have to first obtain arms (preferably legally). The voter ID laws for example would be close to if whenever you open carried you were stopped and required to show ID. If you've ever watched any of the vids posted, most people refuse to show ID, which is their right.
 

nobodyknows

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Agreed. However, sealing it is only a mitigation strategy. Especially since that only affects one of the many ethnic illegal immigrant groups.

A mitigation strategy must lead into a strategy that solves the issue. Which means reform how we handle them in our country.

People forget we get illegals all the time from Cuba, African countries, Asian Countries, even some European countries. Other countries in south america have been known to try too, via boats through gulf of Mexico.

The continent that doesn't have some illegal immigrants making America or being captured on the news over the past few decades, would be Antarctica.
Illegal aliens come from the rest of the world too?? Really?

Before we can decide what to do with all the illegal aliens in this country we need to stop them from coming in. Otherwise there is no point in doing anything for them.
 

diesbudt

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Illegal aliens come from the rest of the world too?? Really?

Before we can decide what to do with all the illegal aliens in this country we need to stop them from coming in. Otherwise there is no point in doing anything for them.

Yes, but it will only be a good idea IF it leads into a strategy to remove the illegal immigrants from the country.

If it doesn't than it becomes pointless, as much like a hole in a sinking boat. Plugging it up so it only trickles through will still eventually capsize the boat unless water is removed from the boat too.

Also a strategy to remove them needs to deter them from coming into our country. A reason/belief that convicnes them coming to our country will grant them nothing worth coming here for, would work better as a physical prevention.

Beating the mind/spirit is much more effective than beating the body.
 

nehalem256

Lifer
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RFiD chips should be placed in all of our economic and political leaders so that everything they say and do becomes public record. That would be more productive.

The fact that you advocate RFiD chips just proves what a nutjob troll you really are. We should RFiD chip you so we can be sure you never cook the books at that cushy accounting job you have.

Now, how do you like the idea of RFiD chips?
You clearly do not know what an RFID chip is.

Why shouldnt someone who has violated our border laws have an RFID chip implanted so we can more easily detect if they attempt to do so again?
 

Pr0d1gy

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You clearly do not know what an RFID chip is.

Why shouldnt someone who has violated our border laws have an RFID chip implanted so we can more easily detect if they attempt to do so again?
So you want to implant a computer chip under a person's skin, yeah I get it dude. Notice how you conveniently did not answer whether you would want an RFiD chip implanted in you to monitor your activities.
 

diesbudt

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Only the southern border has yielded enough illegals to form their own country. Volume is what makes this the most pressing immigration priority.
Never said that wasn't where the largest of the illegals we get come from.

People tend to forget though approx. 10-15% of the illegal immigrants come from a country that is not Mexico.
 

nehalem256

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So you want to implant a computer chip under a person's skin, yeah I get it dude. Notice how you conveniently did not answer whether you would want an RFiD chip implanted in you to monitor your activities.
The chip cannot monitor your activities. It would be similar to the Walmart inventory control system chips.

And your question is stupid. I would not want to go to jail. That does not mean that criminals should not be put in jail.

If you do not want an RFID chip then do not violate our borders. This should not be hard thing to do.
 

nobodyknows

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Never said that wasn't where the largest of the illegals we get come from.

People tend to forget though approx. 10-15% of the illegal immigrants come from a country that is not Mexico.
I think everyone knows we have illegals here from evetwhere. Hell, Obama has an aunt who was here illegally.
 

PokerGuy

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If it doesn't than it becomes pointless, as much like a hole in a sinking boat. Plugging it up so it only trickles through will still eventually capsize the boat unless water is removed from the boat too.
The two are not mutually exclusive, you can plug the big hole to reduce the amount of water coming in, thus giving you time to bail out some of the water already in the boat, or at least reduce the speed at which the boat will sink.

A reason/belief that convicnes them coming to our country will grant them nothing worth coming here for, would work better as a physical prevention.
I agree with that. Unfortunately there is zero chance of that happening because both political parties have - for different reasons - decided that they don't want to deal with illegal immigration.
 

PokerGuy

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People tend to forget though approx. 10-15% of the illegal immigrants come from a country that is not Mexico.
Where they come from doesn't really matter: if a policy can effectively reduce illegal immigration by 75% that's a huge difference.
 

Svnla

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A) Mexicans are not the only illegal immigrants. People hiding on boats from asian and european and african countries, and even illegal canadians happen also.
True, others from various countries are doing that too. BUT the MAJORITY of ILLEGALS are from Mexico/South of America. Those are FACTS.

– Fifty-eight percent of the illegal immigrant population is from Mexico. (Pew)
Source = http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/06/15/facts-on-immigration-in-the-united-states/

Four Latin American countries accounted for 91 percent of therecord number of people deported in the recently-completed fiscal year.
Nearly 363,000 of the 396,900 people deported by Immigration and Customs Enforcement in fiscal year 2011 were from Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador, government figures show. Here’s the breakdown:
• Mexico - 286,893 (72 percent)
• Guatemala - 33,324 (8 percent)
• Honduras - 23,822 (6 percent)
• El Salvador - 18,870 (5 percent)
Source = http://azstarnet.com/news/local/article_2943c31c-00d0-11e1-aca9-001cc4c03286.html
 
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Pr0d1gy

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The chip cannot monitor your activities. It would be similar to the Walmart inventory control system chips.

And your question is stupid. I would not want to go to jail. That does not mean that criminals should not be put in jail.

If you do not want an RFID chip then do not violate our borders. This should not be hard thing to do.
If we allow our government to start chipping illegals it is only a matter of time before they start chipping us, except our chips WILL monitor us. You are out of your fucking mind to be supporting this.
 

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