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Alabama & Georgia join Arizona in Show Me Your Papers

dmcowen674

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http://news.yahoo.com/court-allows-show-papers-laws-alabama-georgia-013919553.html

Court allows "show me your papers" laws in Alabama, Georgia

A federal appeals court ruled on Monday that Alabama and Georgia could enforce key aspects of their laws against illegal immigration that allow police to check the status of criminal suspects.

The decisions were in line with the U.S. Supreme Court ruling on a similar Arizona law, but the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 11th Circuit in Atlanta continued to block other parts of the two Southern states' laws, which have been challenged by the federal government and civil rights groups.


Opponents vowed to keep fighting what have been dubbed the "show me your papers" provisions, which they argue cannot be enforced without racial profiling.
 

monovillage

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Yeah, i went to buy a gun and not only did I have to show my papers, I had to fill out a form asking personal information and pay for my own background check ! Wow, can you believe that? and for something i'm guaranteed as a right in the Constitution. I still have to wait 10 days to get them.... 10 days! Golly gee.

http://oag.ca.gov/firearms/pfecfaqs#2

What information is required for a Personal Firearms Eligibility Check (PFEC)?

You must submit a completed PFEC application, pdf, a copy of your California Driver’s License or Identification Card, and fees in the amount of $20. The application must be signed and notarized, and include an impression of your right thumbprint. If you are a non-U.S. citizen, you must also submit a copy of your Alien Registration or I-94 Card.

How much does the PFEC cost?

The fee for the PFEC is $20, payable to the Department of Justice by check or money order. DO NOT SEND CASH.

How do I find a Notary Public?

Many websites provide area searches for notaries public. Notaries public can also be found in the yellow pages of your local telephone directory.

How long will it take to get the results of my PFEC?

The results will be sent via U.S. Mail. The Department of Justice makes every effort to process requests for PFECs within 30 days of receipt. However, due to budget constraints, please allow 90 - 120 days for the results.

What records are checked to determine the results of my PFEC?

The Department of Justice will check all relevant state and federal databases to determine whether you are lawfully permitted to possess/purchase firearms.

Under what conditions is someone considered ineligible to possess and/or purchase firearms?

Any person who has been convicted of a felony, certain misdemeanors, certain firearms offenses, who is addicted to narcotics, who is the subject of a domestic violence restraining order, or has been committed to a mental institution pursuant to Welfare and Institutions Code section 8100, may not possess or have under his or her control any firearm. See Prohibiting Categories, pdf. Certain federal statutes impose lifetime and other more restrictive prohibitions on firearm possession. Additionally, certain statutory conditions exist that allow for the possession of firearms but preclude the acquisition or purchase of additional firearms, such as the subjects of certain restraining orders and those under state or federal indictment.

Will the PFEC results include information about my criminal history?

No. The Firearms Eligibility Notice will indicate you are either: 1) eligible to both possess and purchase firearms as of the date the check was conducted; 2) ineligible to either possess or purchase firearms as of the date the check was conducted; 3) Eligible to possess, but ineligible to purchase firearms as of the date the check was conducted; or 4) as of the date the check was conducted a definitive firearms possession eligibility determination could not be made. A determination cannot be made if, for instance, a person has a firearms-prohibiting arrest in his or her record, but there is not a corresponding disposition.

If I receive an eligible to possess response, what factors could change my status to ineligible?

Your status would change to ineligible to possess if you become lawfully prohibited from possessing firearms. See Prohibiting Categories, pdf.

The results of my PFEC indicated that I am eligible to possess firearms but not eligible to purchase firearms. What does that mean?

Certain statutory conditions exist that allow for the possession of firearms but preclude the acquisition or purchase of additional firearms, such as persons who are subjects of certain restraining orders and those under state or federal indictment. Therefore, persons falling into this category may retain possession of firearms they currently own, but may not apply to purchase additional firearms. Additionally, because a valid California Driver’s License or Identification Card is required to purchase a firearm, someone with a suspended or expired driver’s license is not prohibited from possessing firearms but is unable to purchase a firearm without a valid driver’s license or identification card.

I currently own firearms and want to know if I can purchase another firearm. If the results of my PFEC indicate I am eligible to possess, but ineligible to purchase firearms, can I keep the firearms I own?

Yes. If you are found to be eligible to possess but ineligible to purchase firearms, you may keep the firearms you currently own, but cannot purchase additional firearms as of the date of the check.

I currently own firearms and want to know if I can purchase another firearm. If the results of my PFEC indicate I am ineligible to either possess or purchase firearms, can I keep the firearms I own?

No. If you are found to be ineligible to either possess or purchase firearms as a result of the PFEC, you must relinquish any firearms you may have in your possession to a law enforcement agency or designate a power of attorney to take control and possession of them for you. Furthermore, firearms may not stay in the constructive possession of a prohibited person (e.g. you may not transfer possession to a person sharing the same household). The Power of Attorney, pdf form can be downloaded from this website.

The results of my PFEC indicate I am ineligible to either possess or purchase firearms and one of the firearms I own is a registered assault weapon. Can I transfer possession of the assault weapon to another person?

No. California law prohibits the transfer of registered assault weapons between 2 parties. You may either sell the assault weapon to a licensed firearms dealer who holds an assault weapon permit, or relinquish the assault weapon to your local law enforcement agency. Be sure to contact the agency prior to delivering the weapon.

The results of my PFEC indicated that a determination of my eligibility to possess firearms could not be made. What does that mean?

A determination cannot be made if, for instance, a person has a firearms-prohibiting arrest in his or her record, but there is not a corresponding disposition. You may request a summary of your California criminal history record by telephoning (916) 227-3832. It is important to understand that your criminal history record will not reveal certain other firearms prohibition categories, such as mental health, restraining orders, wanted persons and applicable federal prohibitions.

I am not a U.S. citizen. Can I have a PFEC conducted?

Non-U.S. citizens that are in the country legally can have a PFEC conducted. You must include your Alien Registration or I-94 number on the PFEC application, and include a copy of your Alien Registration or I-94 card with your application package. A valid Alien Registration or I-94 card is required at the time of purchase of any firearm. Non-U.S. citizen applicants must also meet certain federal requirements to purchase a firearm, unrelated to the firearms eligibility background check.

Does the PFEC satisfy the requirement for a background check when I go to a firearms dealer to purchase a firearm?

No. Another background check and the 10-day waiting period will apply.

Is a temporary driver’s license or invalid license acceptable for the purpose of obtaining a PFEC?

A temporary or invalid driver’s license is acceptable for the purposes of conducting a PFEC. However, a valid California Driver’s License or Identification Card is required at the time of purchase of any firearm.

What should I do if I don’t agree with the results of the PFEC?

If you disagree with the results of the PFEC, please contact the DOJ Firearms Program at (916) 227-3749.

How can I get a copy of my California criminal history record?

You may obtain information on how to receive a summary of your California criminal history record by telephoning (916) 227-3832. It is important to understand that your criminal history record will not reveal certain other firearms prohibition categories, such as mental health, restraining orders, wanted persons and applicable federal prohibitions.

Can a prospective employer require me to obtain a PFEC as a condition of employment?

Penal Code section 12077.5(g) prohibits persons or agencies from requesting or requiring another person to have a PFEC conducted. However, effective January 1, 2004, California Licensed Firearms dealers are authorized to require their employees to possess a Certificate of Eligibility as evidence that the employee is not prohibited from possessing firearms. For more information on Certificates of Eligibility please refer to the dealer FAQs.

I submitted an application for a PFEC but forgot to enclose the fee. What should I do?

Incomplete application submissions will be returned to the applicant allowing the applicant 30 days to resubmit a complete package. Questions regarding PFEC can be directed to (916) 227-3749.

What if I have a disability that prevents me from completing the application? Applicants lacking the ability to complete the application may have assistance with the completion of the application. The application must be signed by the applicant. The notary public will certify the applicant is who is stated on the application.
When it gets to this point post about it, but until then.......... whatever.
 

tweaker2

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I guess big brother boogieman is not the same as little brother boogieman. Who'd have thought that 1984 would start in the south at the state level and not at the top fed levels like the fringe whacko righties keep harping on about.

Apples and oranges monovillage, apples and oranges. ;)
 

Skitzer

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A federal appeals court ruled on Monday that Alabama and Georgia could enforce key aspects of their laws against illegal immigration that allow police to check the status of criminal suspects.
I have no problems with this whatsoever.
 

Double Trouble

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It's not like they're randomly pulling people off the street like NY does, they are allowing law enforcement to check the status of suspected criminals. I have no problem with that.
 

Demo24

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For a variety of reasons we actually have a fair number of illegals here, kind of surprised its taken this long to happen.
 

nehalem256

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It's not like they're randomly pulling people off the street like NY does, they are allowing law enforcement to check the status of suspected criminals. I have no problem with that.
Using government law enforcement to check if people are illegal aliens... crazy. That is something that should be left to private corporations.
 

Pr0d1gy

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Good to see my state doing the right thing. The criminals are not who we need here. Far be it from me to talk down on immigrants who come here to work and become a part of our nation, for that is why most of us are here now, but why we allow the criminals to stay in this country is beyond me.
 

nehalem256

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Good to see my state doing the right thing. The criminals are not who we need here. Far be it from me to talk down on immigrants who come here to work and become a part of our nation, for that is why most of us are here now, but why we allow the criminals to stay in this country is beyond me.
Because they vote Democrat
 

diesbudt

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Yeah, i went to buy a gun and not only did I have to show my papers, I had to fill out a form asking personal information and pay for my own background check ! Wow, can you believe that? and for something i'm guaranteed as a right in the Constitution. I still have to wait 10 days to get them.... 10 days! Golly gee.

http://oag.ca.gov/firearms/pfecfaqs#2



When it gets to this point post about it, but until then.......... whatever.

The amendment is the right to bare arms. Not the right to obtain arms.

May want to remember that.
 

diesbudt

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So you are arguing that the government would still be protecting freedom of the press if they banned printing ink?
Yep. Press isn't just ink. We have internet forums, painted billboards, radio, tv. All forms of the press.

Don't get me wrong. I am all for guns. I just need to remind people that the law states something very different than what people intend to use it for in reguards to their arguments. Because in the day these amendments were created almost everyone was expected to have a gun or 2, to protect their property from other people or raiding native american parties, or to organize as a militia quickly if war ever broke out.

Also the word "arms" can also be defined as swords, axes, maces, bow and arrow, sporks. Whatever can kill.
 

PokerGuy

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The amendment is the right to bare arms. Not the right to obtain arms.

May want to remember that.
Urf, derp, yeah, just remember you have a right to vote, not a right to get to the polling station so it's OK to block all the roads going there. Urf Derp.
 

Jaskalas

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This is how you begin to repel and fight back against the invasion, until the border is sealed and we can focus on integration - their lives will be made a living hell.
 

spacejamz

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I still don't understand where those who are pro-illegal immigration think the money needed to deliver their anchor babies and other emergency room services as well as providing them free education, bilingual teachers, bilingual text books and free breakfast/lunch is going to come from while the country is going totally broke. The citizens of this country are having to pay increased hospitals costs and the quality of the education of children has suffered greatly because teachers are spending more time with those who did not learn english as their first language.
 

diesbudt

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Urf, derp, yeah, just remember you have a right to vote, not a right to get to the polling station so it's OK to block all the roads going there. Urf Derp.
You don't have the right to get to the polling station on time. If you get there too late or miss it because of whatever happened. Too bad.

--> Your saying if you miss the poll times because of traffic or whatever, that you have the right to get there and vote even though they are closed?

Sorry they won't stay open just for a person.

Don't make a comparison unless its Apple --> Apple. You tried passing off an orange as an apple.
 
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diesbudt

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You have a right to freedom of speech, they can always cut out your tongue.
They cannot cut out ones tounge, as that breaks other laws and codes when it comes to government and punishments. But if the government was allowed to cut out ones tounge, then yes this would be true.

But also remember. Internet, texting, Instant messenger, Email, and so on are still forms of speech. And thus even without a tounge one is still allowed "freedom of speech"
 

Pr0d1gy

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I still don't understand where those who are pro-illegal immigration think the money needed to deliver their anchor babies and other emergency room services as well as providing them free education, bilingual teachers, bilingual text books and free breakfast/lunch is going to come from while the country is going totally broke. The citizens of this country are having to pay increased hospitals costs and the quality of the education of children has suffered greatly because teachers are spending more time with those who did not learn english as their first language.
Exactly. They have become a massive drain on our country. You forgot that we also cover their healthcare and that a good portion of the money their parents make ends up going to another country. That said, targetting the criminals is the best place to make a huge dent in this issue.
 

diesbudt

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Exactly. They have become a massive drain on our country. You forgot that we also cover their healthcare and that a good portion of the money their parents make ends up going to another country. That said, targetting the criminals is the best place to make a huge dent in this issue.
You forget also. Paying them under the table, is almost as good as that money entering the black market. As any wages they earn are not taxed (Some tax money the country loses), and a portion of illegal immigrants are drug runners and/or entering and end up joining a gang. Much more money lost in the underground untaxed.
 

Jaskalas

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It's not for exactly the same reason as 1930's Germany but close enough.

History always repeats itself because man is a pretty dumb creature.
There are Republicans out there who want to see illegals removed by force. That obviously results in large scale violence, the consequences of which would resemble Germany. I mean, what else is going to happen if we chaotically apply force to relocate 20 million people?

Whether the pot boils over to this predictable crescendo is another matter. Most folks are all bark and no bite. They are also deluded into thinking their position is more popular than it really is. Many people would think I back the use of force, for example. I most certainly do not.

Still, if you want to avoid all this risk of brooding violence, simply pull the rug out from under them. Build a god damn border fence, place the military on the border, SEAL THE BORDER. Consider it a peace dividend, the cost of avoiding 1930s Germany.

We can work on achieving integration if there won't be 50+ million more of them down the road. Until the border is sealed, all bets of a peaceful resolution are off.
 
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