Alabama: Better Save the Tray of Embryos Over the Baby

[Brainonska511]

Alabama's supreme court, in its infinite wisdom, has finally given us idiot's answer to the hypothetical question of "If you can only take one, which do you save in a burning fertility clinic: the baby or a tray of 1000 embryos?" It seems that they would tell us the embryos should take precedence, given that 1000 > 1.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/02/19/alabama-supreme-court-embryos-children-ivf/

The Alabama Supreme Court ruled Friday that frozen embryos are people and someone can be held liable for destroying them, a decision that reproductive rights advocates say could imperil in vitro fertilization (IVF) and affect the hundreds of thousands of patients who depend on treatments like it each year.

 

[HomerJS]

WTF!!

 

[feralkid]

I guess they count the chickens before the eggs are hatched.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

This is amazing. Finally, the abortion bullshit comes home to roost for middle class families in the deepest red state.

 

[Moonbeam]

This is amazing. Finally, the abortion bullshit comes home to roost for middle class families in the deepest red state.

Going with the 'chicken analogy' I see. Birds of a feather, maybe.

I learned at my father's knee so many many years ago where this kind of thinking would lead. Regularly he would tell me, sensing the possible up and coming bleeding heart liberal son he may have helped spawn, that if every alligator egg that got laid survived to adulthood, we would be up to our asses in alligators.

 

[alien42]

So in Alabama most women are guilty of involuntary manslaughter about once a month?

 

[trenchfoot]

Not to worry folks, those Alabamian politicians are so much smarter than any scientist worth his salt. Small wonder the folks who run those welfare states don't like it when much smarter and wiser people are telling them what's what because these politicians have turned to God for their guidance and that in itself handily rebukes every sinning scientist's facts and truths about any subject under the sun.

Just ask any politically corrupted man of the cloth if God hates scientists and they'll tell you straight up "Hell Yes!" because their flock of dumbed down clueless faithful can't be trusted with the devil's sword that knowledge, that being educated really is. Can't have their congregations asking questions that are hard to answer with a straight face oh no's. Can't have those folks making up their own minds about things that affect their daily lives. They need to be "guided". They need to be dependent. They need to be obedient.

 

[Jaskalas]

They need to be "guided". They need to be dependent. They need to be obedient.

Humans tend towards tribal violence and slavery upon one another.
It is only by our institutions instilling a sense of common decency and human rights, that any of us dare to do better.

 

[fskimospy]

Remember when anti-abortion folks refused to answer this hypothetical, saying that it was ridiculous?

 

[nOOky]

Alabama has seen a recent decline in the number of alter boys in the Catholic church available for diddling by management. It may take 3 to 4 years for these embryos to reach diddling age, but it will be worth the wait. They keep them thin and attractive by not accepting federal monies for summer school lunches, it's a win-win.

 

[WelshBloke]

That means that storing embryos for any reason in Alabama is now untenable. So no IVF, no storing embryos before cancer treatment...

Also the ones already in storage, they now have to be stored in perpetuity? If the company doing it goes bankrupt or stops doing business for any reason then the owner of the embryos needs to buy a home cryogenic system to store them or they get done for murder when the embryos defrost?

 

[Pens1566]

This will be hilarious once they start processing tax filings.

 

[Zorba]

So in Alabama most women are guilty of involuntary manslaughter about once a month?

That would be an egg, not an embryo.

 

[fskimospy]

That means that storing embryos for any reason in Alabama is now untenable. So no IVF, no storing embryos before cancer treatment...

Also the ones already in storage, they now have to be stored in perpetuity? If the company doing it goes bankrupt or stops doing business for any reason then the owner of the embryos needs to buy a home cryogenic system to store them or they get done for murder when the embryos defrost?

I think more likely is all IVF clinics will move out of the state. What else can you do? You can’t actually perform any IVF there anyway because some fertilized embryos will likely be destroyed and that’s now murder. If there’s a power outage you could be on the hook for manslaughter.

And as Paratus has mentioned there’s a decent case that having sex with any woman over the age of 45 could be considered manslaughter as the odds of miscarriage are very high.

 

[fskimospy]

It’s also worth reading the chief justice’s concurrence on this. It is impressively insane - something the Taliban would have written.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1759095087789727894

 

[Zorba]

Don't worry,, birth control is next since they claim it's an abortionate (sp?).

 

[fskimospy]

Don't worry,, birth control is next since they claim it's an abortionate (sp?).

It would seem that any method of birth control that functions by preventing implantation would be murder, yes, so no more IUDs in Alabama.

Arguably, any woman who currently has an IUD may want to consider fleeing the state.

 

[Brainonska511]

Remember when anti-abortion folks refused to answer this hypothetical, saying that it was ridiculous?

This thread title was directly inspired by those threads and conversations.

Don't worry,, birth control is next since they claim it's an abortionate (sp?).

So great that conservatives want to throw out Chevron too - who needs to defer to agencies' scientific (and other) expertise when you could have a judge rule in court instead.

 

[WelshBloke]

I think more likely is all IVF clinics will move out of the state. What else can you do? You can’t actually perform any IVF there anyway because some fertilized embryos will likely be destroyed and that’s now murder. If there’s a power outage you could be on the hook for manslaughter.

And as Paratus has mentioned there’s a decent case that having sex with any woman over the age of 45 could be considered manslaughter as the odds of miscarriage are very high.

Can they even move those embryos out of state? I wouldn't put it past some asshole to try to make child trafficking laws apply!

 

[brycejones]

So every miscarriage will be fully investigated as a homicide?

 

[brycejones]

It’s also worth reading the chief justice’s concurrence on this. It is impressively insane - something the Taliban would have written.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1759095087789727894

Holy shit, that's completely fucking insane.

 

[Paratus]

I think more likely is all IVF clinics will move out of the state. What else can you do? You can’t actually perform any IVF there anyway because some fertilized embryos will likely be destroyed and that’s now murder. If there’s a power outage you could be on the hook for manslaughter.

And as Paratus has mentioned there’s a decent case that having sex with any woman over the age of 45 could be considered manslaughter as the odds of miscarriage are very high.

Yup. I’d argue that any unprotected sex is manslaughter as the best the risk gets is about equivalent to Russian roulette.



(We don’t generally notice this because most spontaneous abortions happen when the fertilized egg doesn’t implant so the woman doesn’t become pregnant but for Alabama that’s now a dead kid)

 

[brycejones]

Alabama, this is what generations of cousin fucking has resulted in.

 

[Indus]

So every miscarriage will be fully investigated as a homicide?

I almost want to make a joke here but what if they were migrant miscarriages? Shouldn't you be fighting for their human and civil rights?

But I digress.. it's utter stupidity and I agree with you!

 

[HomerJS]

So in Alabama most women are guilty of involuntary manslaughter about once a month?

I had an idea to flush out this abortion thing using their argument a fertilized egg is a person.

If a couple where one is a lawyer so costs will be kept to minimum. The woman will openly state she will file her tax returns with and extra dependent despite never giving birth to a child. Her rationale is women produce an egg once a month and I consider that a child so I will declare it.

Eventually the IRS will have to take her to court and argue a fertilized egg is not a person. I suspect they will win that case.