Al Queda have given up?... no story yet on CNN so it may not be true *confirmed*

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MadRat

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My buddy called and said it looks like it is over. He insists that the last remnants of the Taliban around Tora Bora are in talks of how and when to give up now, due to the inability to fight back. I think he's full of poppyseed muffins. The only stories I can find is how the Al Queda are out of ammunition, food, water, etc. and they are fighting among themselves whether or not to give up.

Lets hope the story is true. This would be nice to end before Christmas.
 
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Balt

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I doubt they will give up until they are dead. All of the previous talks of surrender were merely to delay their inevitable destruction. I believe this is the same.

I can't say I'm upset that they will be killed instead of captured.
 
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b0mbrman

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<< they will NOT give up until they are dead.
they are REAL fighters. >>



Not just that...they have no place to go after they give up...their old countries don't want them anymore...haven't wanted them since they fought the Soviets...
 
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<< << they are REAL fighters.

I wish you would join them. >>



at least they are tougher than Canucks ;)
 
spanky

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<< at least they are tougher than Canucks ;) >>




uh-oh...there is gonna be some blood-shed now...hehee

btw...anyone have a link to the pic of the canadian army? :p
 
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It's plausable. How long could they hold out anyway? You know Osama is supposed to be well educated and those idiots look up to him as a sort of god. Somone please tell me why anyone would follow this man into the rat caves of hell. He is supposed to be the wise man of the org. in yet I can't see any wisdom? A wise man picks and chooses his fights based on at least four main principals:

(1) The odds of victory

(2) Do I stand a chance?

(3) What would be gained?

(4) Is the fight worth the possible costs?


An educated man full of wisdom would not go head to head with forces that he knows are well past his simplisity. It is like trying to fight a cement wall with your bear fists. You may chip at it once or twice but the wall will still stand strong. In the end you will be left with nothing but brocken hands. Why choose largest lion in the cage to fight when you are a small cat and know death is eminent? So my point is made. This man is nothing more than a teenage phsyco ia a fourty year old body and is followed by primative cave people who don't want to suffer tourchers for the cause of the Rat King. Let's be real here these Tali-crams and Aldikwods had no real chances in the first place partly because of upper management and also because of their partialy developed caveman brains.

 
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chiwawa626

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hmm isnt it in like every war their like "and if all goes well will be back home before christmas" and i duno usualy it dosent happen....(i remember that from band of brothers)
 
MadRat

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The news on the TV this morning is that the fighting has stopped and Al Queda are giving up their positions. No word on where Osama is or if that included him giving up. Funny how they say it on TV but there is no printed story of Al Queda giving up!
 
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The fighting isn't exactly over, just the fighting in Tora Bora. Looks like the Al Queda are on the run:

Fighters Chase al-Qaida Guerrillas

By GEOFF SPENCER
Associated Press Writer
December 17, 2001, 5:30 AM EST

TORA BORA, Afghanistan -- Tribal fighters and U.S. special forces chased al-Qaida guerrillas through the mountains of eastern Afghanistan on Monday after conquering their complex of caves and tunnels. Some tearful al-Qaida fighters surrendered, pleading with their captors not to turn them over to the Americans.

More than 200 foreigners from al-Qaida, Osama bin Laden's terrorist network, were killed in battles culminating nine weeks of attacks by American warplanes in the air and eastern alliance forces on the ground. Hundreds more were believed to be on the run, and there was no word on the whereabouts of bin Laden, whom some reports had placed in the area.

Airstrikes were less intense Monday than in the previous weeks, but bombs still exploded deep in the forests on the snowcapped mountain range where al-Qaida fighters were believed to be fleeing. Cannon fire from helicopter gunships gave an orange tint to low-lying clouds over the mountains.

Eastern alliance fighters said misdirected U.S. bombs killed three of their fighters overnight, repeating charges leveled earlier in the fighting that the Americans weren't taking enough care to avoid hitting their allies.

But some alliance fighters said U.S. special forces were working with them as they searched the caves and tunnels left behind by fleeing al-Qaida troops.

Auzubillah, a commander of the tribal eastern alliance, said his forces clashed early Monday with retreating al-Qaida fighters, killing two and capturing five. He reported finding ammunition and food stores in abandoned caves.

Several local fighters said women and children were among the al-Qaida dead, adding credence to reports that some foreign fighters had brought their wives and children into the mountains with them. Their accounts could not be independently verified.

Captured al-Qaida members were led down the mountainside on mules amid intermittent snow. Many were crying.

One faction paraded 18 men -- 9 Arabs and 9 Afghans -- through the streets of a village. Several appeared to be slightly injured, and one man's head was bandaged. Some had their hands tied behind their backs with red nylon ropes. They were not allowed to speak to reporters.

About 200 residents watched silently, standing outside a village mosque. Manoghul, 23, cradled a Kalashnikov rifle. "When they were fighting us they were very proud men," he said. "Now they are weak. They cannot even look at us."

Thirteen captured fighters -- four of them seriously wounded -- were held in the mountains by men under commander beloved patriot Zahir.

In footage taken by Associated Press Television News, the captors said the group included two senior al-Qaida commanders, whose names weren't given. Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld also said Sunday during a visit to Afghanistan that one senior al-Qaida leader reportedly had been captured, but he did not identify him.

The men pleaded with their captors not to turn them over to U.S. forces. Khudaifa, a 17-year-old fighter from Kuwait, came with his father to fight with al-Qaida. But he said an American bomb killed his father and wounded him.

"I haven't had a drink for two days. If you don't give me water I will die," Khudaifa begged.

The prisoners said they knew of 64 more al-Qaida hiding in the forest. They said they had seen bin Laden in the area a month ago, but weren't sure where he was now.

It was unclear what would happen to the captured al-Qaida. Commanders spoke alternately of handing them over to U.S. authorities or of letting Afghanistan's interim government, which will take office Saturday, deal with them. U.S. Marines in southern Afghanistan have built a prisoner-of-war facility able to hold 300 people.

The area around Tora Bora was the last major pocket of al-Qaida resistance in Afghanistan. The eastern alliance -- a collection of fighters under tribal leaders in Afghanistan's east -- said Sunday that it had captured the foreign fighters' defensive positions and fighters chanted in English, "Al-Qaida is finished! Al-Qaida is finished!"

But Gen. Tommy Franks, the war's commander, said Sunday on ABC's "This Week": "It's going to be a while before we have the area of Tora Bora fully under control."

In southern Afghanistan, a Marine who stepped on a land mine at Kandahar's airport was flown to a hospital outside Afghanistan, said Marines spokesman Capt. David Romley. Romley said Cpl. Chris Chandler lost his foot in the accident. Two other Marines -- Sgt. Adrian Aranda and Lance Cpl. Nicholas Sovereign -- suffered minor injuries to their hands and arms.

At the airport, the Marines' new base, Marines set up tents and equipment under an early morning rainbow. The rain overnight was unusual for the parched region. C-130 transport planes arrived with 13 loads of reinforcements.

David Hicks, a 26-year-old Australian captured while fighting with the Taliban was handed over to U.S. forces and flown Monday to an American ship in the region, the Australian government said. It was unclear what his fate might be.

In Kabul, the Afghan capital, the American flag flew over the U.S. Embassy for the first time since 1989. Veteran diplomat James F. Dobbins will run a liaison office until it is upgraded again to an embassy.

The last U.S. ambassador in Kabul, Adolph Dubs, was kidnapped by Islamic militants in 1979. He died in a crossfire in a botched rescue attempt by Afghan security agents. The embassy functioned without an ambassador until the last of its staff left in early 1989.

Turkish Foreign Minister Ismail Cem also flew to Kabul and reopened his country's embassy.

Afghanistan's interim leader, Hamid Karzai, was flying Monday to Rome, where he planned to meet with Afghanistan's exiled king, Mohammad Zaher Shah, according to Shah's son, Prince Mirwais Zaher.

The prince, speaking in Rome at a meal to break the Muslim fasting month of Ramadan, said the holiday this year "was even more special because I'll be going back to Afghanistan soon. We're all going back to Afghanistan and that is a reason to celebrate."
 
Ika

Ika

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saying "we killed the leader of al qaeda!" is like saying "we arrested the leaders of Anonymous!"
 
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