Al Qaida Links Jordan Bombings To Iraq War

[Pabster]

Story here.

So it looks like Jordan has woken up to the face the music...Just as European countries are beginning to do the same.

Al Qaida is so desperate now they are willing to sacrifice the lives of hundreds of innocent Muslims (non-Iraqis, even) for their "cause".

I saw a report today, can't recall where, there was a fairly sizeable protest in Jordan with a whole crowd chanting "Kill Zarqawi" and "Stop Al Qaida" ... These are good signs.

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: Pabster
Story here.

So it looks like Jordan has woken up to the face the music...Just as European countries are beginning to do the same.

Al Qaida is so desperate now they are willing to sacrifice the lives of hundreds of innocent Muslims (non-Iraqis, even) for their "cause".

I saw a report today, can't recall where, there was a fairly sizeable protest in Jordan with a whole crowd chanting "Kill Zarqawi" and "Stop Al Qaida" ... These are good signs.

Yes, because this is clearly the first time al Qaida has gone after Muslims.....

 

[Harvey]

Pabster -- What's your point?

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: Strk

Originally posted by: Pabster
Story here.

So it looks like Jordan has woken up to the face the music...Just as European countries are beginning to do the same.

Al Qaida is so desperate now they are willing to sacrifice the lives of hundreds of innocent Muslims (non-Iraqis, even) for their "cause".

I saw a report today, can't recall where, there was a fairly sizeable protest in Jordan with a whole crowd chanting "Kill Zarqawi" and "Stop Al Qaida" ... These are good signs.

Yes, because this is clearly the first time al Qaida has gone after Muslims.....

Bullshit. Al Qaida kills Muslims almost every day in Iraq.

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: Strk

Originally posted by: Pabster
Story here.

So it looks like Jordan has woken up to the face the music...Just as European countries are beginning to do the same.

Al Qaida is so desperate now they are willing to sacrifice the lives of hundreds of innocent Muslims (non-Iraqis, even) for their "cause".

I saw a report today, can't recall where, there was a fairly sizeable protest in Jordan with a whole crowd chanting "Kill Zarqawi" and "Stop Al Qaida" ... These are good signs.

Yes, because this is clearly the first time al Qaida has gone after Muslims.....

Bullshit. Al Qaida kills Muslims almost every day in Iraq.

We need more emotes that signify sarcasm, if you ask me. The rolling eyes just aren't always suitable.

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: Strk

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: Strk

Originally posted by: Pabster
Story here.

So it looks like Jordan has woken up to the face the music...Just as European countries are beginning to do the same.

Al Qaida is so desperate now they are willing to sacrifice the lives of hundreds of innocent Muslims (non-Iraqis, even) for their "cause".

I saw a report today, can't recall where, there was a fairly sizeable protest in Jordan with a whole crowd chanting "Kill Zarqawi" and "Stop Al Qaida" ... These are good signs.

Yes, because this is clearly the first time al Qaida has gone after Muslims.....

Bullshit. Al Qaida kills Muslims almost every day in Iraq.

We need more emotes that signify sarcasm, if you ask me. The rolling eyes just aren't always suitable.

Ah, it was sarcasm. I was hoping you weren't serious

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Ah, it was sarcasm. I was hoping you weren't serious

Aye, I thought it was apparent, but eh, sometimes not so much outside of my head

But yeah, the attacks in Iraq are probably 5-10 Iraqis for every American killed. I mean, when you see those big attacks, it's usually either all Iraqis or something like two or three Americans and 20 to 30 Iraqis killed.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Strk
But yeah, the attacks in Iraq are probably 5-10 Iraqis for every American killed. I mean, when you see those big attacks, it's usually either all Iraqis or something like two or three Americans and 20 to 30 Iraqis killed.

That's true these days, but it wasn't always that way. For a long time, Al Qaida was specifically targetting our soldiers and convoys and avoiding (for the most part) killing Muslims. These recent acts of violence show just how desperate AQ has become.

 

[tnitsuj]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Strk
But yeah, the attacks in Iraq are probably 5-10 Iraqis for every American killed. I mean, when you see those big attacks, it's usually either all Iraqis or something like two or three Americans and 20 to 30 Iraqis killed.

That's true these days, but it wasn't always that way. For a long time, Al Qaida was specifically targetting our soldiers and convoys and avoiding (for the most part) killing Muslims. These recent acts of violence show just how desperate AQ has become.

I think you are mistaking increased capabilities and opportunities for desperation. Jordan has an extremely ruthless and efficient internal security apparatus. They have foiled many plots in the past including failed attempts at I believe two of those hotels that were bombed today.

You also have to realize that Al Qaeda is not a monolithic organization. The particuarly Al Qaeda in Iraq organization lead by the Jordanina Al Zarqawi has set up it's base of operations in Iraq where they have become well organized, well financed, and very ruthless. It is likely that this attack came from the organization in Iraq and is a mark of thier increased capabilities that they were able to carry it off in Jordan at this time, when previous attempts have failed.


I don't see any profesional analysts coming to the conclusion that these organizations are "desperate". Perhaps more powerful in some cases, even more decentralized in others, certainly more sophisticated and capable as is shown by these current attacks and attacks in Iraq against US, coalition, and civillian targets.

 

[dahunan]

Wait til they bring it here

 

[tnitsuj]

Also, don't forget that Al Zarqawi of the Al Qaeda in Iraq organization began his terrorist career with attacks against the Jordanian regime. This is true of most of the organizations that grew into Al Qaeda. They began and still have as thier main goal the overthrow of secular/not sufficiently islamic/corrupt/and or simply despotic regimes in the Arab and Muslim worlds. Part of the whole new Caliphate scheme.

This is nothing new, they are just getting better at it, and Iraq is proving to be a training ground for that.

 

[nageov3t]

I don't really see how this is a sign of desperation... if anything, just the opposite.

they still clearly have the infrastructure in place to launch major terrorist attacks, even outside of Iraq.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: tnitsuj
Also, don't forget that Al Zarqawi of the Al Qaeda in Iraq organization began his terrorist career with attacks against the Jordanian regime. This is true of most of the organizations that grew into Al Qaeda. They began and still have as thier main goal the overthrow of secular/not sufficiently islamic/corrupt/and or simply despotic regimes in the Arab and Muslim worlds. Part of the whole new Caliphate scheme.

This is nothing new, they are just getting better at it, and Iraq is proving to be a training ground for that.

Out of curiousity.. didn't they also hate Saddam because he was not sufficiently Islamic?

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: loki8481
I don't really see how this is a sign of desperation... if anything, just the opposite.

they still clearly have the infrastructure in place to launch major terrorist attacks, even outside of Iraq.

It's really not hard to carry out a suicide attack. All it takes is a willing individual (those are easy to come by in the middle east) and some explosives.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Bring it on

 

[tnitsuj]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: loki8481
I don't really see how this is a sign of desperation... if anything, just the opposite.

they still clearly have the infrastructure in place to launch major terrorist attacks, even outside of Iraq.

It's really not hard to carry out a suicide attack. All it takes is a willing individual (those are easy to come by in the middle east) and some explosives.

Actually you need an organization capable of recruiting the bombers, procuring and building the device, reconissance on the target, a great deal of coordination and organization to launch multiple coordinated attacks in a virtual police state which is what Jordan is. It isn't that easy. Have you ever been in the Middle East? Iraq? Jordan? It isn't quite like how you describe it. Very few individuals or poorly organzed small groups of people carry out attacks like these. You need a fairly substantial network.

 

[tnitsuj]

Originally posted by: Orignal Earl
Bring it on

This isn't funny. We have an enemy that is growing more and more capable and expanding it's Area of Operations to countries where they had been chased out of previously, and half of you want to play it off as desperation while the others just want to make fun of president Bush for some ill considered words he said over 4 years ago.

Bravo to you all.

 

[morkinva]

Yep, it looks like the boogyman 'Al Qaida' did it again :roll:

Scores dead in three Amman hotel bombings; Israelis evacuated before attack

 

[tnitsuj]

Originally posted by: morkinva
Yep, it looks like the boogyman 'Al Qaida' did it again :roll:

Scores dead in three Amman hotel bombings; Israelis evacuated before attack

I am not sure what you mean by that? Please remember that Al Qaeda is not one monolithic organization. The organization claiming responsibility for this calls itself Al Qaeda in Iraq and is a distinct and seperate entity.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: tnitsuj

Originally posted by: Orignal Earl
Bring it on

This isn't funny. We have an enemy that is growing more and more capable and expanding it's Area of Operations to countries where they had been chased out of previously, and half of you want to play it off as desperation while the others just want to make fun of president Bush for some ill considered words he said over 4 years ago.

Bravo to you all.

Your president created more problems with this enemy than any other in history..

He is thier greatest recruiter ever

 

[FrancesBeansRevenge]

Originally posted by: morkinva
Yep, it looks like the boogyman 'Al Qaida' did it again :roll:

Scores dead in three Amman hotel bombings; Israelis evacuated before attack

And, oh gee look, one of Israel's best friends Bashir Nafeh, the head of the Palestinian intelligence services, just coincidentally happened to be killed in the very same attacks. How very convenient for Israel.

Text

The head of the Palestinian intelligence services, Bashir Nafeh, was among those killed in a blast that shook a hotel in the Jordanian capital, a top Palestinian diplomat said.

"Bashir Nafeh was killed in the attack on the Grand Hyatt hotel," charge d'affaires Atallah Khairy said.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Originally posted by: tnitsuj

Originally posted by: Orignal Earl
Bring it on

This isn't funny. We have an enemy that is growing more and more capable and expanding it's Area of Operations to countries where they had been chased out of previously, and half of you want to play it off as desperation while the others just want to make fun of president Bush for some ill considered words he said over 4 years ago.

Bravo to you all.

I wasn't trying to be funny at all
From the moment he spoke those words, I decided every attack no matter where, should be his responsibility, and those who voted for him the second time

"I am shaking my head in disbelief," Lautenberg said. "When I served in the Army in Europe during World War II, I never heard any military commander ? let alone the commander in chief ? invite enemies to attack U.S. troops."

Rep. Dick Gephardt, D-Mo., said, "I have a message for the president: enough of the phony, macho rhetoric."

 

[tnitsuj]

Originally posted by: FrancesBeansRevenge

Originally posted by: morkinva
Yep, it looks like the boogyman 'Al Qaida' did it again :roll:

Scores dead in three Amman hotel bombings; Israelis evacuated before attack

And, oh gee look, one of Israel's best friends Bashir Nafeh, the head of the Palestinian intelligence services, just coincidentally happened to be killed in the very same attacks. How very convenient for Israel.

Text

The head of the Palestinian intelligence services, Bashir Nafeh, was among those killed in a blast that shook a hotel in the Jordanian capital, a top Palestinian diplomat said.

"Bashir Nafeh was killed in the attack on the Grand Hyatt hotel," charge d'affaires Atallah Khairy said.

So you are saying this is some sort of Israeli conspiracy? Right. Perfectly credible. Al Zarqaqi is working together with Israeli intelligence to kill a Palestinian. We can take that theory to the bank.

 

[morkinva]

It is a bit convenient... All I'm saying is that, as usual, it's some kind of false flag operation. Nothing new here, move along...

 

[dahunan]

I have not read this article but I saw it on a Google News link for articles related to this bombing
U.S. created al-Zarqawi myth - claim
http://news.monstersandcritics.com/midd...p/U.S._created_al-Zarqawi_myth_-_claim