al-Qaida Detainees 'Disappeared'

[Engineer]

Click me.

The report said the prisoners include the alleged architect of the Sept. 11 attacks, Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, as well as Abu Zubaydah, who is believed to be a close aide to Osama bin Laden (news - web sites).


In refusing to disclose the prisoners' whereabouts or acknowledge the detentions, Human Rights Watch said, the U.S. government has violated international law, international treaties and the Geneva Convention. The group called on the government to bring all the prisoners "under the protection of the law."


"I think the U.S. demeans itself when it adopts the philosophy that the ends justify the means in the fight against terror," said Reed Brody, special counsel with Human Rights Watch.


CIA (news - web sites) spokesman Mark Mansfield said the agency has not seen the report and declined to comment.


The report ? titled "The United States' `Disappeared:' The CIA's Long-term 'Ghost Detainees'" ? said many of the prisoners have provided valuable intelligence to U.S. officials. But it also cited reports that some detainees have lied under pressure to please their interrogators.


Human Rights Watch has no firsthand knowledge of the treatment of these detainees. Much of the report stems from news accounts that have cited unidentified government sources acknowledging the torture or mistreatment of detainees.

 

[conjur]

More ghosts.

 

[Maximilian Kolbe]

"al-Qaida Detainees 'Disappeared'

So did 3000+ Americans on 9-11. I'm not too worried about 11 al-qaida operatives.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Maximilian Kolbe
"al-Qaida Detainees 'Disappeared'

So did 3000+ Americans on 9-11. I'm not too worried about 11 al-qaida operatives.

Considering the abysmal prosecution track record of these prisoners, I think this doesn't bode well for the admin. I did read where Hamdi was finally returned to Saudi Arabia.

 

[dahunan]

How many people have been illegally detained to only be released later without compensation for damages after they were found to be innocent?

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: Maximilian Kolbe
"al-Qaida Detainees 'Disappeared'

So did 3000+ Americans on 9-11. I'm not too worried about 11 al-qaida operatives.

There is a little bit of a difference when you disappear someone and murder them, especially when the government does it.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Maximilian Kolbe
"al-Qaida Detainees 'Disappeared'

So did 3000+ Americans on 9-11. I'm not too worried about 11 al-qaida operatives.

Says who? The incompitant governemnt? The lying governemnt? You have to much faith. I perfer checks and balances, judical review, and habeus corpus to totalitartianism

 

[Aimster]

We killed them.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Troubling, but expected.

 

[alchemize]

So much more the reason we shouldn't announce these captures, as the bleeding heart liberals come out in droves. Yes, let's put them all on CourtTV and have The Dream Team II defend them. It's the American way. Grant a non-citizen terrorist the rights of a citizen, even if it means the sacrifice of the rights (or lives) of many citizens. Perhaps next we need an approval from the World Court to conduct military operations.


If these two guys aren't getting tortured for every bit of info they have, then we clearly need a stronger administration in power.

 

[CycloWizard]

As I've said before, I'd rather have thousands of terrorists walking the streets than one man wrongfully imprisoned. This really is a slap in the face to America.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: alchemize
So much more the reason we shouldn't announce these captures, as the bleeding heart liberals come out in droves. Yes, let's put them all on CourtTV and have The Dream Team II defend them. It's the American way. Grant a non-citizen terrorist the rights of a citizen, even if it means the sacrifice of the rights (or lives) of many citizens. Perhaps next we need an approval from the World Court to conduct military operations.

If these two guys aren't getting tortured for every bit of info they have, then we clearly need a stronger administration in power.

We are above zee law! :roll:

I don't discount that we need to bring terrorists to justice, yet the method in which we're doing it suggests that we have no respect for international law, no respect for human rights, no respect for signed treaties and it proves that this administration will do anything without regard to the long-term costs or impact to our reputation as a beacon of justice and freedom around the world.

I sure hope you aren't complaining when U.S. personnel are captured, tortured or murdered in the hands of the enemy. It goes both ways you know.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: Aimster
We killed them.

Only because our neo-con jewish masters in Israel commanded us to do it...

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: alchemize
If these two guys aren't getting tortured for every bit of info they have, then we clearly need a stronger administration in power.

Yea, perhaps we should have tortured, raped, and murdered more Iraqi detainees at Abu Hirab because they are a bunch of no-good terrorists.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: alchemize
So much more the reason we shouldn't announce these captures, as the bleeding heart liberals come out in droves. Yes, let's put them all on CourtTV and have The Dream Team II defend them. It's the American way. Grant a non-citizen terrorist the rights of a citizen, even if it means the sacrifice of the rights (or lives) of many citizens. Perhaps next we need an approval from the World Court to conduct military operations.

If these two guys aren't getting tortured for every bit of info they have, then we clearly need a stronger administration in power.

We are above zee law! :roll:

I don't discount that we need to bring terrorists to justice, yet the method in which we're doing it suggests that we have no respect for international law, no respect for human rights, no respect for signed treaties and it proves that this administration will do anything without regard to the long-term costs or impact to our reputation as a beacon of justice and freedom around the world.

I sure hope you aren't complaining when U.S. personnel are captured, tortured or murdered in the hands of the enemy. It goes both ways you know.

What law? There are no laws concerning the detention of international terrorists. If there are please feel free to reference them.

If you think any intelligence agency in the WORLD acts differently than the US when it comes to high-value terrorist targets then you are sorely mistaken. Read up about beloved socialist France and see the kinds of things they've done to terrorists. Or do you just want to totally castrate our intelligence services?

Lest we forget, Clinton tried to MURDER these two gentlemen without the courtesy of even questioning them? How can you defend his actions?

Kerry has stated numerous times that he will MURDER terrorists without a trial? How can you vote for this man?

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: Aimster
We killed them.

Only because our neo-con jewish masters in Israel commanded us to do it...

heh just a theory :

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: alchemize
If these two guys aren't getting tortured for every bit of info they have, then we clearly need a stronger administration in power.

Yea, perhaps we should have tortured, raped, and murdered more Iraqi detainees at Abu Hirab because they are a bunch of no-good terrorists.

Who's this we? Are you torturing rapist murderer? I'm not.

Another who wants to castrate our intelligence services. You do realize these two guys are TOP members of Al-Qaida? Or do you subscribe to the theory that it was all a setup by the Mossad perhaps?

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
We are above zee law! :roll:

I don't discount that we need to bring terrorists to justice, yet the method in which we're doing it suggests that we have no respect for international law, no respect for human rights, no respect for signed treaties and it proves that this administration will do anything without regard to the long-term costs or impact to our reputation as a beacon of justice and freedom around the world.

I sure hope you aren't complaining when U.S. personnel are captured, tortured or murdered in the hands of the enemy. It goes both ways you know.

:thumbsup:

Even the lowest person on earth still has a right to a fair trial, freedom from torture, and other inalienable rights. Serial murderers, war criminals - everyone deserves a fair trial. What happened to the presumption of innocence? I don't care how much proof we have surrounding these guys - we can do a much better job by putting them on trial before the world and demonstrating the American principles as they apply to EVERYONE. I think this would send a more clear signal than a democratic Iraq.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
We are above zee law! :roll:

I don't discount that we need to bring terrorists to justice, yet the method in which we're doing it suggests that we have no respect for international law, no respect for human rights, no respect for signed treaties and it proves that this administration will do anything without regard to the long-term costs or impact to our reputation as a beacon of justice and freedom around the world.

I sure hope you aren't complaining when U.S. personnel are captured, tortured or murdered in the hands of the enemy. It goes both ways you know.

:thumbsup:

Even the lowest person on earth still has a right to a fair trial, freedom from torture, and other inalienable rights. Serial murderers, war criminals - everyone deserves a fair trial. What happened to the presumption of innocence? I don't care how much proof we have surrounding these guys - we can do a much better job by putting them on trial before the world and demonstrating the American principles as they apply to EVERYONE. I think this would send a more clear signal than a democratic Iraq.

:thumbsup:

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
We are above zee law! :roll:

I don't discount that we need to bring terrorists to justice, yet the method in which we're doing it suggests that we have no respect for international law, no respect for human rights, no respect for signed treaties and it proves that this administration will do anything without regard to the long-term costs or impact to our reputation as a beacon of justice and freedom around the world.

I sure hope you aren't complaining when U.S. personnel are captured, tortured or murdered in the hands of the enemy. It goes both ways you know.

:thumbsup:

Even the lowest person on earth still has a right to a fair trial, freedom from torture, and other inalienable rights. Serial murderers, war criminals - everyone deserves a fair trial. What happened to the presumption of innocence? I don't care how much proof we have surrounding these guys - we can do a much better job by putting them on trial before the world and demonstrating the American principles as they apply to EVERYONE. I think this would send a more clear signal than a democratic Iraq.

So a terrorist has been captured. You know there is a plot to say, nuke new york. Well. book em and get him a lawyer, right? Oops, New York just blew up. Well, I'm sure all their ashes will feel secure in that the "rights" of a terrorist haven't been violated?

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: alchemize
If these two guys aren't getting tortured for every bit of info they have, then we clearly need a stronger administration in power.

Yea, perhaps we should have tortured, raped, and murdered more Iraqi detainees at Abu Hirab because they are a bunch of no-good terrorists.

Who's this we? Are you torturing rapist murderer? I'm not.

Another who wants to castrate our intelligence services. You do realize these two guys are TOP members of Al-Qaida? Or do you subscribe to the theory that it was all a setup by the Mossad perhaps?

Alchemize, you are flip-flopping all over your own words. "I'm not a torturing rapist murderer but I advocate it."

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: alchemize
So a terrorist has been captured. You know there is a plot to say, nuke new york. Well. book em and get him a lawyer, right? Oops, New York just blew up. Well, I'm sure all their ashes will feel secure in that the "rights" of a terrorist haven't been violated?

Cops have been interrogating people legally for decades. Torture is never the right thing to do. In this case, the ends don't justify the means. What you're suggesting is merely stooping to their level. In this day and age, we need to stand up for what's right above all else, even if it means people die. Else, we're no better than the terrorists.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: alchemize
So a terrorist has been captured. You know there is a plot to say, nuke new york. Well. book em and get him a lawyer, right? Oops, New York just blew up. Well, I'm sure all their ashes will feel secure in that the "rights" of a terrorist haven't been violated?

Cops have been interrogating people legally for decades. Torture is never the right thing to do. In this case, the ends don't justify the means. What you're suggesting is merely stooping to their level. In this day and age, we need to stand up for what's right above all else, even if it means people die. Else, we're no better than the terrorists.

So then I assume you also disagree with air-strikes on terrorists? Where's the trial and due process?

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
We are above zee law! :roll:

I don't discount that we need to bring terrorists to justice, yet the method in which we're doing it suggests that we have no respect for international law, no respect for human rights, no respect for signed treaties and it proves that this administration will do anything without regard to the long-term costs or impact to our reputation as a beacon of justice and freedom around the world.

I sure hope you aren't complaining when U.S. personnel are captured, tortured or murdered in the hands of the enemy. It goes both ways you know.

:thumbsup:

Even the lowest person on earth still has a right to a fair trial, freedom from torture, and other inalienable rights. Serial murderers, war criminals - everyone deserves a fair trial. What happened to the presumption of innocence? I don't care how much proof we have surrounding these guys - we can do a much better job by putting them on trial before the world and demonstrating the American principles as they apply to EVERYONE. I think this would send a more clear signal than a democratic Iraq.

So a terrorist has been captured. You know there is a plot to say, nuke new york. Well. book em and get him a lawyer, right? Oops, New York just blew up. Well, I'm sure all their ashes will feel secure in that the "rights" of a terrorist haven't been violated?

Life isn't an episode of 24.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: alchemize
So then I assume you also disagree with air-strikes on terrorists? Where's the trial and due process?

If we're stupid enough to capture them, then we have to abide by the law. There's a difference between justice on the battlefield and justice in a jail cell. By capturing them, we're making them people, and people have rights. Enemy soldiers on the battlefield have rights too, but right to a fair trial isn't one of them.