Al Qaeda in 2 sentences

[Polish3d]

The argument about whether they "hate" us for our freedoms or whether they "hate us" for our policies continues so perhaps I can offer some resolution.


They:

- Do "hate" what we consider to be freedoms and way of life.

- But, are ATTACKING us for our policies in the Islamic world. (which includes Russia/Chechnya, India/Kashmir, etc)

That's the important difference to be understood.

 

[Aisengard]

Yeah, the 'they hate us for our freedoms' shtick is getting pretty tired. They just hate us, and there's very very little we can do to change that.

 

[Tom]

"That's the important difference to be understood. "


Why is that important ?

Al Qeada is just a bunch or cowards incapable of fighting like men. Why would anyone give a sh1t what they think about anything ?

 

[Polish3d]

Well I don't think you read that exactly correctly Aisengard. The ones with guns are past being reasoned with, but those who haven't gotten to that point, if they do radicalize, it will generally be due to our policies in the Islamic world.

And they DO hate our way of life. They just aren't attacking us for that, they attack us due to our policies.

 

[Polish3d]

Originally posted by: Tom
"That's the important difference to be understood. "


Why is that important ?

Al Qeada is just a bunch or cowards incapable of fighting like men. Why would anyone give a sh1t what they think about anything ?

I don't have time to explain, but a good reason to know is because it will help to succeed against them.

 

[Tom]

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: Tom
"That's the important difference to be understood. "


Why is that important ?

Al Qeada is just a bunch or cowards incapable of fighting like men. Why would anyone give a sh1t what they think about anything ?

I am sorry to say this so bluntly, but your post above is foolish.

Why don't you answer my question ? What difference does it make why they attack us ?

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: Tom
"That's the important difference to be understood. "


Why is that important ?

Al Qeada is just a bunch or cowards incapable of fighting like men. Why would anyone give a sh1t what they think about anything ?

I am sorry to say this so bluntly, but your post above is foolish.

Why don't you answer my question ? What difference does it make why they attack us ?

Know your enemy. If you know what motivates him, you have a better handle on what he's likely to do, and thus you have a better chance of defeating him.

The answer to your question falls under the "duh.." category...

 

[Tom]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: Tom
"That's the important difference to be understood. "


Why is that important ?

Al Qeada is just a bunch or cowards incapable of fighting like men. Why would anyone give a sh1t what they think about anything ?

I am sorry to say this so bluntly, but your post above is foolish.

Why don't you answer my question ? What difference does it make why they attack us ?

Know your enemy. If you know what motivates him, you have a better handle on what he's likely to do, and thus you have a better chance of defeating him.

The answer to your question falls under the "duh.." category...

Except you didn't understand my question. I never said we shouldn't know what the motivation is, i asked what difference does it make ?

We aren't talking about some generic enemy and why intelligence about their motivation might be useful in defeating them.

We are talking about a specific enemy, and there is no mystery about their motivations.

The distinction the OP makes, which he can't know is correct anyway, doesn't make any difference. Except it might express that the OP thinks that attacking us for our policies is somehow more rational than attacking us for the other reason.

Which I don't agree with.

 

[bamacre]

Much like Bush and Co., Al Qaeda has a long list of failures.

 

[Polish3d]

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: Tom
"That's the important difference to be understood. "


Why is that important ?

Al Qeada is just a bunch or cowards incapable of fighting like men. Why would anyone give a sh1t what they think about anything ?

I am sorry to say this so bluntly, but your post above is foolish.

Why don't you answer my question ? What difference does it make why they attack us ?

Know your enemy. If you know what motivates him, you have a better handle on what he's likely to do, and thus you have a better chance of defeating him.

The answer to your question falls under the "duh.." category...

Except you didn't understand my question. I never said we shouldn't know what the motivation is, i asked what difference does it make ?

We aren't talking about some generic enemy and why intelligence about their motivation might be useful in defeating them.

We are talking about a specific enemy, and there is no mystery about their motivations.

The distinction the OP makes, which he can't know is correct anyway, doesn't make any difference. Except it might express that the OP thinks that attacking us for our policies is somehow more rational than attacking us for the other reason.

Which I don't agree with.

It would be less relevant if Islamic militants were a force that is static in size. It is more relevant because they are not, and their primary source of recruits are individuals taking up arms due to the aforementioned policies. Which you may say is arguable, bringing us full circle to the original point of the OP.

 

[Tom]

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: Tom
"That's the important difference to be understood. "


Why is that important ?

Al Qeada is just a bunch or cowards incapable of fighting like men. Why would anyone give a sh1t what they think about anything ?

I am sorry to say this so bluntly, but your post above is foolish.

Why don't you answer my question ? What difference does it make why they attack us ?

Know your enemy. If you know what motivates him, you have a better handle on what he's likely to do, and thus you have a better chance of defeating him.

The answer to your question falls under the "duh.." category...

Except you didn't understand my question. I never said we shouldn't know what the motivation is, i asked what difference does it make ?

We aren't talking about some generic enemy and why intelligence about their motivation might be useful in defeating them.

We are talking about a specific enemy, and there is no mystery about their motivations.

The distinction the OP makes, which he can't know is correct anyway, doesn't make any difference. Except it might express that the OP thinks that attacking us for our policies is somehow more rational than attacking us for the other reason.

Which I don't agree with.

It would be less relevant if Islamic militants were a force that is static in size. It is more relevant because they are not, and their primary source of recruits are individuals taking up arms due to the aforementioned policies. Which you may say is arguable, bringing us full circle to the original point of the OP.

You still haven't answered my question. Suppose you are right and that people join Al Qeada because of our policies.

What difference does that make ?

I think I know why you think it matters, I just want to hear you say it, because I could be wrong..

 

[Polish3d]

Because then we can better decide whether those policies are in our national best interest.

 

[WiseOldDude]

Horny bastards are trying to get to the 72 virgins. Too bad that no one told them that these virgins are 70 - 80 year old ugly old maids that are buck nekid with every thing sagging to below their virginity.

Perhaps if Islamics treated their women better and got laid on a regular basis they wouldn't be so damn angry.

 

[Tom]

Originally posted by: Frackal
Because then we can better decide whether those policies are in our national best interest.

Or what ? Al Qeada will hurt us ?

 

[Polish3d]

Your sarcasm pollutes the discussion.

It is a part of a series of consequences to different options we have that must be weighed.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Frackal
Well I don't think you read that exactly correctly Aisengard. The ones with guns are past being reasoned with, but those who haven't gotten to that point, if they do radicalize, it will generally be due to our policies in the Islamic world.

And they DO hate our way of life. They just aren't attacking us for that, they attack us due to our policies.

I think they would be attacking regardless of our "way of life" They could care less.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Tom

We are talking about a specific enemy, and there is no mystery about their motivations.

For many people, there is a mystery.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: Frackal
Because then we can better decide whether those policies are in our national best interest.

Or what ? Al Qeada will hurt us ?

Grow up.

 

[mc00]

my opinion would be they hate our "policies"... beside any country could have freedom if they choose to. some people prefer to live there lifes under authorization and tell others how should they live there lifes under fairly tale a.k.a god/religion or we just have those prick that love having a lot power and put fear people mind, and think he is immortal ie Kim Jong-il.

 

[miketheidiot]

Terrorist blow up stuff in rusia, I guess they hate the russian way of life as well.

 

[Polish3d]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: Frackal
Well I don't think you read that exactly correctly Aisengard. The ones with guns are past being reasoned with, but those who haven't gotten to that point, if they do radicalize, it will generally be due to our policies in the Islamic world.

And they DO hate our way of life. They just aren't attacking us for that, they attack us due to our policies.

I think they would be attacking regardless of our "way of life" They could care less.

I agree, at least for now. (ie, there is room for some future expansionist jihad in which they effort to convert others to Islam outside traditional Islamic lands.)

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: Frackal
They:

- Do "hate" what we consider to be freedoms and way of life.

- But, are ATTACKING us for our policies in the Islamic world. (which includes Russia/Chechnya, India/Kashmir, etc)

This is correct, save for the fact that their willingness to use violence to institute their ideal of Islam will not stop at the borders of the Islamic world. Which makes these extremists our enemies even if we dropped those policies in the Middle East.

 

[Polish3d]

True, those with guns must be killed.

However, their ability to inspire and recruit further mujahideen to take arms against the west is (arguably very positively) affected by these policies.

Kind of like a larger version of Afghanistan circa 1979-1989.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Tom
"That's the important difference to be understood. "


Why is that important ?

Al Qeada is just a bunch or cowards incapable of fighting like men. Why would anyone give a sh1t what they think about anything ?

I don't think Frackal is just talking about the ones who actually strap explosives to themselves and blow up a market, so unless your plan is to kill every single person in the Middle East, I think it IS important to understand why an organization like Al Qaeda can actually gain some kind of popular support there.

This isn't a damn action movie, long term solutions NEVER come about just because you've killed enough people. Pro-war folks love to drag out the line that violence has solved a lot of major problems in history, but it's really only half true. WWII came about because, while WWI saw a nice application of violence sufficient to stop Germany for a time, the NON-violent part of the solution was very poorly carried out, probably by people who thought you like do, and thus we had another nice little war a few years later. WWII saw a lasting peace among the participants because once the shooting was done, the situation was hashed out in a reasonable way that worked for everyone.

Even if you think we can't end violence in the Middle East by changing our policies there, you should realize that once the violence is done, we'll need to understand the root of the problems there if we want a lasting peace that doesn't require a massive military presence until the end of time.

 

[lyssword]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Terrorist blow up stuff in rusia, I guess they hate the russian way of life as well.

better question, who do they NOT hate ? Germany stayed out of lebanon, there u go a bomb for them. A bombing for india. A bomb for Russian school and numerous other targets. A bomb for Spain. Bomb for indonesia. A bombing in Britain. In israel thats like a weekly/daily event.. Usa 9/11/01. And im pretty sure i'm missing out on many other "infidels"..