AL MVP

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: kalster
Its Most Valuable player, not Best Overall player, so what if he is only DH, even in that capacity he is still the most valueable player on their team and the reason where they are, what position he plays shouldnt matter when deciding the MVP.

Yankees still have a lot of solid talent around Arod (more so than Boston) who together have rallied the Yanks

how can he be "Valuable" in the field if he's never out there?

no, i'm with ThePresence on this one. ARod. unless Ortiz finishes with 35 more RBI's, 25 more HR's, and OPS difference of greater than .230 (all arbitrary figures btw), i take ARod. he has been CLUTCH this season.

for NL, you can't deny Pujols as being the best player in the NL, but it's possible Andruw is more valuable to the braves than Pujols is to the Cards.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
TP, you should know better then anyone that the Yankees got to and won so many World Series as of late WITHOUT A-Rod.. the Sox finally won theirs and are in the hunt right now simply because of Ortiz, before him they never got anywhere for years, and years. They're both on a team full of talent but Ortiz is the only one who put his team over the top right now. Remember, it's not an award for best offense, best defense, or a good mix of both.. it's who is the more valuable player to his team, and you can't tell me Ortiz isn't as valuable as A-Rod, please dude, you're wiser then that right?

The Sox didn't win last year only because of Ortiz. They won more so because of Schilling than Ortiz IMO. This year he has carried the Sox alot more than last years championship year, but they didn't lock up the division yet, so it still remains to be seen if he'll carry them over the top. And like someone else said, the MVP is really given out to the best all-around player. They may be doing it wrong, but that's just the way it is.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: psteng19

Originally posted by: kalster
Its Most Valuable player, not Best Overall player, so what if he is only DH, even in that capacity he is still the most valueable player on their team and the reason where they are, what position he plays shouldnt matter when deciding the MVP.

Yankees still have a lot of solid talent around Arod (more so than Boston) who together have rallied the Yanks

It's called MVP, but generally (and historically) regarded best overall player.
Definitely a toss-up between Ortiz and A-Rod.

i disagree, it's generally (and historically) regarded best overall player ON a winning team.

as to toss up, ortiz has to do a lot more than arod to win it. it's like Edgar Martinez, is he a HOFer? no, if he had been a full time player then yes, he would be a HOFer with those numbers, as a DH, he doesn't cut it.

 

[psteng19]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: psteng19

Originally posted by: kalster
Its Most Valuable player, not Best Overall player, so what if he is only DH, even in that capacity he is still the most valueable player on their team and the reason where they are, what position he plays shouldnt matter when deciding the MVP.

Yankees still have a lot of solid talent around Arod (more so than Boston) who together have rallied the Yanks

It's called MVP, but generally (and historically) regarded best overall player.
Definitely a toss-up between Ortiz and A-Rod.

i disagree, it's generally (and historically) regarded best overall player ON a winning team.

as to toss up, ortiz has to do a lot more than arod to win it. it's like Edgar Martinez, is he a HOFer? no, if he had been a full time player then yes, he would be a HOFer with those numbers, as a DH, he doesn't cut it.

Wasn't A-Rod MVP when he was on the Rangers and they were dead last?

The league and fans love offense, so don't count out Ortiz so so easily.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: psteng19

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: psteng19

Originally posted by: kalster
Its Most Valuable player, not Best Overall player, so what if he is only DH, even in that capacity he is still the most valueable player on their team and the reason where they are, what position he plays shouldnt matter when deciding the MVP.

Yankees still have a lot of solid talent around Arod (more so than Boston) who together have rallied the Yanks

It's called MVP, but generally (and historically) regarded best overall player.
Definitely a toss-up between Ortiz and A-Rod.

i disagree, it's generally (and historically) regarded best overall player ON a winning team.

as to toss up, ortiz has to do a lot more than arod to win it. it's like Edgar Martinez, is he a HOFer? no, if he had been a full time player then yes, he would be a HOFer with those numbers, as a DH, he doesn't cut it.

Wasn't A-Rod MVP when he was on the Rangers and they were dead last?

The league and fans love offense, so don't count out Ortiz so so easily.

yes, and that only proves my point, the only reason he got it that year was because a clear case couldn't be made for any player on one of the contenders, shoot, jorge posadas name came up as a possible candidate, that's how bad it was.

but the year before, ARod had a better season (57 HR vs 48 HR) but didn't get it.

 

[PlatinumGold]

here are the numbers btw, delgado came in second that year and Posada came in 3rd.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/awards/awards_2003.shtml

 

[psteng19]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: psteng19

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: psteng19

Originally posted by: kalster
Its Most Valuable player, not Best Overall player, so what if he is only DH, even in that capacity he is still the most valueable player on their team and the reason where they are, what position he plays shouldnt matter when deciding the MVP.

Yankees still have a lot of solid talent around Arod (more so than Boston) who together have rallied the Yanks

It's called MVP, but generally (and historically) regarded best overall player.
Definitely a toss-up between Ortiz and A-Rod.

i disagree, it's generally (and historically) regarded best overall player ON a winning team.

as to toss up, ortiz has to do a lot more than arod to win it. it's like Edgar Martinez, is he a HOFer? no, if he had been a full time player then yes, he would be a HOFer with those numbers, as a DH, he doesn't cut it.

Wasn't A-Rod MVP when he was on the Rangers and they were dead last?

The league and fans love offense, so don't count out Ortiz so so easily.

yes, and that only proves my point, the only reason he got it that year was because a clear case couldn't be made for any player on one of the contenders, shoot, jorge posadas name came up as a possible candidate, that's how bad it was.

but the year before, ARod had a better season (57 HR vs 48 HR) but didn't get it.

My point in bringing that up was that the MVP does not necessarily have to be on a winning team, as you suggested.

 

[pmoa]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
TP, you should know better then anyone that the Yankees got to and won so many World Series as of late WITHOUT A-Rod.. the Sox finally won theirs and are in the hunt right now simply because of Ortiz, before him they never got anywhere for years, and years. They're both on a team full of talent but Ortiz is the only one who put his team over the top right now. Remember, it's not an award for best offense, best defense, or a good mix of both.. it's who is the more valuable player to his team, and you can't tell me Ortiz isn't as valuable as A-Rod, please dude, you're wiser then that right?

The Sox didn't win last year only because of Ortiz. They won more so because of Schilling than Ortiz IMO. This year he has carried the Sox alot more than last years championship year, but they didn't lock up the division yet, so it still remains to be seen if he'll carry them over the top. And like someone else said, the MVP is really given out to the best all-around player. They may be doing it wrong, but that's just the way it is.

True True....But then again Joe Dimaggio won the AL MVP over Ted Williams just cause he had a 56 game hitting streak whereas Ted Williams won the triple crown!

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: psteng19

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: psteng19

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: psteng19

Originally posted by: kalster
Its Most Valuable player, not Best Overall player, so what if he is only DH, even in that capacity he is still the most valueable player on their team and the reason where they are, what position he plays shouldnt matter when deciding the MVP.

Yankees still have a lot of solid talent around Arod (more so than Boston) who together have rallied the Yanks

It's called MVP, but generally (and historically) regarded best overall player.
Definitely a toss-up between Ortiz and A-Rod.

i disagree, it's generally (and historically) regarded best overall player ON a winning team.

as to toss up, ortiz has to do a lot more than arod to win it. it's like Edgar Martinez, is he a HOFer? no, if he had been a full time player then yes, he would be a HOFer with those numbers, as a DH, he doesn't cut it.

Wasn't A-Rod MVP when he was on the Rangers and they were dead last?

The league and fans love offense, so don't count out Ortiz so so easily.

yes, and that only proves my point, the only reason he got it that year was because a clear case couldn't be made for any player on one of the contenders, shoot, jorge posadas name came up as a possible candidate, that's how bad it was.

but the year before, ARod had a better season (57 HR vs 48 HR) but didn't get it.

My point in bringing that up was that the MVP does not necessarily have to be on a winning team, as you suggested.

since you are splitting hairs and making claims about what i "suggested". read my quote above. the word i used was "GENERALLY" and guess what, GENERALLY it's still true, go back over the list of MVP's year after year and GENERALLY they came from teams IN the playoff hunt.

 

[ThePresence]

Arod just tied Ortiz I think... he just launched an upper decker TO RIGHT FIELD!

EDIT: I think he's still one behind Ortiz.

 

[Soccer55]

Originally posted by: ThePresence
Arod just tied Ortiz I think... he just launched an upper decker TO RIGHT FIELD!

EDIT: I think he's still one behind Ortiz.

OT: Do any other of you Yankee fans like Michael Kay calling a game? I don't particularly care for him.....I'd rather listen to some combination of Kaat, Justice, Singleton, Murcer, and O'Neill.

-Tom

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: Soccer55

Originally posted by: ThePresence
Arod just tied Ortiz I think... he just launched an upper decker TO RIGHT FIELD!

EDIT: I think he's still one behind Ortiz.

OT: Do any other of you Yankee fans like Michael Kay calling a game? I don't particularly care for him.....I'd rather listen to some combination of Kaat, Justice, Singleton, Murcer, and O'Neill.

-Tom

I don't mind Michael Kay's announcing, except that he can see no wrong with the Yanks EVER. O'neil is good, Kaat is good, Singleton is good, Murcer is over the hill and I can't stand Justice calling a game, he doesn't shut up for a second.

 

[Reckoner]

Johnny Damon. The Red Sox would be out of it without him.

 

[psteng19]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: psteng19
My point in bringing that up was that the MVP does not necessarily have to be on a winning team, as you suggested.

since you are splitting hairs and making claims about what i "suggested". read my quote above. the word i used was "GENERALLY" and guess what, GENERALLY it's still true, go back over the list of MVP's year after year and GENERALLY they came from teams IN the playoff hunt.

OK, I see your point but I'm just saying they don't necessarily have to be on a winning team, but it definitely helps since it further demonstrates how they've contributed to their team's success.

 

[LeonarD26]

A-Rod plays gold glove third base along with his huge offensive numbers. Can't say that about the Papi....

 

[PTCvette]

Originally posted by: rsd

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: ThePresence
It will be a travesty if Ortiz wins it. He plays half the game. Arod FTW.

Who's a more valuable player to their team? Arod or Ortiz?

That should be a pretty easy answer.

If Ortiz didn't have half of the clutch hits he did, the Sox wouldn't even be in contention right now.

And the Yankees wouldn't be where they are right now without Arod either. Just because there are a few players onthe Yankees contributing, that should not take away from Arod's stellar year with the bat AND with the glove.

Anyone know when the vote? I know it is before the playoffs, but when exactly? I can see it really coming down to which team wins in the last series that last weekend.

I would love to see Papi win it too... But I have a feeling it will come down to whichever team wins the division. If the Sox win, it will be Ortiz. If the Yanks win it will be GayRod. Should be interesting to see how the whole thing plays out.

 

[bigrash]

as much as i like arod, my vote goes to ortiz this year

 

[Toasthead]

If the Sox choke and miss the playoffs then no way Ortiz gets it. A rod HAS had a pretty good season as well as playing well at one of the most difficult positions in the game

 

[NatePo717]

Ortiz hands down.

 

[mitmot]

if the red sox hang on, ortiz for sure.

 

[Led Zeppelin]

Originally posted by: Soccer55

Originally posted by: ThePresence
Arod just tied Ortiz I think... he just launched an upper decker TO RIGHT FIELD!

EDIT: I think he's still one behind Ortiz.

OT: Do any other of you Yankee fans like Michael Kay calling a game? I don't particularly care for him.....I'd rather listen to some combination of Kaat, Justice, Singleton, Murcer, and O'Neill.

-Tom

Kay has to be the worst play-by-play announcer in the history of sports. The points the he makes and the things he says leave me literally laughing out loud. He's comedy gold for non-Yankee fans, and an embarassment to Yankee fans. Read the Yankee message boards, 95% of Yankee fans can't stomach him.

His home run calls suck too: "SEE YA, SEE YA, SEE YA." He tries too hard.

Something that made me laugh last night is they had a shot of Rivera from the blimp as they're going to commercial break. Kay: "He looks intimidating even from that angle".
I think Kay would drop to his knees and orally service Rivera if it meant a Yankee win.

 

[Led Zeppelin]

Oh by the way, Ortiz wins the AL MVP. He's been more important this season to the Sox than Arod has been for the Yankees.

Small is more of a Yankee MVP than ARod.

 

[Mojoed]

OMG Ortiz just did it AGAIN. HR in 8th ties the game.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: BostonRedSox
Oh by the way, Ortiz wins the AL MVP. He's been more important this season to the Sox than Arod has been for the Yankees.

Small is more of a Yankee MVP than ARod.

If not for Arod's homer, the Yankees don't win last night. Also, he saves many runs from scoring by making sparkling plays at 3rd.

 

[spaceman]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: BostonRedSox
Oh by the way, Ortiz wins the AL MVP. He's been more important this season to the Sox than Arod has been for the Yankees.

Small is more of a Yankee MVP than ARod.

If not for Arod's homer, the Yankees don't win last night. Also, he saves many runs from scoring by making sparkling plays at 3rd.

ortiz isnt done.