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munruss

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Just back from a quick trip to Georgia and I have to say, I felt very unsafe from the moment that I walked into the airport. What is this online check-in all about? They are making everything "online" and less human interaction which reduces security.

As I was boarding the plane, picture ID is no longer required. WTF? As I'm walking on the plane, they took my online printout of my boarding pass and didn't even look at it. SH*T

Don't you think they should have people walking around the airport and randomly asking passengers for their boarding pass and picture ID?

All in all, 9/11 didn't do anything with security. It's just a matter of time before another attack happens that involves the airline industry.
 

Stunt

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They are killing all the terrorists in iraq...haven't you heard?
The country is safe now :)

jk...in all honesty i like the idea of online check in, saves tons of time. Do you think terrorists would use online check in as a means to board a plane...hah!...they would give themselves away. I like the idea of fingerprint and retinal scanning...but is a long way away.
How was the trip? ;)
 

alent1234

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Originally posted by: munruss
Just back from a quick trip to Georgia and I have to say, I felt very unsafe from the moment that I walked into the airport. What is this online check-in all about? They are making everything "online" and less human interaction which reduces security.

As I was boarding the plane, picture ID is no longer required. WTF? As I'm walking on the plane, they took my online printout of my boarding pass and didn't even look at it. SH*T

Don't you think they should have people walking around the airport and randomly asking passengers for their boarding pass and picture ID?

All in all, 9/11 didn't do anything with security. It's just a matter of time before another attack happens that involves the airline industry.


if you buy your ticket with a credit card then they can check you out better than some stupid security that you can see in the open
 

EagleKeeper

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Each airport has its own level of security with certain mins to be followed.
The airlines can choose to increase their own level at the gate and/or ticket coiunter.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: munruss
Just back from a quick trip to Georgia and I have to say, I felt very unsafe from the moment that I walked into the airport. What is this online check-in all about? They are making everything "online" and less human interaction which reduces security.

As I was boarding the plane, picture ID is no longer required. WTF? As I'm walking on the plane, they took my online printout of my boarding pass and didn't even look at it. SH*T

Don't you think they should have people walking around the airport and randomly asking passengers for their boarding pass and picture ID?

All in all, 9/11 didn't do anything with security. It's just a matter of time before another attack happens that involves the airline industry.

You were pre-vetted.


 

judasmachine

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i wouldn't support random checks all over the airport but human interaction can be one of the best forms of security.
 

munruss

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Originally posted by: judasmachine
i wouldn't support random checks all over the airport but human interaction can be one of the best forms of security.

I agree with you. However, knowing that undercover people are roaming the airport checking for passports and just watching daily activity would make me feel more safe.
 
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Originally posted by: Genx87
Did you go through the security screeners?
Every airport I've been through lately (Orlando, Atlanta, Chicago, LA, Hong Kong) requires that a security screener check your boarding pass along with a valid ID before you can even go through the screening process. Maybe that's different at the airport where the OP went through, but I doubt it. So I'd have to believe there are some relevant facts left out of the OP's account.

The electronic check-in process only gets you a boarding pass. It is not a security screening process, which ooccurs elsewhere before one can even get to a terminal to board a plane.

 

vi edit

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I still think they have the security checks all wrong. London was doing it the right way.

You don't get on the plane until you pass through security screening right at the gate. To me, that's much more secure than letting somebody wonder around an airport for a couple hours after they pass the screening before allowed in the concourse.

Obviously it's not the most time efficient, but I seems to me like it's the most intelligent time to screen people.
 
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Originally posted by: vi_edit
I still think they have the security checks all wrong. London was doing it the right way.

You don't get on the plane until you pass through security screening right at the gate. To me, that's much more secure than letting somebody wonder around an airport for a couple hours after they pass the screening before allowed in the concourse.

Obviously it's not the most time efficient, but I seems to me like it's the most intelligent time to screen people.
In every location I've been in, you go through a screening process prior to being allowed access to the departure gates, and only people with boarding passes can go through the screening process. Once screened, you only have access to the gate areas, not the entire airport. So regardless of whether it's done immediately before boarding or an hour prior, the result is still the same. If a person exits the departure gate area they must go through the screening process again. If you're a smoker stuck in O'Hare waiting for a delayed flight, either hold your urge, join the Red Carpet Club, or go outside and smoke (lower level only), and then go through the screening process again.

Besides, many airports have numerous gates spread out all over creation. It would be fiscally impossible to have screening location at each of those gates, so there has to be a central locale for screening they can funnel everyone into before they are dispersed to the various gates.
 

Zedtom

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The security screening is helpful in apprehending suspects who are trying to flee quickly via airplane, but I don't want it to go too far. By that I mean we shouldn't use it to detain deadbeat dads who owe child support or drivers who have unpaid traffic tickets.
 

KidViciou$

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random checking is not good IMO. and whenever i go through the security process, my boarding pass and id is checked at least 2 times
 

Zedtom

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Originally posted by: vi_edit
I still think they have the security checks all wrong. London was doing it the right way.

You don't get on the plane until you pass through security screening right at the gate. To me, that's much more secure than letting somebody wonder around an airport for a couple hours after they pass the screening before allowed in the concourse.

Obviously it's not the most time efficient, but I seems to me like it's the most intelligent time to screen people.


Sorry to double post, but this reminded me of a sports columnist who was describing a smoking area at some airport,(can't remember which one), that was outside surrounded by chain link fence. He was surprised that they already had cleared security, yet they could stand around and smoke while waiting for their flight. He felt that it would be pretty easy for someone to toss a weapon over the fence to someone inside.
 

Rainsford

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If anyone wants a really good intro to thinking about security, read "Beyond Fear" by Bruce Schneier. It's a good intro on how to think like a security person instead of a panicky TV news viewer. He goes into some depth on airport and airline security as well, a good read if you are interested in security as a whole.

In any case, remember what airport security is about, limiting the number of people with access to the plane and limiting how those people have access. The check at the security checkpoint isn't really going to stop anyone with an invalid ticket, and they don't record who you are in any case. The purpose of that checkpoint is simply so they only have to screen people flying, not people just wandering around. If you are intentionally trying to bypass the checkpoint, it's pretty simple to fake a boarding pass if you've seen one before. They don't really care about that, because the security is not in making sure they know who's in the airport. Think about it, increasing the security involved in that process would require that they know exactly who they shouldn't let into the airport. Maybe you think every terrorist is on a watch list, but I certainly don't.

As for online check-in, it's just as secure for two reasons. First, if you don't want to bother checking in, just make up a fake boarding pass. It's pretty easy if you've seen one before. And in any case, the United counter person isn't an FBI agent, what exactly are they going to do that would help?

Real air travel security boils down to three things. First of all, everyone has to go through the security screeing so it's much more difficult to bring weapons on board. Secondly, you no longer can access the cockpit. They are protected with armored doors and they are locked at all times. Finally, people are now much more aware of what can happen and will probably resist, so a few hijackers, armed or not, would be toast before long.

Maybe some of what you talked about would marginally increase security, but remember that air travel is still about air travel. It needs to be quick, and it needs to be easy. Something can always be more secure, but it's a trade-off, and some security measures make more sense than others. If it makes you feel any better, I feel safe every time I fly because I know my best defense is statistics. Think about how many airline passengers died on 9/11 compared to how manny flew that year. Even if we had an attack like that every single year, air travel would still be pretty safe when you consider your personal chances of dying that way.
 

arsbanned

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I agree a multi-layered approach would be better. But at the moment they screen you when you go through security. For a while they were re-checking ID at the gate but have stopped. More layers=better protection, IMO. I'll be flying down to Savannah in a few days, I'll let you know how it goes. ;)
 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: arsbanned
I agree a multi-layered approach would be better. But at the moment they screen you when you go through security. For a while they were re-checking ID at the gate but have stopped. More layers=better protection, IMO. I'll be flying down to Savannah in a few days, I'll let you know how it goes. ;)

I still don't think ID checking is a very big part of security, because it relies on knowing who's ok to fly and who's not. I don't think we have that kind of information yet, so spending extra effort on making sure we know exactly who's in the airport and who's on the plane isn't going to help security all that much.
 

KidViciou$

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what are the pilot's supposed to do on international flights? how do the flight attendants get them food without opening the door?