Airman dies day after return from duty in Iraq (Suicide)

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MERRIMACK ? A decorated member of the New Hampshire Air National Guard killed himself at his home Wednesday, just a day after returning from a six-month tour of duty in Iraq.

Tech. Sgt. Dave Guindon, 48, of Merrimack was a member of the 157th Air Refueling Wing based in Newington. In Iraq, he and four other members of the unit provided security to Army convoys. They returned Tuesday.

According to the state medical examiner?s office, Guindon died Wednesday afternoon of a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head.

Maj. Gen. John E. Blair, who heads the New Hampshire National Guard, said even after having two days to absorb the shock, the news is baffling.

?The problem is trying to rationalize an irrational act. It?s hard to know how to address this thing, I?m so confused and baffled. I don?t know how to categorize it,? Blair said yesterday.

Blair was among those waiting at Manchester Airport Tuesday to welcome Guindon and his fellow airmen after a six-month deployment in Iraq.

?I spent some time speaking with him Tuesday, and I got quite the opposite impression. He particularly was talking to me about the pride they had in helping our transportation company,? Blair said.

Guindon?s wife, Sharon, was quoted as saying she was elated to have him home and was anxious for a chance to catch up with her husband.

?I tell you, it?s such a big relief that he?s coming home,? she said. ?You don?t realize what they go through until you have someone over there.?

Guindon sounded equally hopeful and upbeat during an interview Tuesday.

?It feels fantastic. It?s hard to explain it, it fees so good,? Guindon said shortly after his plane touched down in Manchester. ?I?m just going to take today slow, wake up tomorrow, and see what it?s like to be back in a normal place.?

But for Guindon, there would be no tomorrow.

Blair said there is a process in place by the National Guard for helping returning guardsmen as they readjust to civilian life, but it is usually scheduled after guardsmen are settled in at home.

?We thought it was something we could do after they had some private time with families. I guess we realize ? or I realize now ? it needs to be sooner rather than later,? said Blair.

Members of Guindon?s unit, including the three airmen who flew home with him Tuesday, were called in for grief counseling Wednesday provided through the Veterans Hospital, Blair said.

Part of the deployment process includes preparing families in advance for what to expect in the aftermath of their loved ones? return.

Blair said he didn?t know if Guindon had left a suicide note. Speculating on the ?why? of the situation was impossible, he said, without more information.

?There are so many things it could be. War is a terrible thing sometimes. You don?t know what they?ve seen or heard or had to do,? Blair said. ?I wish I could explain it, but I can?t.?

Guard officials praised Guindon?s service, saying his mission marked the first time Air National Guard members from New Hampshire participated in Army combat missions.

Last month Guindon and his team were awarded Army combat honors after carrying out more than 100 missions.

?Dave was an outstanding airman and a good friend to many in our wing family,? said Col. Richard Martial, the unit?s commander. ?He continually demonstrated a willingness to embrace new challenges and always performed to the best of his abilities. We are all deeply saddened by his sudden death. Our hearts and prayers are with his wife and daughter during this very difficult time. We have lost a good man and a true patriot.?

Guindon joined the unit?s logistics readiness squadron in 1997 after having served 23 years in the Navy, Naval Reserve, Marine Corps Reserve, Air Force Reserve and New Hampshire Army National Guard.

?Trained by the Air Force as a vehicle operator, he was called upon to perform an Army combat mission in Iraq,? said Maj. Chris Hurled, the squadron?s commander. ?In the face of these extraordinary circumstances, Dave displayed the courage and dedication of a true professional. His actions are a testament to his character and his love for his country.?

No one was home last night at the Guindon residence, where a country blue wooden plaque hung on the front door with the word ?Liberty!? and several American flags adorned the well-manicured lawn.

The last time neighbor Joe Mitchell saw Guindon was when the two men were shoveling snow together in the gripping cold of early February. Guindon left two weeks later for Iraq.

?He was a patriotic person,? Mitchell said. ?He told me he knew there was danger and obligation involved, but was sad to leave his family.?

Mitchell said he?d known Guindon for about 10 years, since the Guindons moved into the neighborhood.

Guindon was employed by Raytheon in the electronics and communications industry, and had been sent to Bosnia about five years ago for six months as a civilian contractor for the company.

?He was a patriotic fellow, and he went,? Mitchell said.

Mitchell said Guindon had served a stint in the Army on active duty in electronics, joining the Army Reserve afterward for a few years before joining the Air National Guard.

?They were looking for people and he joined again,? Mitchell said of Guindon?s decision to head to Iraq. ?He said he was interested again. He told me he was a truck driver. He enjoyed a little diversion from what he did during the week.?

Mitchell described his neighbor as a positive, upbeat and enthusiastic person.

?Of all the people on this street, he was the probably one of the easiest, nicest guys you could talk to. His life seemed to be all positives. His wife is a great person. His daughter is liked by everyone,? Mitchell said.

?You?ve got to think it?s related to stress somehow because he just came from a stressful environment. You fly back and you are, what, eight or nine hours out of time . . . the stress of the ride back, you get to the airport, you end up on the (front page of the) Union Leader on Wednesday morning . . . I mean, there is a lot of stuff going on.?

Another neighbor, Don Wolfsohn, was shocked to learn about Guindon?s death as he stopped to talk to Mitchell last night.

?He was a very stable person, a great family man. I don?t know what he went through. It doesn?t make sense,? Wolfsohn said. ?This is about the last person you would expect.?

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Moonbeam

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Men in particular have been taught not to feel. The world is chuck full of assholes like Cheney just waiting to put you down if you are "sensitive". One of the costs is suicide.
 

bozack

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if there was no note then there is a good chance it could have been a murder.
 

PatboyX

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Originally posted by: bozack
if there was no note then there is a good chance it could have been a murder.

who would murder him and why?

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maybe an accident?
 

DefRef

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Service people who weren't in Iraq commit suicide. People who weren't even in the military have committed suicide. To try and connect this death to his service is just another example of the seething hatred and total disregard for reality the Kerry supporters have in their quest for power at all costs.

His family sufferered a loss and all you Bush-hating vultures aren't gonna make them feel any better.
 

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The worst part about all of this is that the military will not learn from this. It's nothing new so I'm not shocked that the General was shocked. He shouldn't be as this happens all too frequently.

If you were ever in the military you know what I'm talking about. Especially the Army or any combat ready unit.
 

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This happened right down the street from me. It's quite a shock around here. From all accounts, he was in good spirits and happy to be home when he was interviewed after getting off the plane the previous day. Very sad...

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This is a shame, regardless of what caused his death.

FWIW, there have been quite a few suicides in Iraq as well.

Returning from a deployment, even a non-combat deployment, is really hard. I once returned from a few months in the desert, and went to the mall to do some Christmas shopping. I was so overwhelmed by the noise and rush of people that I had something like a panic attack, and had to get the hell out. That was comparatively trivial, of course - you may recall the rash of murder/suicides at Fort Bragg a couple of years ago, as soldiers returned from Afghanistan. Here is a story about it.

In general, I think the active-duty Air Force does a good job of taking care of its people, but Guardsman (like this guy) and Reservists don't generally have full access to these benefits.

TSgt Guindon, may you rest in peace.
 

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I think its like veitnam, not as bad as people spitting on vets returning, but i cant imagine they feel very supported.
But he could have done this, if he did, for any number of reasons.
 

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Originally posted by: DefRef
Service people who weren't in Iraq commit suicide. People who weren't even in the military have committed suicide. To try and connect this death to his service is just another example of the seething hatred and total disregard for reality the Kerry supporters have in their quest for power at all costs.

His family sufferered a loss and all you Bush-hating vultures aren't gonna make them feel any better.
The both of you need to stop fagging up this thread with Bush vs Kerrey BS.
 

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Service members commit suicide a lot, and its been happening long before the war in Iraq.

Before entering Iraq (and possibly still now), the #1 killer of Marines every year is suicide. sad but true.
 

Moonbeam

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We are all insane and when you are removed from your environment for a long time, or thrown into a new and strange one where all the props you rely on to keep you from noticing how insane you really are are removed, or are seen again after a long absence, the reality of ones insanity can hit like a ton of bricks.

This is one reason why people who travel a lot often become less insane. They acquire a broadened perspective. But to grow mentally, to become more healthy one has to experience just how insane one really is. Life like psychotherapy can tear down inner walls. It is when one is unprepared, when one has no idea that one is insane and suddenly discovers that fact, and discovers it in a condition of fear of contempt for the insane, that one will often attempt suicide. We hate what we are often times sufficiently to take our own life when it starts to dawn on us that we are exactly everything we hate. This is why humanity desperately needs and requires self knowledge and exactly why that is the last thing it will ever seek. The best news that you could ever have is the last thing you want to hear. You are insane, but it is only a feeling, not a fact. What you really are is more than you can possibly imagine and accounts for why there is a God.
 

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I think that what Moonbeam is saying is that living in a situation like Iraq can leave you feeling alienated when you get home. Travel leaves you feeling quite a bit alienated, and a situation like war must be 1000 times more intense. I think that Mooney would also say that that experience of alienation is more authentic than most of your daily life. It forces you to look into Kierkegaard's abyss, and confront your depths. Many who do so don't come back.

I'm sure there are Psychologists who would have different interpretations.
 

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
We are all insane and when you are removed from your environment for a long time, or thrown into a new and strange one where all the props you rely on to keep you from noticing how insane you really are are removed, or are seen again after a long absence, the reality of ones insanity can hit like a ton of bricks.

This is one reason why people who travel a lot often become less insane. They acquire a broadened perspective. But to grow mentally, to become more healthy one has to experience just how insane one really is. Life like psychotherapy can tear down inner walls. It is when one is unprepared, when one has no idea that one is insane and suddenly discovers that fact, and discovers it in a condition of fear of contempt for the insane, that one will often attempt suicide. We hate what we are often times sufficiently to take our own life when it starts to dawn on us that we are exactly everything we hate. This is why humanity desperately needs and requires self knowledge and exactly why that is the last thing it will ever seek. The best news that you could ever have is the last thing you want to hear. You are insane, but it is only a feeling, not a fact. What you really are is more than you can possibly imagine and accounts for why there is a God.

Yeah, how true. And it isn't untill one truly starts looking inside ones self, that one can start to deal with this. One has to look into ones self and go into those dark places in ones mind. But sadly, some people are unable to deal with what they find out. Some start to suffer from depression, and some even kill themselves. I firmly believe people need to deal with these feelings, and that it should idealy be done in a controled or at least loving enviroment, but some times people just don't get that help, and sometimes it's just to much for them.

Ah well. Rest in peace Dave Guindon...
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: JackStorm
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
We are all insane and when you are removed from your environment for a long time, or thrown into a new and strange one where all the props you rely on to keep you from noticing how insane you really are are removed, or are seen again after a long absence, the reality of ones insanity can hit like a ton of bricks.

This is one reason why people who travel a lot often become less insane. They acquire a broadened perspective. But to grow mentally, to become more healthy one has to experience just how insane one really is. Life like psychotherapy can tear down inner walls. It is when one is unprepared, when one has no idea that one is insane and suddenly discovers that fact, and discovers it in a condition of fear of contempt for the insane, that one will often attempt suicide. We hate what we are often times sufficiently to take our own life when it starts to dawn on us that we are exactly everything we hate. This is why humanity desperately needs and requires self knowledge and exactly why that is the last thing it will ever seek. The best news that you could ever have is the last thing you want to hear. You are insane, but it is only a feeling, not a fact. What you really are is more than you can possibly imagine and accounts for why there is a God.

Yeah, how true. And it isn't untill one truly starts looking inside ones self, that one can start to deal with this. One has to look into ones self and go into those dark places in ones mind. But sadly, some people are unable to deal with what they find out. Some start to suffer from depression, and some even kill themselves. I firmly believe people need to deal with these feelings, and that it should idealy be done in a controled or at least loving enviroment, but some times people just don't get that help, and sometimes it's just to much for them.

Ah well. Rest in peace Dave Guindon...

Couldn't agree more with the loving and controlled enviromnent managed especially by people who have walked the walk and wrestled successfully with their own demons. In them the confidence that it can be done successfully will be and feel real.
 

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This could very well have something to do with his time in Iraq. But unless there's more that I haven't read, it could just as easily not.
 

AndrewR

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There's a suicide nearly every month within PACOM. If you look at the military as a whole, with a population well over 1 million, the incidence of suicide is probably fairly typical. It might even be less than normal considering the general intrusive nature of military life (more likelihood of catching a problem before it results in suicide). I have no idea really, but it's an unfortunate fact when dealing with people who have myriad problems.