Airbus complains over Boeing state funding

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: freegeeks

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: freegeeks

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: freegeeks

In 1998, according to a monitoring study carried out on behalf of the Commission, it was estimated that the amount of US Government indirect support to its LCA industry (Large Civil Aircraft) reached almost $ 2 billion in 1997, i.e. around 7% of its commercial turnover (thus well above the 3% limit set by the 1992 Agreement).

yeah, there are no subsidies for civil contracts for Boeing

link

What kind of subsidies does Boeing get? That article doesn't specifically say Boeing received any - not that I'm doubting it...but that article doesn't specifically say what you're talking about.

plain and simple

Boeing is getting money for it's civil aircraft division from the US govt. There are only 2 big players in the world.
IMO it's a bit hypocrit to bash Airbus when Boeing is doing some creative financing of its own

Boeing and the US govt. are only complaining because Boeing has lost the lead in the civil aircraft market and its civil aircraft branch is getting in trouble.

like I said before, if Boeing and the US govt. are so sure of their case they can take it to the WTO.

simple

Isn't it also very hypocritical to bash or complain about Boeing getting subsidies, too, if Airbus is getting subsidies?

1) I don't start threads about this subject. You better question the originator of this thread why he starts Airbus-Boeing threads (his 2nd in a couple of days). My guess it's some sort of penis envy because Airbus is doing well and Boeing isn't or some sort of nationalistic flagwaving reaction because after all, French companies have a big stake in Airbus and we all know that the Frenchies are BAD BAD people.
2) I don't bash Boeing. It's one of the great companies of the world. Please point me to a thread were I bash Boeing. Please show me a thread that I started about Boeing. I just respond to people who are complaining about govt. financing of Airbus while their own govt. is just doing the same.
3)Like I said before, If Boeing and the US govt. are convinced that Airbus is doing something illegal, bring it before the WTO. I'm all for it. Let them decide what is fair and what is not.

and I'm the hypocrit in this thread

Please stop playing the victim and being so condescending. Are you always like this in every thread? You seem to repeatedly insult me for absolutely no reason at all.

I did not say that you were a hypocrite. If I did, then I apologize, but I did not state that anywhere in this thread or this forum. Since the subject of this post is about Airbus complaining about Boeing, I felt that was a very relevant question. You said "IMO it's a bit hypocrit to bash Airbus when Boeing is doing some creative financing of its own" - but omitted Airbus from that when they are doing the complaining in this very article. I wasn't saying that you were complaining or whining - but that Airbus was being hypocritical if this is true.

And what's with this America vs. France thing that you usually like to reply to my posts with?

He always acts like that. He'll say random comments about America vs. France, how Americans wrap flags around their heads, etc.

 

[CaptnKirk]

"does Boeing use US govt. money to finance civil aircrafts???"

In the early 50's Boeing was contracted to design and manufacture for the U.S.Air Force the C-135 and
the KC-135 StratoTanker as the first operational jet powered cargo and arial refueling aircraft in order to
provide service to the B-47, and B-52 Strategic Bombers in the Military inventory.

The government allowed Boeing to purchase all tooling for the C-135 fleet for use for developing a
comercial version of the C-135 as long as they would be able to access the equipment for any
follow-on variants of the Cargo version, or an executive version of the aircraft when needed.

Witness the birth of the original 7xx series, starting with the 707/720 base versions.
Every aircraft produced by Boeing since that introduction has neen a variation on a theme of that airplane.
727 went to 3 engines, one on each wing and a center thrust tail mount for the third.
747 was the packing crate that the 707's could fit inside - just like supersized fries, just increase everything.
757 & 767 - variations with technology refinements, nothing new or original, just proven technology adaptations.
7E7 - the new flavor.

One of the first things Boeing did after the merger with McDonnell Douglas was to terimate ALL DC-XX and MD-XX
production to ensure that they had no domestic competition with their own brand and pedigree.
The second thing that they did was use the income from the McDonnell line to bankroll thier personal fued with Airbus.
Not to develop a new airliner, nor to explore the plans and designs that they inherited with the merger.

Since the Boeing merger with McDonnell Douglas they have seen the cancelation and/or termination of the following
Military programs that were up and running and producing aircraft in the Saint Louis facillities: (Dick Gebhardt Country)

AV-8B, Harrier JumpJet, program terminated, no extension or follow-on, minimal spares.
F-15, line stopped, restarted on a minimal basis of one a year, incase a foriegn country wants one - nothing yet.
F/A-18 C & D Models, line shut down, contract ended, not to be restarted.
(The F/A-18 E & F Models, a 20 % size upgrade is in LRF - Low Rate Production)
T-45 Trainer, Program cancelled all future models manufacturomg terminated.
C-17, extended fleet build for sub-assy's - Final Assembly completion in Long Beach Facility.

Long Beach Facility (Former Douglas Factory) all production lines for commercial airlins closed.
All facilities and properties inherited from McDonnel Douglas Commercial Airlines put up for sale.
Only facility still being used is the Final Assembly Building for the C-17, less than 50 left to build.
Contaminated land allowed to be used for storage until a decision can be made as to responsible
party is for the clean-up, & how to conduct the work, and pay for the decontamination.