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Air Force wants more land near Area-51

John Connor

John Connor

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Looks like KXTA wants to expand!

A Henderson family has until 3 p.m. today to accept the Air Force’s $5.2 million offer to buy roughly 400 acres encircled by the Nevada Test and Training Range, which includes Area 51. If the family declines, which they have said they will, the Air Force would likely force a sale, seizing the pocket of private land that has been in the family since 1889 and awkwardly sits amid 2.9 million acres of restricted federal land.
If the Air Force invokes eminent domain, it would be allowed to take the property owned by the Sheahan family, in exchange for an amount of money to be determined in court.
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http://lasvegassun.com/news/2015/sep/10/deadline-expires-private-land-near-area-51/

Back in circa '93 Clinton seized a bunch of land there. Leave it to the government to want more land.

More info. Unreal! http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/m...s-air-forces-52-million-bid-land-near-area-51

If anyone is interested, here is the nuke bombing location. It is just west of Area-51. http://mapper.acme.com/?ll=37.08997...08997,-116.02571,2.8 km NxNE of Yucca Flat NV
 
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5.2 million for 400 acres is, uh, really not that much.

Shouldn't the sum of money have a couple more 0's?
 
MajinCry said:
5.2 million for 400 acres is, uh, really not that much.

Shouldn't the sum of money have a couple more 0's?
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not for land that you are going to use for targeting practice. Land which possibly has radiation exposure from the nuclear tests that were conducted just down the street.
 
maddogchen said:
not for land that you are going to use for targeting practice. Land which possibly has radiation exposure from the nuclear tests that were conducted just down the street.
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Nuclear shmuclear. If a cockroach can survive radiation, so can I. Humans are a hundred times bigger, so we can handle, like, a hundred times more radiation.
 
I believe employes of Area-51 had to abandon the base due to radiation creeping in from time to time. I'll have to find that info.

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In 1957, one such test called HOOD was part of an overall program called Operation Plumbob, which was designed to see if damaged nuclear bombs emitted harmful levels of radioactivity. The AEC detonated a 74-kiloton nuclear device 1,500 feet over Area 9 of the NTS. This was the most powerful airburst ever detonated over the continental United States. The AEC did not announce the test ahead of time, though they did tell Area 51 to evacuate beforehand. The resulting blast caused some minor damage at Area 51 – mostly some broken windows and doors. Radiation was a much bigger concern, and, in fact, the soil in Area 51 has absorbed a lot of radiation over years of nuclear tests.
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http://www.darkgovernment.com/news/area-51/

The history of fallout in the Groom Lake area was well documented (starting with the 1951 test series), according to John G. Fuller's book The Day We Bombed Utah, which describes the effects of fallout on the populations of eastern Nevada and western Utah. Fuller relates the story of the Sheahan family who operated the Groom Mine, overlooking the dry lakebed. According to Fuller, the AEC monitored radioactive contamination at the Groom Mine through the use of sticky pans, air and water samples, dosimeters [radiation detectors], and even live rabbits. The Sheahans were informed that there would be "a lot of radioactive dust,...and the clouds would be coming in the direction of the Groom Mine." There would also be times when the Sheahan family and the miners would have to evacuate. The days of non-productivity were a costly nuisance to the Sheahans. The frequent nuclear testing required the mine "to be shut down often, once as long as 12 days in a row," according to Fuller. As Fuller describes the fallout from interviews with surviving Sheahan family members, it "would just sweep in, thick as a dry thunder shower, just as heavy and just as pelting as actual rain." Cattle, horses, and deer in the Groom area were later observed dead or injured with beta burns, a form of radiation damage from fallout.
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http://www.dreamlandresort.com/area51/nuke_effects.html
 
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MajinCry said:
5.2 million for 400 acres is, uh, really not that much.

Shouldn't the sum of money have a couple more 0's?
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$13,000/acre in the middle of nowhere ain't too bad. However, there are buildings and possibly ore minerals to add to the price.
 
MajinCry said:
Nuclear shmuclear. If a cockroach can survive radiation, so can I. Humans are a hundred times bigger, so we can handle, like, a hundred times more radiation.
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Whats that have to do with price? Are you going to offer a hundred times more for the land or a hundred times less?
 
There have been rumors going back to the late 90's that Area 51 has been abandoned with the assets and operations being moved to Utah and Colorado, but that does not appear to be the case. The USAF would not be looking to expand in an area they're abandoning.

Most of Nevada is owned by the federal government as it is.


Brian
 
IronWing said:
$13,000/acre in the middle of nowhere ain't too bad. However, there are buildings and possibly ore minerals to add to the price.
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They can visit their property but can't mine it. It has been that way since SR-71 days. They don't have clearances, have never signed or agreed to keep silent in the name of national defense but have so far kept silent. They can arrange several weeks in advance at trip. No one lives there permanently. The CIA, Air Force, Kelly Johnson or whomever runs the place at the time just puts away their toys, they visit on a weekend, leave and the bring their toys out to play.

There are places where I know I can watch any day with a good telephoto lens, You can buy Russian Satellite photos of those toys; they ain't fooling anybody. The government powers at be have been trying to acquire that property since CIA days ion the early 50s. When they first withdrew the land, they recognized it and weren't concerned. This was the height of the McCarthy era when no loyal American would say anything to anyone.

The Air Farce side is it is getting more difficult to schedule around their visits and they have to justify the big bucks they spend. 10 million is a mouse fart in the reality of what it costs when one of their toys malfunctions. If they had allowed them to mine the area they would either have already made their 10 million or realized it was uneconomical at with today's technology to extract ore. Either would have led to a resolution a long time ago.

What they do they don't want others to know about is done inside, out of site to prying eyes, or somewhere behind a nearby mountain, out of site to all prying eyes except satellite but I suspect also behind closed doors or deep within the bowels of the earth.

There is so much Bovine Scat put out about the ranch you have to observe those who ride white 727s with red stripes, know their background and what they specialize in to draw a fairly good conclusion. I testified at the hearing at the last withdrawal and out of 450+ people; my testimony and three others were actually relevant and required the Air farce and BLM to address. The only concern I have for this latest round is if Lincoln County loses 400 acres or property tax, they should be compensated.
 
I actually have the Janet 737-200's and 767's fly in and out of Area-51 I created in FS2004. They fly real world schedules at any given time. I even have a B1900D that fly's to Nut Tree CA. LOL!

The Janet aircraft are registered in Layton Utah and were bought from China if you can believe it.

I sometimes listen to KLAS ATC from Liveatc.net and I have heard Janet take off and land. Was pretty cool. I think then I wonder what they're working on. Shit that would blow your mind!

"KXTA" is a detachment of KEDW and it does remind me of Edwards. I've been to that dry lake bed twice to see the space shuttle land. Awesome to hear two sonic booms ricochet off the desert floor.
 
This is crap! The Eminent Domain laws are crap. The Government should Not be allowed to run you over and take the land that you legally own for any price.
 
maddogchen said:
not for land that you are going to use for targeting practice. Land which possibly has radiation exposure from the nuclear tests that were conducted just down the street.
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Well said. And it is in a rural desert on top of that. It isn't a bad deal.
 
Matthiasa said:
Which is why you are off by an order of magnitude..
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That's what I get for doing math in my head. To be honest $130000 sounded exorbitant anyway. $13000 sounds about right. I wonder if they made the government take them to court would they be likely get more or less than that.
 
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