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Air Force Grounds F-22 Raptors

wischeez

Golden Member
May 06, 2011
Stars and Stripes|by Jon Rabiroff

SEOUL -- The U.S. Air Force has grounded its fleet of F-22 Raptors, citing concerns over the aircraft’s oxygen system.

The 137 fighter jets were grounded Tuesday on the orders of Gen. William Fraser, commander of Air Combat Command at Langley Air Force Base, Va., according to Pacific Air Forces Command spokesman Capt. Martin Gerst.

“The stand-down is a prudent measure following recent reports of potential oxygen system malfunctions,” Gerst said Friday. “The stand-down provides Air Force officials the opportunity to investigate the reports and ensure crews are able to safely accomplish their missions.”

It is not immediately clear how long the Raptors will be grounded, or what it will take to put them back in operation, he said.

“The safety of our airmen is paramount, and we will take the necessary time to ensure we perform a thorough investigation,” Gerst said.

An investigation into the Raptors’ performance was launched in the wake of a November crash in Alaska. Since January, the jets have been restricted to altitudes of 25,000 feet because of concerns pilots might black out from a lack of oxygen, officials said.

Asked how the grounding of the Raptors might affect Air Force operations, Gerst said, “The temporary stand-down will have a negligible effect on real-world missions, as the F-22 remains available for national security-directed missions. Additionally … commanders may allow one-time flights if warranted and prudent.

“Crews will maintain proficiency through simulator and ground training events,” he said.

The F-22 program has been under intense scrutiny for years. Developed as the U.S. military’s premier fighter jet, the F-22 with its $400 million price tag has been hotly debated in Congress. When the 2010 Defense Authorization Bill was passed, F-22 production was capped to 187 total aircraft.

The stealth aircraft has never been flown in combat.
 
I have confidence that the Air Force will find a way with Lockheed's help to blame the pilot/maintenance crew for the problem.

They have done it before 🙁
 
Sounds like precaution to me.

Nothing can compete with them for air superiority, so why not be as careful as possible?
 
Stuff like this isn't uncommon with military hardware. Performance and weight > *. With new tech there's always unforeseen problems. If this is coming to light now rather than earlier in the use of the F22 it sounds like its something that is wearing out prematurely due to use. It may have worked fine initially, but is now becoming an issue because the plane has started getting up there in flight hours.

If they can't replace it or don't want to replace it until they can do so with something that fixes the problem it makes sense to keep the fleet grounded. Grounding the fleet eliminates the risk of losing an aircraft and allows them to keep the fleet operational. Parts can't wear out and fail if they're not being used.

Again, this isn't anything crazy. Most weapons systems go through this sort of crap. The other fighters in air force inventory have the advantage of having had a few extra decades to work out all their kinks and aren't making use of such advanced (aka complicated) tech.
 
F-22 were supposed to be the headliner at the airshow over last weekend but was pulled out because of this problem.
 
What do you expect it was build by american union workers. I'm surprised this shit is flying.

This is probably a design issue, not a build quality issue. That aside the F22, even if it ever lives up too it's billing is just way too expensive. Not a hater here but is it really necessary to spend this much for a single plane?.
 
Good, it will same the country millions for each day they none of them fly...

Also not a big news coz it encounters "critical failure every 1.7 hours of flight"
 
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Good, it will same the country millions for each day they none of them fly...

Also not a big news coz it encounters "critical failure every 1.7 hours of flight"

Save millions by spending billions trouble shooting an issue and inspecting aircraft... Brilliant!
 
The F22 is an amazing aircraft, but it just doesn't make sense to spend half a billion dollars on a single plane. No matter how great that plane is, an enemy with 20 F-16's or 20 F15's for the same price tag will kick it's butt anyway.
 
The F22 is an amazing aircraft, but it just doesn't make sense to spend half a billion dollars on a single plane. No matter how great that plane is, an enemy with 20 F-16's or 20 F15's for the same price tag will kick it's butt anyway.

That scenario played out in WW2, the Tiger tank had better armor and more firepower than other tanks of the era but we could build dozens of Shermans for every Tiger Germany could build, it was an accepted fact that a few Shermans were gonna get toasted while taking out a Tiger but we eventually overwhelmed them with numbers..
 
Given the capabilities of PAK FA, I for one am glad we have the F22. From a purely technical perspective, the price and capability of PAK FA renders the F-35 even more of a joke.

The F22 (and future revisions thereof) is the US's only real weapon against PAK FA. So, by all means, keep them flying.
 
First rust, then problems with core structure, now oxygen system.
I call this a shitty job.

Also, the computer electrical glitch.

The plane has been operational for 7+ years and they are just finding some of these issues.

Someone has been asleep at the stick and/or the problem has gotten so bad that it can not be buried/covered up:thumbsdown:
 
Groundings happen all the time on Navy and Air force Aircraft.
just like recalls and other maintenance notifications on cars new aircraft and even some old get grounded for a critical fix or problem all the time..
just with a bird as expensive and high profile as the Raptor it's making news as some asshat government officals want the entire project scrapped and are looking for motivation to do so..

This happened with the brand new M/D (at the time now Boeing) Hornets C and D models several times when they were brand new.

happened alot to the F-14's as well.. fleet wide Wing Sweep groundings.. just never made news.
 
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