AIG in talks with Fed over new Bail-out

Pepsei

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reminds me of this movie, money pit.

since we've sunk enough money into it, it gets harder and harder to stop.
almost like dating a high maintenance girl hoping for some, and end up with nothing in the end.
 

Engineer

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Baby needs a new bonus....er....new pair of golden shoes.

Time for another party or hunting trip eh?

Fuck em.....er....me I say.
 

K1052

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The idea was to use the original bailout money to buy time for AIG to sell off many of it's constituent parts to other companies. The credit markets seizing up and the need for many companies to preserve cash at all costs prevented this from happening.
 

cKGunslinger

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I hope LK shows up here to explain to us why this is also a great and necessary move and that we're all ignorant for daring to question it.
 

ja1484

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This is the kind of thing I find hilarious when people talk about "not wanting to live in a socialist republic". We have pretty much since Reagan, when the government became a wholly owned subsidiary of the corporations in this country. Publicly held companies being bailed out by taxpayer dollars and you still think this is a capitalist economy?

More to the point, George Carlin put it best..."It's a big club, and you ain't in it! You and I are not in the big club!"
 

Avalon

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So I guess this means Manchester United will have to find a new sponsor soon? :p
Sucks for me, I already have two jerseys from this year.
 

ja1484

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Originally posted by: Ballatician
Slipperyyy slope ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Meh, I couldn't care less. Socialist or not, all governments are machinations of man that the natural world couldn't give a shit about.

We are all going to die some day. What kind of government a single country has, in the grand scheme of things, means very little.
 

Mark R

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AIG bailout package likely to be worth $150 billion.

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With the govt taking $40 billion in equity, they are going to be a penny stock tomorrow.
 

TallBill

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Originally posted by: Mark R
AIG bailout package likely to be worth $150 billion.

link

With the govt taking $40 billion in equity, they are going to be a penny stock tomorrow.

Fuck, I think I'm finally going to cave and subscribe to WSJ this week.
 

brencat

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Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: Mark R
AIG bailout package likely to be worth $150 billion.

link

With the govt taking $40 billion in equity, they are going to be a penny stock tomorrow.

Fuck, I think I'm finally going to cave and subscribe to WSJ this week.
Don't bother. Go to Bloomberg.com -- best site for current news all in one place. I miss the service (come to think of it, I miss my Wall Street job :( )
 

SagaLore

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Shouldn't bailouts be a last course of action? You know, like in the middle of filing bankruptcy? Its like these companies are going to start asking as soon as their christmas bonus account looks a little low.
 

brencat

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Originally posted by: SagaLore
Shouldn't bailouts be a last course of action? You know, like in the middle of filing bankruptcy? Its like these companies are going to start asking as soon as their christmas bonus account looks a little low.
Funny you mention that, but didn't GM ask for a meeting with Pelosi the day after Obama was elected? Pretty obvious they'd have a receptive ear if GM inferred of 10s of thousands of blue collar manufacturing jobs could be at risk...
 

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Dammit, they're at it again!

AIG Execs get caught attending another SPA junket!

Company officials confirmed the company spent an estimated $343,000 to sponsor the 2008 Asset Management Conference.

The article does go on to say that the amount might be recovered from sponsors, but still....this just really makes these guys look bad and seem very out of touch.

Okay, I say what should be done now is to fire the whole lot of them, and fine them for the amount spent of taxpayer's money.
 

tweaker2

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Originally posted by: DanceMan
Dammit, they're at it again!

AIG Execs get caught attending another SPA junket!

Company officials confirmed the company spent an estimated $343,000 to sponsor the 2008 Asset Management Conference.

The article does go on to say that the amount might be recovered from sponsors, but still....this just really makes these guys look bad and seem very out of touch.

Okay, I say what should be done now is to fire the whole lot of them, and fine them for the amount spent of taxpayer's money.

With Bush and Cheney coddling and protecting them as insurance for when they leave office it ain't going to happen as long as they're still in control.

The Great Grand Giveaway has broken free of the restraints of logic and common sense and the looting of the national treasury is still running wild and unabated.

Thank You, Deregulators, yu've done a heck of a job. Not only have you emptied out the coffers, you've managed to insure your return with the horrible mess you've left at Obama's feet.

 

Pepsei

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Originally posted by: DanceMan
Dammit, they're at it again!

AIG Execs get caught attending another SPA junket!

Company officials confirmed the company spent an estimated $343,000 to sponsor the 2008 Asset Management Conference.

The article does go on to say that the amount might be recovered from sponsors, but still....this just really makes these guys look bad and seem very out of touch.

Okay, I say what should be done now is to fire the whole lot of them, and fine them for the amount spent of taxpayer's money.

Wow... what's this? like the fourth time?

i can't even laugh anymore.... this is sad...
 

imported_Lothar

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Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: Mark R
AIG bailout package likely to be worth $150 billion.

link

With the govt taking $40 billion in equity, they are going to be a penny stock tomorrow.

Fuck, I think I'm finally going to cave and subscribe to WSJ this week.

Why pay for WSJ, when you can get news from Bloomberg? :confused:

For all the hype about WSJ, I never saw anything spectacular about that paper the last 4 years I read it.
Our school had free subscriptions for business students living in our dorms.
Eventhough I wasn't a business student, I always took one every morning from the front desk that had someone elses name on it since most people don't read them anyway.

I would read WSJ for free.
However, I wouldn't subscribe to it using my own hard earned money when I can get the same information for free elsewhere within minutes.
 

wetech

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Originally posted by: Pepsei
Originally posted by: DanceMan
Dammit, they're at it again!

AIG Execs get caught attending another SPA junket!

Company officials confirmed the company spent an estimated $343,000 to sponsor the 2008 Asset Management Conference.

The article does go on to say that the amount might be recovered from sponsors, but still....this just really makes these guys look bad and seem very out of touch.

Okay, I say what should be done now is to fire the whole lot of them, and fine them for the amount spent of taxpayer's money.

Wow... what's this? like the fourth time?

i can't even laugh anymore.... this is sad...

The article links to AIG's response. 90% of the cost was picked up by the attendees or by sponsors. $34k to keep people happy selling your products is not a lot of money, when they brought in $200mm.

I expect the next 'gotcha' story will be something like, "AIG wastes 10's of $0.01's stocking its buildings bathrooms with 2-ply instead of 1-ply."


 

TallBill

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Originally posted by: Lothar
Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: Mark R
AIG bailout package likely to be worth $150 billion.

link

With the govt taking $40 billion in equity, they are going to be a penny stock tomorrow.

Fuck, I think I'm finally going to cave and subscribe to WSJ this week.

Why pay for WSJ, when you can get news from Bloomberg? :confused:

For all the hype about WSJ, I never saw anything spectacular about that paper the last 4 years I read it.
Our school had free subscriptions for business students living in our dorms.
Eventhough I wasn't a business student, I always took one every morning from the front desk that had someone elses name on it since most people don't read them anyway.

I would read WSJ for free.
However, I wouldn't subscribe to it using my own hard earned money when I can get the same information for free elsewhere within minutes.

Because news is easier to read in paper form for me. If I read a long article online I lose focus. Same reason that I subscribe to Wired instead of read it for free.

Not only do I not care about local news, but the Chicago Tribune and Suntimes are garbage.
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: Pepsei
Originally posted by: DanceMan
Dammit, they're at it again!

AIG Execs get caught attending another SPA junket!

Company officials confirmed the company spent an estimated $343,000 to sponsor the 2008 Asset Management Conference.

The article does go on to say that the amount might be recovered from sponsors, but still....this just really makes these guys look bad and seem very out of touch.

Okay, I say what should be done now is to fire the whole lot of them, and fine them for the amount spent of taxpayer's money.

Wow... what's this? like the fourth time?

i can't even laugh anymore.... this is sad...


you would think they would learn. fuck you thinkt he goverment would learn.

how many more are there going to be? at least some in the govermetn are callling of rheads.
 

DanceMan

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Originally posted by: wetech
Originally posted by: Pepsei
Originally posted by: DanceMan
Dammit, they're at it again!

AIG Execs get caught attending another SPA junket!

Company officials confirmed the company spent an estimated $343,000 to sponsor the 2008 Asset Management Conference.

The article does go on to say that the amount might be recovered from sponsors, but still....this just really makes these guys look bad and seem very out of touch.

Okay, I say what should be done now is to fire the whole lot of them, and fine them for the amount spent of taxpayer's money.

Wow... what's this? like the fourth time?

i can't even laugh anymore.... this is sad...

The article links to AIG's response. 90% of the cost was picked up by the attendees or by sponsors. $34k to keep people happy selling your products is not a lot of money, when they brought in $200mm.

I expect the next 'gotcha' story will be something like, "AIG wastes 10's of $0.01's stocking its buildings bathrooms with 2-ply instead of 1-ply."

Well, I don't think it's a gotcha story. The AIG CEO said that he was going to stop these kinds of 'junkets'. Then, they try to cover them up. They just got caught again.

Secondly, I really don't care how much money they brought in. Those same executives also caused the company to be in the shape that it's in now. They don't deservce any kind of 'junket'.

Also, they still had to front the money, and who's to say (and also, who's going to check) to see if the sponsors do reimburse them from the fronted amount?

I'm starting to think it would have been better to let these guys fail. Unemployment's already up, and it's probably going to get still worse.

 

wetech

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Originally posted by: DanceMan
Originally posted by: wetech
Originally posted by: Pepsei
Originally posted by: DanceMan
Dammit, they're at it again!

AIG Execs get caught attending another SPA junket!

Company officials confirmed the company spent an estimated $343,000 to sponsor the 2008 Asset Management Conference.

The article does go on to say that the amount might be recovered from sponsors, but still....this just really makes these guys look bad and seem very out of touch.

Okay, I say what should be done now is to fire the whole lot of them, and fine them for the amount spent of taxpayer's money.

Wow... what's this? like the fourth time?

i can't even laugh anymore.... this is sad...

The article links to AIG's response. 90% of the cost was picked up by the attendees or by sponsors. $34k to keep people happy selling your products is not a lot of money, when they brought in $200mm.

I expect the next 'gotcha' story will be something like, "AIG wastes 10's of $0.01's stocking its buildings bathrooms with 2-ply instead of 1-ply."

Well, I don't think it's a gotcha story. The AIG CEO said that he was going to stop these kinds of 'junkets'. Then, they try to cover them up. They just got caught again.

Secondly, I really don't care how much money they brought in. Those same executives also caused the company to be in the shape that it's in now. They don't deservce any kind of 'junket'.

Also, they still had to front the money, and who's to say (and also, who's going to check) to see if the sponsors do reimburse them from the fronted amount?

I'm starting to think it would have been better to let these guys fail. Unemployment's already up, and it's probably going to get still worse.

It's not the exec's that are going on these trips. It's the insurance agents who sell AIG products. It's industry practice to offer these types of perks to the top sellers.

Also, the response says that the costs were paid by the attendees / sponsors.