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[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: Shanti

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
The problem I have w/ Schwarzenegger is the way in which he took office: effectively a bloodless coup. If he had run in a normal election and won, I would have much more respect for him as governor. It's the same problem I have with the way Bush took office. Of course, I'm mostly over it now in both cases, but it still is a nagging issue for many.

By all measures, Schwarzenegger should really appeal to me as a social liberal/fiscal moderate. I am becoming, however, more and more fiscally conservative and his "borrow and spend" mentality is starting to get on my nerves. That's why I voted against both of his state measures.

Jesus, you have got to be fvcking kidding me. A bloodless coup? Exactly how was it a bloodless coup?????????

You'd think liberals would be all in favor of the democratic process. What more power could you give to the people than to have the opportunity to petition and vote for the recall of an elected official who has screwed his state. So fvcking what if the money to fund the effort came from a republican. The people got to vote and they made their choice. How much more democratic could you get. I mean talk about "power to the people".

But I guess the democratic process is only reserved for democrats right?

EDIT: And get over the Bush election. I can't believe some of you are still stupid enough to buy the "Bush stole the election" BS spewed by morons like Michael Moore. Seriously people, we have had the electoral college system for a long time. You'd think people would understand it by now.

Counties won by Gore: 677
Counties won by Bush: 2436
Population of counties won by Gore: 127 Million
Population of counties won by Bush: 143 Million
Square miles of country won by Gore: 580,000
Square miles of country won by Bush: 2,427,000
States won by Gore: 19
States won by Bush: 29
Source: USA Today

I can call it whatever I want to call it. Yes, I have a problem with the Republicans using an obscure law and out-of-state petition gatherers paid for by a Republican to subvert the popular election that took place barely a few months prior to the recall effort. Can't win in a general election? No problem. Let's subvert the will of the people who just voted and bank on the fact that voters are too lazy to show up in the same numbers for an unscheduled recall vote.

I already said I was mostly over both of these election issues. I'm certainly not sitting around all pissed off about it, yet I'm not going to just forget about it either. Got to move on, I certainly understand that.

 

[DT4K]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

I can call it whatever I want to call it. Yes, I have a problem with the Republicans using an obscure law and out-of-state petition gatherers paid for by a Republican to subvert the popular election that took place barely a few months prior to the recall effort. Can't win in a general election? No problem. Let's subvert the will of the people who just voted and bank on the fact that voters are too lazy to show up in the same numbers for an unscheduled recall vote.

I already said I was mostly over both of these election issues. I'm certainly not sitting around all pissed off about it, yet I'm not going to just forget about it either. Got to move on, I certainly understand that.

Hahahahah.
Thanks for the laugh.

Now laws regarding the recall petition process are "obscure"????
Having another vote by the people 11 months later is subverting the will of the people???
I can't even begin to comprehend that one.

And you are saying Arnold won because they were banking on the fact that voters are too lazy to show up in the same numbers for an unscheduled recall vote?
Wrong again since:
7.7 million people voted in the regular election that gave Davis his second term as governor.
9.4 million people voted in the recall election that kicked Davis out.

What fantasy world do you live in?

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: Shanti

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

I can call it whatever I want to call it. Yes, I have a problem with the Republicans using an obscure law and out-of-state petition gatherers paid for by a Republican to subvert the popular election that took place barely a few months prior to the recall effort. Can't win in a general election? No problem. Let's subvert the will of the people who just voted and bank on the fact that voters are too lazy to show up in the same numbers for an unscheduled recall vote.

I already said I was mostly over both of these election issues. I'm certainly not sitting around all pissed off about it, yet I'm not going to just forget about it either. Got to move on, I certainly understand that.

Hahahahah.
Thanks for the laugh.

Now laws regarding the recall petition process are "obscure"????
Having another vote by the people 11 months later is subverting the will of the people???
I can't even begin to comprehend that one.

And you are saying Arnold won because they were banking on the fact that voters are too lazy to show up in the same numbers for an unscheduled recall vote?
Wrong again since:
7.7 million people voted in the regular election that gave Davis his second term as governor.
9.4 million people voted in the recall election that kicked Davis out.

What fantasy world do you live in?

You know, I don't care what party you are, this is an excellent example of "power of the people"

People no longer liked davis. They kicked him out. A simple act of people using their power.

Arnold seems to be doing ok for a non-politician...good for him....all I care about is he helps to get Californias economy working again...cuz if he does...that helps us all in the US and to an extent the world.

I love the fact that he takes issues to the people.

President Arnold - 2008!

 

[DT4K]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: Shanti

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

I can call it whatever I want to call it. Yes, I have a problem with the Republicans using an obscure law and out-of-state petition gatherers paid for by a Republican to subvert the popular election that took place barely a few months prior to the recall effort. Can't win in a general election? No problem. Let's subvert the will of the people who just voted and bank on the fact that voters are too lazy to show up in the same numbers for an unscheduled recall vote.

I already said I was mostly over both of these election issues. I'm certainly not sitting around all pissed off about it, yet I'm not going to just forget about it either. Got to move on, I certainly understand that.

Hahahahah.
Thanks for the laugh.

Now laws regarding the recall petition process are "obscure"????
Having another vote by the people 11 months later is subverting the will of the people???
I can't even begin to comprehend that one.

And you are saying Arnold won because they were banking on the fact that voters are too lazy to show up in the same numbers for an unscheduled recall vote?
Wrong again since:
7.7 million people voted in the regular election that gave Davis his second term as governor.
9.4 million people voted in the recall election that kicked Davis out.

What fantasy world do you live in?

You know, I don't care what party you are, this is an excellent example of "power of the people"

People no longer liked davis. They kicked him out. A simple act of people using their power.

Arnold seems to be doing ok for a non-politician...good for him....all I care about is he helps to get Californias economy working again...cuz if he does...that helps us all in the US and to an extent the world.

I love the fact that he takes issues to the people.

President Arnold - 2008!

Agreed.
It is a perfect example of the democratic process.
Of course the democratic process is only a good thing when it benefits the liberals.

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: Shanti

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: Shanti

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

I can call it whatever I want to call it. Yes, I have a problem with the Republicans using an obscure law and out-of-state petition gatherers paid for by a Republican to subvert the popular election that took place barely a few months prior to the recall effort. Can't win in a general election? No problem. Let's subvert the will of the people who just voted and bank on the fact that voters are too lazy to show up in the same numbers for an unscheduled recall vote.

I already said I was mostly over both of these election issues. I'm certainly not sitting around all pissed off about it, yet I'm not going to just forget about it either. Got to move on, I certainly understand that.

Hahahahah.
Thanks for the laugh.

Now laws regarding the recall petition process are "obscure"????
Having another vote by the people 11 months later is subverting the will of the people???
I can't even begin to comprehend that one.

And you are saying Arnold won because they were banking on the fact that voters are too lazy to show up in the same numbers for an unscheduled recall vote?
Wrong again since:
7.7 million people voted in the regular election that gave Davis his second term as governor.
9.4 million people voted in the recall election that kicked Davis out.

What fantasy world do you live in?

You know, I don't care what party you are, this is an excellent example of "power of the people"

People no longer liked davis. They kicked him out. A simple act of people using their power.

Arnold seems to be doing ok for a non-politician...good for him....all I care about is he helps to get Californias economy working again...cuz if he does...that helps us all in the US and to an extent the world.

I love the fact that he takes issues to the people.

President Arnold - 2008!

Agreed.
It is a perfect example of the democratic process.
Of course the democratic process is only a good thing when it benefits the liberals.

True...True

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: Shanti

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: Shanti

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

I can call it whatever I want to call it. Yes, I have a problem with the Republicans using an obscure law and out-of-state petition gatherers paid for by a Republican to subvert the popular election that took place barely a few months prior to the recall effort. Can't win in a general election? No problem. Let's subvert the will of the people who just voted and bank on the fact that voters are too lazy to show up in the same numbers for an unscheduled recall vote.

I already said I was mostly over both of these election issues. I'm certainly not sitting around all pissed off about it, yet I'm not going to just forget about it either. Got to move on, I certainly understand that.

Hahahahah.
Thanks for the laugh.

Now laws regarding the recall petition process are "obscure"????
Having another vote by the people 11 months later is subverting the will of the people???
I can't even begin to comprehend that one.

And you are saying Arnold won because they were banking on the fact that voters are too lazy to show up in the same numbers for an unscheduled recall vote?
Wrong again since:
7.7 million people voted in the regular election that gave Davis his second term as governor.
9.4 million people voted in the recall election that kicked Davis out.

What fantasy world do you live in?

You know, I don't care what party you are, this is an excellent example of "power of the people"

People no longer liked davis. They kicked him out. A simple act of people using their power.

Arnold seems to be doing ok for a non-politician...good for him....all I care about is he helps to get Californias economy working again...cuz if he does...that helps us all in the US and to an extent the world.

I love the fact that he takes issues to the people.

President Arnold - 2008!

Agreed.
It is a perfect example of the democratic process.
Of course the democratic process is only a good thing when it benefits the liberals.

Are you guys seriously that naive? The recall election was a total power grab by the Republicans. The recall effort started virtually immediately after the general election. If the people of CA disliked Davis so much, why didn't they vote him out in the general election of 2002? Instead, they voted for Davis over Bill Simon and Davis won by a handy margin.

Sour grapes. The repubs couldn't run a decent candidate, they get shot down in the general election, so they bankroll a bunch of signature gatherers to push for a recall -- which all governors over the last 30 years have been subjected to in some degree or another. Yet the only reason they were successful this time was because Issa paid thousands of circulators. Yes, I believe that the Republicans believed they would win a recall election more easily because it was widely expected that few would turn out for the vote. It didn't turn out that way, yet I believe that was part of the initial strategy.

Like I said, I'm not dwelling on this necessarily. I think Arnold and myself are compatible on most of the issues. Republicans should have run him in 2002 against Davis. Instead they blundered and ran Bill Simon. So laugh all you want, but frankly I'm free to characterize the recall effort any way I want.

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: Shanti

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: Shanti

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

I can call it whatever I want to call it. Yes, I have a problem with the Republicans using an obscure law and out-of-state petition gatherers paid for by a Republican to subvert the popular election that took place barely a few months prior to the recall effort. Can't win in a general election? No problem. Let's subvert the will of the people who just voted and bank on the fact that voters are too lazy to show up in the same numbers for an unscheduled recall vote.

I already said I was mostly over both of these election issues. I'm certainly not sitting around all pissed off about it, yet I'm not going to just forget about it either. Got to move on, I certainly understand that.

Hahahahah.
Thanks for the laugh.

Now laws regarding the recall petition process are "obscure"????
Having another vote by the people 11 months later is subverting the will of the people???
I can't even begin to comprehend that one.

And you are saying Arnold won because they were banking on the fact that voters are too lazy to show up in the same numbers for an unscheduled recall vote?
Wrong again since:
7.7 million people voted in the regular election that gave Davis his second term as governor.
9.4 million people voted in the recall election that kicked Davis out.

What fantasy world do you live in?

You know, I don't care what party you are, this is an excellent example of "power of the people"

People no longer liked davis. They kicked him out. A simple act of people using their power.

Arnold seems to be doing ok for a non-politician...good for him....all I care about is he helps to get Californias economy working again...cuz if he does...that helps us all in the US and to an extent the world.

I love the fact that he takes issues to the people.

President Arnold - 2008!

Agreed.
It is a perfect example of the democratic process.
Of course the democratic process is only a good thing when it benefits the liberals.

Are you guys seriously that naive? The recall election was a total power grab by the Republicans. The recall effort started virtually immediately after the general election. If the people of CA disliked Davis so much, why didn't they vote him out in the general election of 2002? Instead, they voted for Davis over Bill Simon and Davis won by a handy margin.

Sour grapes. The repubs couldn't run a decent candidate, they get shot down in the general election, so they bankroll a bunch of signature gatherers to push for a recall -- which all governors over the last 30 years have been subjected to in some degree or another. Yet the only reason they were successful this time was because Issa paid thousands of circulators. Yes, I believe that the Republicans believed they would win a recall election more easily because it was widely expected that few would turn out for the vote. It didn't turn out that way, yet I believe that was part of the initial strategy.

Like I said, I'm not dwelling on this necessarily. I think Arnold and myself are compatible on most of the issues. Republicans should have run him in 2002 against Davis. Instead they blundered and ran Bill Simon. So laugh all you want, but frankly I'm free to characterize the recall effort any way I want.

Davis was not truthful about the state of California before the election, then afterwards he layed a bombshell.

Davis even admitted to making mistakes

There was more to the recall than getting signatures.

If the R's paid them...good...they created jobs.

If the people didn't want davis to be recalled, the could have voted no....and then he would still be governor.

Power to the people - Right On

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
Davis was not truthful about the state of California before the election, then afterwards he layed a bombshell.

Bwaaaa hahahahahaha! Nice one!

So, Davis tricked the Republicans into not voting his ass out in the general election? Oh that's rich. Please, if Davis was as horrible as everyone here is saying, the Republicans wouldn't have any trouble winning in a general election.

But nope, I guess everyone was tricked into voting for California's worst governor. Is that akin to Bush going to Congress and asking for permission to go to war w/ Iraq? Oh, yeah I'll go to the U.N. and make sure we have their backing. No problemo. Congress was tricked too! OMG! Noooooo!!

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
Davis was not truthful about the state of California before the election, then afterwards he layed a bombshell.

Bwaaaa hahahahahaha! Nice one!

So, Davis tricked the Republicans into not voting his ass out in the general election? Oh that's rich. Please, if Davis was as horrible as everyone here is saying, the Republicans wouldn't have any trouble winning in a general election.

But nope, I guess everyone was tricked into voting for California's worst governor. Is that akin to Bush going to Congress and asking for permission to go to war w/ Iraq? Oh, yeah I'll go to the U.N. and make sure we have their backing. No problemo. Congress was tricked too! OMG! Noooooo!!

After the state increased taxes by $2.4 billion in 2002, Davis topped off his campaign by announcing a projected budget shortfall of "only" $12 billion. With this final assurance that the state wasn't doing as badly as the Republicans cried, and that Governor Fundraiser had this whole "budget situation" under control, the election was his. And it wasn't even close. Davis sailed to victory over pathetic Bill "Clark Kent" Simon, a candidate who never was able to find that special telephone booth and burst out like a real Superman against the Davis Money Machine.

A few days after re-election, Davis admitted that, after further review, it was discovered that the state was actually $35 billion over budget. But, no matter. The election was done.

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Source

23 Billion? thats a big miss.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
A few days after re-election, Davis admitted that, after further review, it was discovered that the state was actually $35 billion over budget. But, no matter. The election was done.

You're overstating the CA budget deficit. We just voted on a $15 Billion deficit bond to shore up our state budget. Apparantly, $15 Billion is the magic number. It may have been less if Arnold hadn't killed the car tax. Davis had actually authorized $10.7 billion in borrowing to shore up the state's finances, so Arnold has actually increased how much we're borrowing by around $4.3 Billion.

 

[DT4K]

DealMonkey,
Bottom line: the people voted to remove Davis.
Regardless of who funded the petition gathering, I fail to see how a vote by the people is subverting the will of the people.
The republicans don't have the ability to do a "power grab".
They have the ability with lots of money and enough petition signatures to send the issue to a vote BY THE PEOPLE.
After that, the people have a choice and they made it.

Whatever the reasons, the people obviously changed their mind about Davis between fall 2002 and fall 2003.

Are you implying that you don't think the people should have the right to remove a governor by popular vote if they realize after electing him that he is destroying their state?

 

[Genesys]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Genesys

Originally posted by: Gravity
He implemented one stop gap measure. Meanwhile, kids are dying in their detention centers, businesses are leaving the state in droves and the mayor in his capital city is operating overtly outside the law. Not to mention that his budget is fraught with wate and programs that cannot be supported in perpetuity.

There will have to be some unpopular decisions made soon if CA is to survive the next decade in any fiscal condition but broke.

the capital of California is Sacremento

Sacramento.

grammar nazi