Ahmadinejad comes to Israel's doorstep in Lebanon

JEDIYoda

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WoW--Just wow....it`s amazing how everybody was slamming Israel for the settlements and saying how Israel was using the settlements as a bargaining chip.....

This really should awaken those of you who are pro-Palestinian and claim to want Peace in that region.....

Possibly Peace is not even possible ever!! Even if Israel closed down all the legal settlements and as a jesture of kindness gave back all legally acquired lands and put the right to return on the table.......

Makes you wonder who actually is pulling the strings in that portion of the world!!

Even with the efforts of Abbas and had Abbas been successful, it appears there are those who have not even been factored into this whole affair.

Okay -- start bashing Israel again...lol....

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101014/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_lebanon_iran

BINT JBEIL, Lebanon – Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad came to the doorstep of his archenemy Israel Thursday, telling thousands of Hezbollah supporters in a Lebanese border town he was proud of their struggle as Israeli helicopters buzzed the skies along the frontier.

The U.S. and Israel have called Ahmadinejad's visit to the border a provocation that undermines Lebanon's sovereignty.

Iran, whose ties to Hezbollah date back nearly 30 years, funds the militant group to the tune of millions of dollars a year and is believed to supply much of its arsenal. Hezbollah boasts widespread support among Shiites and virtually runs a state-within-a-state in Shiite areas of Lebanon.

"You proved that your resistance, your patience, your steadfastness, were stronger than all the tanks and warplanes of the enemy," Ahmadinejad said at the rally in Bint Jbeil, about two miles (four kilometers) from the border.

"The people of Iran will remain by your side, and all the people in this region," he added.

An AP reporter saw two Israeli attack helicopters hovering above the Israeli border town of Moshav Avivim. But otherwise, Israeli military presence near the town appeared minimal. The military declined comment.

The Iranian leader arrived in Lebanon on Wednesday to a rapturous welcome organized by Hezbollah for his first state visit to Beirut. But his splashy arrival exacerbated fears among many Lebanese — particularly Sunnis and Christians — that Iran and Hezbollah are seeking to impose their will on the country and possibly pull Lebanon into a conflict with Israel.

Earlier Thursday, schoolchildren handed out leaflets on the best route to Bint Jbeil, which carries special significance in Lebanon. The village was among the hardest-hit areas during the 2006 Israeli-Hezbollah war, and oil-rich Iran invested heavily in helping to rebuild it.

Days after Israel ended its two-decade occupation of south Lebanon in 2000, Hezbollah's leader gave a victory speech in Bint Jbeil in which he said Israel is "weaker than a spider's web" — a phrase that adorns a wall of the stadium along with photographs of weeping Israeli soldiers.

Bint Jbeil is dubbed "the capital of resistance" because it was a center for Hezbollah guerrilla action against Israel during the Jewish state's 18-year occupation of the south, which ended in 2000.

Ali Daboush, a 35-year-old Shiite who works in Saudi Arabia, said he traveled home to Lebanon just to see the Iranian leader.

"He liberated this land. It was thanks to him," Daboush told The Associated Press. "No Arab leader has done what he has done."

The Iranian leader was also visiting the village of Qana, where an Israeli airstrike in 2006 killed dozens. In 1996, Israeli artillery killed more than 100 Lebanese civilians in Qana.

Ahmadinejad's visit has underscored the eroding position of pro-Western factions in Lebanon. More broadly, it has suggested that the competition over influence in Lebanon may be tipping toward Iran and its ally Syria, away from the United States and it Arab allies Egypt and Saudi Arabia.

Ahmadinejad has sought to depict his country as an ally of all Lebanese, not just Hezbollah. But the strains have been clear.

The coalition of Western-backed parties in the government, known as the March 14 alliance, has warned that Ahmadinejad is seeking to transform Lebanon into "an Iranian base on the Mediterranean."

Mentions of Prime Minister Saad Hariri, who heads Lebanon's Western-backed coalition, were roundly booed during Ahmadinejad's speeches.

Washington has come out strongly against the visit. U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton reiterated American concerns about Iran's nuclear program and its "support of terrorism."

"So when the Iranian president goes to Lebanon, and we know that they are supporting financially and in every other way Hezbollah, which is on the border of Israel and the border of the Palestinian areas, then that is a volatile situation," she said in an interview aired Thursday on ABC.

Israeli government spokesman Mark Regev slammed the trip.

"Iran's domination of Lebanon through its proxy Hezbollah has destroyed any chance for peace, has turned Lebanon into an Iranian satellite and made Lebanon a hub for regional terror and instability," he said.

Residents in Avivim, an Israeli farming village that looks across the border at a makeshift stage and replica of the Dome of the Rock built in honor of Ahmadinejad, showed little interest in his visit.

Children played freely outside, and residents largely went about their daily business. On an Israeli road leading up to the border area, a few onlookers stopped their cars to snap pictures or peer through binoculars at the other side.

"We're not excited about his visit. We don't get alarmed about anything around here. Ahmadinejad is a big coward," said resident Rafi Peretz. "Why does he come only 300 meters (yards) from us? Why doesn't he come here?"

Despite the bravado, Israelis were clearly upset by the arrival of Ahmadinejad, a leader who has denied the Holocaust, called for Israel's destruction and who is the key backer of Israel's most bitter enemies.

"This is a strong provocation by the president of Iran that he bothers to come to southern Lebanon it shows how much he is in control here," said Shimon Biton, the head of the local town council.
 
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Sinsear

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I would shed not a tear if the Israeli helicopters had engaged.


I wonder if LemonLaw was there to cheer on his hero.
 

trenchfoot

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Yeah, I can just see Ahmadinejad standing at the Lebanese border with Israel with his thumbs stuck in his ears wiggling his fingers and blowing raspberries and making other such friendly diplomatic gestures at the Israeli's.

He should go to North Korea and exchange tips with the Kim's on how better to behave like little spoiled brats to get attention on themselves.
 
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JEDIYoda

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I would shed not a tear if the Israeli helicopters had engaged.


I wonder if LemonLaw was there to cheer on his hero.

I totally agree with you 100%.
But, I talked with my son the other day who is serving in the IDF and he told me the whole of israel was worried that somebody might on purpose take out Ahmadinejad, where it be a settler, or a Palestinian or some other group. If that were to happen the proverbial shit would have hit the fan in that region of the world!
It would not have mattered who took him out, Israel would have been blamed!
 
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I totally agree with you 100%.
But, I talked with my son the other day who is serving in the IDF and he told me the whole of israel was worried that somebody might on purpose take out Ahmadinejad, where it be a settler, or a Palestinian or some other group. If that were to happen the proverbial shit would have hit the fan in that region of the world!
It would not have mattered who took him out, Israel would have been blamed!

I don't agree.

A war between Israel and Iran would not be a good thing in my mind, it would engage Hamas and Hisbollah troops in a second and guerilla warfare is extremely hard to defeat, it would last for decades.

Sometimes you should just take aim and not fire, think about the situation at hand and how it would pan out....

My thoughts go to your son YediJoda and i wish him a safe return more than anything, it's not easy having a child in that position, i know.

Your son is a bright man, hell i'm not even related to him and i'm proud of his ability to see the bigger picture.
 

Lemon law

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From the link in the NYT, the Achmadinejad visit was well received in Lebanon, some 3 trade and water deals were completed, and Achmadinejad didn't bother to throw a symbolic stone into Israel.

Israel and the US state department may not be too thrilled, but Iranian influence and ties to Lebanon became stronger, and having those strong and friendly relations with all countries is in the foreign policy interests of both Iran and Lebanon.

Meanwhile all Israel does is bitch and moan about the Achmadinejad visit.

And instead of following the Iranian example of making friends with the nations surrounding it, Israel continues to insult its neighbors and ramp up mid-east tensions while doing nothing to solve the Palestinian issues. But at least there is no active state of warfare between Israel and Lebanon since 2006.

But Lebanon and Hezbollah are now far better armed to repel an Israeli invasion, and certainly are not planning any offensive operations against Israel.

So what is Israel worried about other than its lost any friendship with Turkey?

But all over the mid-east, every nation except Israel are engaging in strengthening diplomatic and trade ties with their neighbors.
 

bfdd

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LL, why the hell would Israel be mad that someone who wants the complete destruction of Israel visits their enemies and shows support for them? You are fucking stupid.
 

Lemon law

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LL, why the hell would Israel be mad that someone who wants the complete destruction of Israel visits their enemies and shows support for them? You are fucking stupid.
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You have to remember it was Israel who totally overkill raped Lebanon, Iran ponied up the money to help Lebanon repair the damage, and why should not they welcome Achmadinejad with open arms? Especially when three new deals were signed.

So what, so far Achmadinejad has called Israel all kinds of nasty names and Israel calls Iran all kinds of nasty names. But there is a certain thing to be said about peace coming from a strong national defense. Israeli military hegemony makes it almost immune from attack but Israel pees it pants if Lebanon has some defense capacity.

Why is Israel a sacred cow that no one can insult but you are quick to join in any Arab, Palestinians, or Iran bashing?

Maybe if Israel actually made some efforts at Annapolis to forge mid-east friendships there would be less Israeli bashing in the mid-east, but instead Israel wants to hang on to the West Bank, East Jerusalem, the Golan heights, and other territory more than they want peace or acceptance.

Israel can be angry all it wants, but there is nothing they can do about it when Iran helps Lebanon. But speaking of being 62 year stuck on Israeli stupid, does it ever occur to anyone in Israel that they too can forge a friendship with Lebanon, but that would actually costs actual effort and not empty words.
 
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Israel fucked up Lebanon because Lebanon fucked with Israel. Ahmadinejad hasn't just said nasty things about Israel, he has stated that he wants it wiped off the map. Very different than saying "your country sucks", but I don't expect you to get the difference.
 

Lemon law

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Israel fucked up Lebanon because Lebanon fucked with Israel. Ahmadinejad hasn't just said nasty things about Israel, he has stated that he wants it wiped off the map. Very different than saying "your country sucks", but I don't expect you to get the difference.
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Truth be told I think Achmadinejad is a motor mouth idiots, but he bought the soap box, and he gets to shoot off his mouth in Lebanon.

Methings you are still stuck on stupid bfdd, Israel has every opportunity in the world to help Lebanon with deeds and not words, and prove they are good neighbors for Lebanon.

But when everyone in Lebanon understands Israel sucks as the neighbor from hell, I don't expect you to understand that Israel earns the hatreds in its entire neighborhood.

Nor do I expect you to ever understand that Israel will never ever earn any acceptance in the mid-east by being the ahole neighbor from hell because might makes right.

While Iran makes friends, Israel is stuck on stupid in making enemies out of EVERYONE.

And you call Achmadinejad stupid?
 

bfdd

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Wait Israel is the neighbor from hell? I would think Lebanon is the neighbor from hell. Allowing their children to shit all over Israel's lawn constantly. Rofl LL at trying to place the blame on Israel for this. The Lebanese government doesn't even have full control over their nation and Hezbollah has done nothing but gain power in the region. Are you sure I'm the one stuck on stupid? You might be reading your own name wrong.
 

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Israel fucked up Lebanon because Lebanon fucked with Israel. Ahmadinejad hasn't just said nasty things about Israel, he has stated that he wants it wiped off the map. Very different than saying "your country sucks", but I don't expect you to get the difference.
It doesn't mean that the spoiled brats couldn't mend the wounds if they wanted to, and maybe they can become better friends after the hissyfit.

The American have done a lot more damage to Vietnam during the 30 years conflict than the little hissyfit that the Muslim & Jews ever done to each other since the inception of Israel to the present. And, now America & Vietnam are acting as adult and mended their differences that lead to the 123 nuclear deal between US & Vietnam last month (friends & enemies doesn't need to steal from each others, only dirty thief with no honor steals from their friends.)

Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer. Michael Corleone

An injured friend is the bitterest of foes. Thomas Jefferson
 
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It doesn't mean that the spoiled brats couldn't mend the wounds if they wanted to, and maybe they can become better friends after the hissyfit.

The American have done a lot more damage to Vietnam during the 30 years conflict than the little hissyfit that the Muslim & Jews ever done to each other since the inception of Israel to the present. And, now America & Vietnam are acting as adult and mended their differences that lead to the 123 nuclear deal between US & Vietnam last month (friends & enemies doesn't need to steal from each others, only dirty thief with no honor steals from their friends.)

Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer. Michael Corleone

An injured friend is the bitterest of foes. Thomas Jefferson

wait wait what? So if someone comes and spits in your eye and you break their fucking knees you're going to pay their medical bills? Yeah sure you are. No, fuck Lebanon and fuck Hezbollah. Please explain how Israel existing is enough to warrant the kind of problems they get. PS none of these countries have shit on Israel. Fact is every time they try they get their asses fucking kicked. I wouldn't help morons like that either.
 

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Israel fucked up Lebanon because Lebanon fucked with Israel. Ahmadinejad hasn't just said nasty things about Israel, he has stated that he wants it wiped off the map. Very different than saying "your country sucks", but I don't expect you to get the difference.

I'm trying to figure something out. Is bulldozing neighborhoods and olive groves considered wiping a nation off the map? Or does it not work like that?
 

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I would shed not a tear if the Israeli helicopters had engaged.


I wonder if LemonLaw was there to cheer on his hero.

Sinsear, so you are in support of unilateral action of an assissination of a civilian leader because of the "perceived" threat against the country, correct? I can now see how terrorism is openly supported by this particular AT user.
 

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I'm trying to figure something out. Is bulldozing neighborhoods and olive groves considered wiping a nation off the map? Or does it not work like that?

Throckmorton, I think the view from the other side is, if you just do it, you are a-ok. If you say it, you are evil and effed up.
 

Sinsear

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Sinsear, so you are in support of unilateral action of an assissination of a civilian leader because of the "perceived" threat against the country, correct? I can now see how terrorism is openly supported by this particular AT user.



You related to LemonLaw?