Just want to pitch in on this whole 30/60 fps being the minimum frame rate... kinda reminded me of the whole "ut2k3 runs so crap on my computer!!!" thing when it first came out.
Stop going "tut tut" at one another and think about how different people will want different frame rates to feel that everything is "smooth." I personally will not go for 30fps average in UT2k3, but 30fps was fine for me in Deus Ex. The former I play with a relatively high mouse sensitivity, which helps me to dodge-jump and aim at the same time better. But to still aim as well in other situations as I would with lower mouse sensitivity, I need to feel no stutter at all. And my personal experience is that stutters are more pronounced at high mouse sensitivity settings. Now, I'm not saying that you play with a low mouse sensitivity, but I'm just describing a personal experience of how 30fps affects me in ut2k3.
In Deus Ex/Thief/System Shock 2 (see a link there
), I'm fine with having a lower mouse sensitivity. I keep killing to a minimum in Thief, and in Deus Ex, I sneak around a fair bit too. I think I killed at least half of my enemies in DX using the Dragon's Tooth (for those who haven't played the game, it's essentially a sword). In those games, I don't need to dodge-jump everywhere and look around a lot in a short amount of time, unlike in a FFA in ut2k3.
In fact, 25fps in Morrowind was perfectly fine for me... at times it dropped below 20 (esp. where I stockpile extra items
) and that was still fine. I can feel that it wasn't perfectly "smooth", but I could still go and fight a daedra lord.
Well, enough ranting. I just want to make a case for people who are after high frame rates... they aren't necessarily "peeps" or "misinformed" or "bandwagon junkies" (I added that last one). Personally, if you can hit that 60fps, then you can turn up some graphical settings, and lose some fps, and see if it still feels smooth. Conversely, if you are on 30fps, and find that it isn't smooth, then start tweaking to see if you can get the fps up.
BoomAM, just want to point out that something like ut2k3 will not have a max fps of 30. But yes, some other games will be fine having that limit.
So, back to the actual topic... I'll say either the 5600Ultra or 9600Pro. Darkhorse27, about the "5800ultra sux ==> 5600 sucks" bit... the new 5600s are doing better, but I'm not sure which one the mobile version is based on. I'll probably lean towards the 9600Pro either way, but only just. I'll be happy with either one in a laptop.
I'm gonna get flamed, aren't I? Please be gentle.
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