ahhh, the good ol' 9th US Circuit of Appeals does it again

CPA

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Seeing as this is headed towards the US Supreme Court, any bets that the 9th Circuit will have their 28th decision reversed. They're what, 27 out of 29 in having decisions reversed?
 

Corn

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Just another example of the liberals shredding the constitution and taking away our freedoms. Ashcroft has got nothing on these nanny state fascists.
 

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Regardless of your feelings about the 9th Circus or the second amendment I don't think anyone would disagree that a ruling from the SC is needed about the 2nd Amendment.

Now if someone would get them to look at the War Powers and Patriot Acts . . .
 

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Originally posted by: Corn
Just another example of the liberals shredding the constitution and taking away our freedoms. Ashcroft has got nothing on these nanny state fascists.


If you don't like it, leave the country.
 

CPA

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Originally posted by: Vadatajs
Originally posted by: Corn
Just another example of the liberals shredding the constitution and taking away our freedoms. Ashcroft has got nothing on these nanny state fascists.


If you don't like it, leave the country.

touche!

 

Ilmater

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Originally posted by: Vadatajs
Originally posted by: Corn
Just another example of the liberals shredding the constitution and taking away our freedoms. Ashcroft has got nothing on these nanny state fascists.


If you don't like it, leave the country.
Ummm, how about we just stay out of California.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Ilmater
Originally posted by: Vadatajs
Originally posted by: Corn
Just another example of the liberals shredding the constitution and taking away our freedoms. Ashcroft has got nothing on these nanny state fascists.


If you don't like it, leave the country.
Ummm, how about we just stay out of California.

That would be nice. We already have to many Rubes from other states living here ruining it for us as it is.
 

Corn

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If you don't like it, leave the country.

Where would I go? It's easy to tell the pinko to go live in China if he hates our freedoms, but where is the freedom loving conservative male supposed to go where he would feel comfortable?:p
 

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Originally posted by: Corn
If you don't like it, leave the country.

Where would I go? It's easy to tell the pinko to go live in China if he hates our freedoms, but where is the freedom loving conservative male supposed to go where he would feel comfortable?:p

Iran.
 

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Originally posted by: Corn
If you don't like it, leave the country.

Where would I go? It's easy to tell the pinko to go live in China if he hates our freedoms, but where is the freedom loving conservative male supposed to go where he would feel comfortable?:p

Switzerland.
 

SuperTool

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Originally posted by: Corn

I guess you missed the two bolded words in the following quote:

....but where is the freedom loving conservative male supposed to go......

Iran doesn't quite work...but thanks for playing.

Freedom loving conservative is an oxymoron. You are free to do as you please, just so long as the religious right approves of it. Iran will do just fine.
 

Pers

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yeah - people in iran don't desire freedom. They like to be told what to do. and you are an example of the typical conservative moron who would believe anything his unelected president told him

In fact, iranians (like those diaper head arabs) like to be confined by dictators who (with the help of the U.S.) are in power without popular support.

oh yeah - and blowing up their homes and killing their families is exactly how they wish to achieve the same freedom you enjoy.


wow - some of you people prove why a democracy would fail. THank god we don't rely on democratic elections in the US.


edit: LEt's shove "freedom" (murder them) down the throat of Iraqi's while allowing Israel to take ALL FREEDOM away from those Palestinians who desperately seek it. Sometimes i get so frustrated with you "proud to be american" cheerleaders i want to rip my hair out.
 

Corn

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Switzerland.

Now you're talking. Switzerland is where it's at!

From a cultural perspective, Switzerland is truly unique. Although I prefer the German and Italian regions to the French. ;) Lugano, Interlaken, and Luzerne are some of my favorite places I've visited. I could easily see myself living there.
 

Corn

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They like to be told what to do. and you are an example of the typical conservative moron who would believe anything his unelected president told him

You are a fine example of the typical moron who put words into other people's mouths.

I have no doubt that an ever growing segment of the Iranian population want the same freedoms we enjoy, the reality is that they don't experience it yet.

You definately chose an appropriate icon for yourself.
 

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I'm almost positive you've never been to Iran, so i'm not going to even ask how you would know their situation.

Second: How much freedom do you enjoy when our president wasn't even really elected by a popular vote, instead selected by the Supreme Court.

Not that i'm much of a Gore fan, but i feel cheated. I have come to question my own voice in this grand old republic many fools mistake for a democracy.

How much freedom do you enjoy when your country initiates an illegal war, without anyone, but the president and his fellow cronies having a say in it?

Radical Islam is painted in colors of destruction and murder. I have realized that Radical Christianity is far worse, as it has more might than Islam can ever wish for at this time. The turmoil in the world is stirred by the leader of the free world, and it is his responsibility to achieve peace with the actions he takes. You cannot expect americans to be tolerated around the world when they engage in wars the rest of the world did not want to happen. Your freedom isn't hated you moron. It's your aggressive behaivor, your hypocrisy, your greed, your vengefulness, your ignorance, your lack of sensitivity... Your freedom is as much an illusion to them, as their's is to you.
 

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Second: How much freedom do you enjoy when our president wasn't even really elected by a popular vote, instead selected by the Supreme Court.
The President was elected IAW the laws of this country. Get over it.

I have come to question my own voice in this grand old republic many fools mistake for a democracy.
Your posts pretty clearly depict who the fool is.

How much freedom do you enjoy when your country initiates an illegal war, without anyone, but the president and his fellow cronies having a say in it?
There was nothing illegal about the war and I guess the Congress is part of the "cronies". The rest of your post is even less worthy of a response as hard to believe as that it is.

 

Corn

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I'm almost positive you've never been to Iran, so i'm not going to even ask how you would know their situation.

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This, and the ever growing demonstrators for constitutional reform in Iran are simply a figment of my imagination.

How much freedom do you enjoy when our president wasn't even really elected by a popular vote, instead selected by the Supreme Court.

How much freedom do Iranians enjoy when their elected president has no power over the theocracy?

News flash for the ape, neither now, nor ever, has the President been elected by popular vote. Your ignorance of how our leaders are elected is not suprising given your belief that people in Iran are free--unless of course they happen to be accused of insulting Islam.
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Radical Islam is painted in colors of destruction and murder. I have realized that Radical Christianity is far worse, as it has more might than Islam can ever wish for at this time. The turmoil in the world is stirred by the leader of the free world, and it is his responsibility to achieve peace with the actions he takes. You cannot expect americans to be tolerated around the world when they engage in wars the rest of the world did not want to happen. Your freedom isn't hated you moron. It's your aggressive behaivor, your hypocrisy, your greed, your vengefulness, your ignorance, your lack of sensitivity... Your freedom is as much an illusion to them, as their's is to you.

Lots of BS, little substance. Go figure.
 

Pers

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i never said Iranians were entirely free. But don't claim to understand their hardships, and pretend you're concerned for them.

And almost EVERY president has been elected by the popular vote - only a couple times has the electoral vote gone to the candidate with fewer popular votes.

And for this president in particular - he got neither :D

And it's easy for you to say my posts have no substance as i feel the same about yours.

 

Corn

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But don't claim to understand their hardships, and pretend you're concerned for them.

What kind of nonsense is this? I never said I did "understand" completly their hardships, nor did I voice concern for them. Not only are you a moron, but you're also a liar! Why would I be "concerned" for a people who asked to be ruled by a theocracy? They've gotten exactly what they wanted!

You're anger is misplaced you ignorant fool. You should be pissed at SuperTool for the Iranian comparison to christian fundamentalism, not me.

Freedom Loving conservative != Christian fundamentalist.....except, of course, to closed minded bigots like SuperTool. He can wallow in his ignorance, it fits him like a glove.
 

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Originally posted by: Corn
But don't claim to understand their hardships, and pretend you're concerned for them.
Freedom Loving conservative != Christian fundamentalist.....except, of course, to closed minded bigots like SuperTool. He can wallow in his ignorance, it fits him like a glove.

I couldn't agree more with this sentiment.

As a non-theist whose Libertarian leanings put 80% of his views in agreement with the Republican party, I'm often classified as a "Right Wing Christian Fundamentalist Neo Conservative," despite the fact I'm pro-gay, pro-choice, and pro-drug.

Most of the so-called "conservatives" I associate with share a diverse set of views that defy the label "Neo con" or "fundamentalist."

I would suggest to all of you that before you try to shove someone into category just because of one of their beliefs tends to be that of one of the larger two parties, you ask yourself whether one belief of many constitutes qualification for that label.
 

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Originally posted by: Corn
But don't claim to understand their hardships, and pretend you're concerned for them.

What kind of nonsense is this? I never said I did "understand" completly their hardships, nor did I voice concern for them. Not only are you a moron, but you're also a liar! Why would I be "concerned" for a people who asked to be ruled by a theocracy? They've gotten exactly what they wanted!

You're anger is misplaced you ignorant fool. You should be pissed at SuperTool for the Iranian comparison to christian fundamentalism, not me.

Freedom Loving conservative != Christian fundamentalist.....except, of course, to closed minded bigots like SuperTool. He can wallow in his ignorance, it fits him like a glove.

"Operation Iraqi Freedom"

that's all that's needed to be said.

And about the last part, i REALLY must be a moron. I don't understand what freedom loving means. Care to elaborate? I always thought EVERYONE liked to be free. It seems to me that most conservatives believe the rest of the world doesn't care for freedoms such as speech, religion and whatnot. THe only freedom conservatives really care for in reality is economic freedom. And that's just to relieve them of the responsibility of taking care of the lower class citizens(what they fail to realize is without the well-being of the lower class, they'd be eating sh!t themselves). All you conservatives care about is ECONOMIC freedom. You still attempt to instill your SOCIAL values on the rest of us (your imagined better sense of morals and all that holier than thou nonsense).

and Supertool is hardly the bigot. the only closed-minded bigot is yourself who repeats rhetoric heard from fellow conservatives which fail to make any logical sense.
 

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Originally posted by: MachFive
Originally posted by: Corn
But don't claim to understand their hardships, and pretend you're concerned for them.
Freedom Loving conservative != Christian fundamentalist.....except, of course, to closed minded bigots like SuperTool. He can wallow in his ignorance, it fits him like a glove.

I couldn't agree more with this sentiment.

As a non-theist whose Libertarian leanings put 80% of his views in agreement with the Republican party, I'm often classified as a "Right Wing Christian Fundamentalist Neo Conservative," despite the fact I'm pro-gay, pro-choice, and pro-drug.

Most of the so-called "conservatives" I associate with share a diverse set of views that defy the label "Neo con" or "fundamentalist."

I would suggest to all of you that before you try to shove someone into category just because of one of their beliefs tends to be that of one of the larger two parties, you ask yourself whether one belief of many constitutes qualification for that label.


How about you do the same for the Arab community before you go into their COUNTRIES bombing them, for what turns out to be mere speculation rooted from obvious racism.

Until then, do the rest of us a favor and shut up. No one likes hearing a bunch of over-privileged snobs complain anyway.
 

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Originally posted by: MachFive
Originally posted by: Corn
But don't claim to understand their hardships, and pretend you're concerned for them.
Freedom Loving conservative != Christian fundamentalist.....except, of course, to closed minded bigots like SuperTool. He can wallow in his ignorance, it fits him like a glove.

I couldn't agree more with this sentiment.

As a non-theist whose Libertarian leanings put 80% of his views in agreement with the Republican party, I'm often classified as a "Right Wing Christian Fundamentalist Neo Conservative," despite the fact I'm pro-gay, pro-choice, and pro-drug.

Most of the so-called "conservatives" I associate with share a diverse set of views that defy the label "Neo con" or "fundamentalist."

I would suggest to all of you that before you try to shove someone into category just because of one of their beliefs tends to be that of one of the larger two parties, you ask yourself whether one belief of many constitutes qualification for that label.

That is certainly true but who has the power and who has the positions of leadership within the Republican party? The neo-cons and fundys. And they are always pandering to thier base of neo-cons and fundys, leaving libertarians like yourself without much say in policy.
 

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Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet
Second: How much freedom do you enjoy when our president wasn't even really elected by a popular vote, instead selected by the Supreme Court.
The President was elected IAW the laws of this country. Get over it.

I have come to question my own voice in this grand old republic many fools mistake for a democracy.
Your posts pretty clearly depict who the fool is.

How much freedom do you enjoy when your country initiates an illegal war, without anyone, but the president and his fellow cronies having a say in it?
There was nothing illegal about the war and I guess the Congress is part of the "cronies". The rest of your post is even less worthy of a response as hard to believe as that it is.

... ownzed.