AHH Help I don't know the answer, tech advise please

[MrWizzard]

With this MOBO

And this processor LINK

Is there any advantage to getting anything faster that ddr2 400, if the processor I am running is only 800 MHZ bus. Will that hold the ram back if I get lets say DDR2 533?

The mobo can do a 800MHZ or 1066MHZ bus, but will the processor make the bus go to 800mhz so the 533mhz ram will only run at 400Mhz.

Did my question even make sense?

Help Please, Thanks

 

[the cobbler]

yes, they'll work together

but in that price range, why a P4D?

You might look into AM2 X2 3800+ ~ $290, and Biostar TForce 550 mobo ~$85

 

[MrWizzard]

Thanks


Well, I build AMDs with my gaming machines; I stick with Intel?s for my server solutions. I know AMD are faster. But stability wise, Intel has always won. I have had some bad problems with AMD's and stability. AMD are good they just require higher quality parts, seems like there is less fault tolerance or something.

 

[Noubourne]

Dual core Prescott for "stability"?

What are you trying to cook? Eggs, toast, a pot roast perhaps?

An Opteron platform will blow a P4 out of the water for a server. And for much less money. If you get a good motherboard for it, it will be just as stable as a P4 rig. Athlons have been just as stable as Pentiums since they started doing their memory controller on-die. I stopped buying VIA long before they did that, but it's pretty clear it was the mobo manufacturers putzing with the memory timings/tweaking to beat each other in benches that accounted for most AMD platform instability. Look at their 6XXX chipset pre-memory controller era; ROCK SOLID STABLE - everyone wondered why no one else could do that for Athlon - benchmarks, that's why.

Also, Abit mobos aren't necessarily known for stability so much as they're known for OVERCLOCKING. And afaik their best engineer defected to DFI (Oskar Wu). So I fail to see why that would be your choice in a server. You'd think you'd stick to a stock Intel mobo with few if any alternate options and modest timings to start with.

 

[stevty2889]

Originally posted by: MrWizzard
With this MOBO

And this processor LINK

Is there any advantage to getting anything faster that ddr2 400, if the processor I am running is only 800 MHZ bus. Will that hold the ram back if I get lets say DDR2 533?

The mobo can do a 800MHZ or 1066MHZ bus, but will the processor make the bus go to 800mhz so the 533mhz ram will only run at 400Mhz.

Did my question even make sense?

Help Please, Thanks

They will work together, but don't get the 8xx series, they run very hot, if you are going to stick wti hthe pentium-D, get the 9xx series. DDR-2 has higher latency, so you want at least ddr-2 533mhz, or better DDR-2 667, as netburst chips are very bandwidth hungry. There are ram dividers, the ram will be able to run at it's correct speed, it's not going to be limited to 400mhz. DDR-2 is actualy quad pumped, so 400mhz DDR-2 runs at 100mhz, 533 runs at 133mhz, and 667 runs at 166mhz.

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: Noubourne
Dual core Prescott for "stability"?

What are you trying to cook? Eggs, toast, a pot roast perhaps?

An Opteron platform will blow a P4 out of the water for a server. And for much less money. If you get a good motherboard for it, it will be just as stable as a P4 rig. Athlons have been just as stable as Pentiums since they started doing their memory controller on-die. I stopped buying VIA long before they did that, but it's pretty clear it was the mobo manufacturers putzing with the memory timings/tweaking to beat each other in benches that accounted for most AMD platform instability. Look at their 6XXX chipset pre-memory controller era; ROCK SOLID STABLE - everyone wondered why no one else could do that for Athlon - benchmarks, that's why.

Also, Abit mobos aren't necessarily known for stability so much as they're known for OVERCLOCKING. And afaik their best engineer defected to DFI (Oskar Wu). So I fail to see why that would be your choice in a server. You'd think you'd stick to a stock Intel mobo with few if any alternate options and modest timings to start with.

That's exactly what he said... he doesn't want to buy a high end motherboard to get stability. That's the only problem with getting an AMD processor... if nVidia, Via, or ULi screws up, it's AMD's problem too. Intel makes their own chipsets... it's easy for them to make them work perfectly with their processors.

 

[Zap]

Originally posted by: the cobbler
but in that price range, why a P4D?

How about waiting around 2 months? July 23rd, Intel is having a price cut that will have the Pentium D 940 at a quantity price of $133. If AMD doesn't cut prices to match, will be tough to not consider buying 65nm Netburst.

 

[Captante]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

Originally posted by: Noubourne
Dual core Prescott for "stability"?

What are you trying to cook? Eggs, toast, a pot roast perhaps?

An Opteron platform will blow a P4 out of the water for a server. And for much less money. If you get a good motherboard for it, it will be just as stable as a P4 rig. Athlons have been just as stable as Pentiums since they started doing their memory controller on-die. I stopped buying VIA long before they did that, but it's pretty clear it was the mobo manufacturers putzing with the memory timings/tweaking to beat each other in benches that accounted for most AMD platform instability. Look at their 6XXX chipset pre-memory controller era; ROCK SOLID STABLE - everyone wondered why no one else could do that for Athlon - benchmarks, that's why.

Also, Abit mobos aren't necessarily known for stability so much as they're known for OVERCLOCKING. And afaik their best engineer defected to DFI (Oskar Wu). So I fail to see why that would be your choice in a server. You'd think you'd stick to a stock Intel mobo with few if any alternate options and modest timings to start with.

That's exactly what he said... he doesn't want to buy a high end motherboard to get stability. That's the only problem with getting an AMD processor... if nVidia, Via, or ULi screws up, it's AMD's problem too. Intel makes their own chipsets... it's easy for them to make them work perfectly with their processors.

My Opteron 170 is rock-solid up to 2.6ghz (although I run @ 2.4) on a $90 Asus A8N-E & if I wanted hardcore overclocking, I could have had a DFI for $19 more... so much for needing a high-end MB to overclock with stability.

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: Captante

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

Originally posted by: Noubourne
Dual core Prescott for "stability"?

What are you trying to cook? Eggs, toast, a pot roast perhaps?

An Opteron platform will blow a P4 out of the water for a server. And for much less money. If you get a good motherboard for it, it will be just as stable as a P4 rig. Athlons have been just as stable as Pentiums since they started doing their memory controller on-die. I stopped buying VIA long before they did that, but it's pretty clear it was the mobo manufacturers putzing with the memory timings/tweaking to beat each other in benches that accounted for most AMD platform instability. Look at their 6XXX chipset pre-memory controller era; ROCK SOLID STABLE - everyone wondered why no one else could do that for Athlon - benchmarks, that's why.

Also, Abit mobos aren't necessarily known for stability so much as they're known for OVERCLOCKING. And afaik their best engineer defected to DFI (Oskar Wu). So I fail to see why that would be your choice in a server. You'd think you'd stick to a stock Intel mobo with few if any alternate options and modest timings to start with.

That's exactly what he said... he doesn't want to buy a high end motherboard to get stability. That's the only problem with getting an AMD processor... if nVidia, Via, or ULi screws up, it's AMD's problem too. Intel makes their own chipsets... it's easy for them to make them work perfectly with their processors.

My Opteron 170 is rock-solid up to 2.6ghz (although I run @ 2.4) on a $90 Asus A8N-E & if I wanted hardcore overclocking, I could have had a DFI for $19 more... so much for needing a high-end MB to overclock with stability.

You != all.

*EDIT* Translation... the fact that YOU don't have a problem doesn't exclude anyone else in the entire world from having a problem... in fact, it doesn't even exclude the majority of everyone else in the world from having a problem. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying you may be an exception, not the rule.

**EDIT** In addition... we don't know what kind of user you are. If you're a normal user like myself, even if there were minor errors popping up, you may not notice. On the other hand, if your task involves sensitive data that could cost a company millions of dollars if lost or corrupted, I highly doubt you'd be using a $90 motherboard and overclocking your processor.