Ah, the Joy of ChickenHawks (conservatives who wussed out of military service.. u know, cuz of my ingrown butthair ;) )

[Pooteh]

well since conservatives like to base peoples character on whether they have served or not...


The Chicken Hawk Database


the wonderful world of hipocrisy



Consider Washington's two most prominent superhawks: Paul Wolfowitz (Rumsfeld's deputy) and his adviser Richard Perle. Who's Who in America is curiously vague about their precise whereabouts in the late 1960s, though it is fairly clear where they were not. As the shrewd and sceptical Republican senator Chuck Hagel said last week: "Maybe Mr Perle would like to be in the first wave of those who go into Baghdad."

The two Democrat leaders in Congress, Dick Gephardt and Tom Daschle, served; their Republican counterparts, Trent Lott and Dick Armey, did not. Tom DeLay, the most powerful hawk in the House of Representatives, missed Vietnam too: he was working as a pest exterminator. Reportedly, he once complained that he would have served; but, he said, all the places were taken up by ethnic minorities.

There are similar stories about almost every other prominent rightwing Republican of recent vintage. Newt Gingrich, ex-Speaker of the House, went the Cheney route; Kenneth Starr, Clinton's legal nemesis, had psoriasis; Jack Kemp, Dole's running mate in 1996, was unfit because of a knee injury, though he heroically continued as a National Football League quarterback for another eight years; Pat Buchanan had arthritis in his knees, though he soon became an avid jogger.

The best story concerns Rush Limbaugh, the ferociously bellicose radio personality, who allegedly had either "anal cysts" or an "ingrown hair follicle on his bottom". It is not my custom to mock others' ailments, but anyone who has listened to Limbaugh's programme can imagine the dripping scorn he would bring to the revelation that a prominent Democrat had skipped a war over something like that. Also, in his case, a pain in the arse is peculiarly appropriate.

Admission: I did not serve in Vietnam either. My country was not there, and did not ask me, or anyone else. Like those named above, I was unenthusiastic about that war. Unlike most of them, I am profoundly alarmed about the one now being plotted.



an article on it



Military service isn't a prerequisite for advocacy of military action, but those who haven't served ought to temper their enthusiasm for shedding other people's blood, if only as a matter of civic etiquette. Warrior pundits might also think carefully before they slur combat veterans who dare to dissent from the war-making mindset.
http://www.salon.com/politics/conason/2002/08/20/bush/index.html


remember this the next time you hear them whine about "liberals"

 

[MichaelD]

Interesting. In certain, um, major cities with large populations of "alternative lifestyle" people, "ChickenHawk" means something very different than the usage displayed here. :Q

 

[Angrymarshmello]

Least they had excuses unlike a certain someone who ran to Canada

 

[Pooteh]

you have to remember lame excuses only work if you have parents or parents friends in high places

they didn't have to run to canada, they just ran to daddy

 

[glenn1]

Ah, the Joy of ChickenHawks (conservatives who wussed out of military service.. u know, cuz of my ingrown butthair )

IMHO, the military was not diminished much by their absence. I'm no longer in the military, but if i were, i think i can safely say that i would not be thrilled to see the folks on that list assigned to my squad. Sorry, but the words Steve Forbes and infantryman no more belong together than would Rosanne Barr and sex symbol. I must admit, however, i could easily see Rush Limbaugh reliving the role of Gomer Pyle from Full Metal Jacket.

 

[IGBT]

Bernie Ward (tub-a-losco) uses the term "chicken hawk" to describe conservatives who one way or another got out of military service. No doubt there's a bunch of dem's as well...

 

[spanky]

what does ingrown butthair have to do with anything?

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Originally posted by: spankyOO7
what does ingrown butthair have to do with anything?

The best story concerns Rush Limbaugh, the ferociously bellicose radio personality, who allegedly had either "anal cysts" or an "ingrown hair follicle on his bottom".

Try reading the stuff he quotes next time.

 

[Aquaman]

I always thought a chicken hawk was a term for older guys who like younger men :Q Kind of like a cougar.

Cheers,
Aquaman

 

[Linflas]

One of the reasons the Vietnam war lost popular support at home was for this very reason. It was very easy for middle class kids to evade service by entering college or developing some type of medical/mental problem that made them 4F status for the draft. It ended up being perceived as the "poor mans war" by the populace.

 

[UltraQuiet]

A quick count shows 25 Republican and 17 Democrat Senators have served and 83 Republican and 53 Democrat Representatives have served in the military. Many of them still serve in the reserves.

 

[Linflas]

Originally posted by: DaveSohmer
A quick count shows 25 Republican and 17 Democrat Senators have served and 83 Republican and 53 Democrat Representatives have served in the military. Many of them still serve in the reserves.

You just had to go and ruin yet another conservative bashing thread with facts.

 

[Sketcher]

Originally posted by: Linflas

Originally posted by: DaveSohmer
A quick count shows 25 Republican and 17 Democrat Senators have served and 83 Republican and 53 Democrat Representatives have served in the military. Many of them still serve in the reserves.

You just had to go and ruin yet another conservative bashing thread with facts.

Heh heh

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Dave's facts have little to do with point being made . . . George W. Bush (his father served), Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Tom DeLay, and Rush would go into Iraq guns blazing. But all conveniently missed Vietnam. Dick Armey didn't serve but he doesn't endorse the war posture (and he's not running for re-election). I have great respect for those that served regardless of their political stripe. I have no respect for people that are eager to solve conflicts with weapons but lack the courage to risk their own lives.

And with all due respect to Dave . . . 10 Dems 3 GOP

Mikulski MD
Feinstein CA
Boxer CA
Murray WA
Cantwell WA
Landrieu LA
Lincoln AR
Clinton NY
Stabenow MI
Carnahan MO (I kinda wish Ashcroft had won)

vs

Collins ME
Snowe ME
Hutchison TX

For the thoughtful this is not a conservative bashing thread. It's a put up or shut up thread. And most of the administration needs to listen to Powell not the ChickenHawks.

 

[UltraQuiet]

I finally get a chance to expand my post and BBD steals my thunder. The list I presented does not really address the topic but the last statement of the original post. If you are stupid enough to break this down along party lines then the GOP does have more room to bitch. Whoop dee fuckin' do. Who cares. There is no one alive that wishes more than me that Rush didn't purport to speak for the conservatives in this country.

BBD your list is just proof of what I have been telling my wife for years. Most women just aren't smart enough to be Republicans.

 

[CPA]

So what if no republicans or democrats had served? Does that mean we should never be in a war? That doesn't make sense. Clinton never served, but he sent troops into Bosnia. Should his lack of service disqualified him from making that decision?

 

[Platypus]

God who cares, both sides suck, there is everyone happy now?

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

My bad Dave.

BBD your list is just proof of what I have been telling my wife for years. Most women just aren't smart enough to be Republicans.

That's harsh . . .

Mikulski MD (MSW . . . another social worker taming the alcoholics, drug addicts and malcontents that occupy Congress . . . umm MD.
Feinstein CA (Stanford grad so she's more snob than smart)
Boxer CA (Brooklyn College grad living in Pac Heights off husband's cash)
Murray WA (BS Washington State not sure about kids)
Cantwell WA (BA but cashed in on RealNetworks)
Landrieu LA (BA and children)
Lincoln AR (BA and children)
Clinton NY (Vader as a woman plus child plus picked a hick from AR as a future president . . . that's talent . . . masochistic but talented)
Stabenow MI (magna cum laude MSW plus children)
Carnahan MO (I kinda wish Ashcroft had won) (BA plus children)

vs

Collins ME (BA St. Lawrence U and children)
Snowe ME (BA University of Maine-Orono and children)
Hutchison TX (JD UT-Austin . . . same school told GWB to look elsewhere)

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

So what if no republicans or democrats had served? Does that mean we should never be in a war? That doesn't make sense. Clinton never served, but he sent troops into Bosnia. Should his lack of service disqualified him from making that decision?

Republicans and Democrats did not serve our country. Brave men (and some women) have and continue to serve our country in the armed forces. They are US citizens defending our nation and our ideals (hopefully). I respect the politicians that consider their service a duty. I respect people like McCain, Cleland, and Inoyue. I don't know what Daschle and Gephardt did during the war but apparently they were at least close. Bob Kerrey has a Congressional Medal of Honor . . . apparently for killing civilians. While John Kerry earned the Silver Star, Bronze Star, three Purple Hearts, Navy Unit Commendation, and a Presidential Citation. People with military service should be at the highest levels of government to provide perspective for those who would wield the power to kill as just another arrow in the quiver.

Clinton sent troops to Bosnia b/c other options were exhausted and ultimate stability in the region probably required a US presence. The Constitution allows him the discretion to take such action. War requires an act of Congress. The executive may desire such action and should certainly consult his trusted advisors but at least a few in that group need to be people with experience. Bureaucrat doesn't count and that's pretty much all of the Bush administration.

GOP fodder on Dem military records
Al Gore, a senator's son, served as a military journalist in Vietnam. I'm not too sure just what a military journalist does, but Al was one. The normal Vietnam tour was 12 months but Al went home after only three months of perilous top-secret photo ops.

While Gore obviously avoided the frontlines due to his bloodlines . . . you got to respect the man for going. The VC weren't using paintballs. Clinton's bob-and-weave moves put modern heavyweights to shame. He's got all the skills including a good clutch . . . usually both sides . . . just past the ears . . . US Wars Produce PresidentsMembers of 106th Congress with military service

I apologize for the imagery . . . certainly inappropriate for public consumption. Then again if you got it you probably have a naughty mind anyway.:Q

 

[UltraQuiet]

That's harsh . .

It was also a joke.

Just as a point of fact, the mission that Kerrey was awarded the MOH was not the same mission where the civilians were killed. That mission happened about three weeks earlier.

 

[Pooteh]

Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1

Originally posted by: spankyOO7
what does ingrown butthair have to do with anything?

The best story concerns Rush Limbaugh, the ferociously bellicose radio personality, who allegedly had either "anal cysts" or an "ingrown hair follicle on his bottom".

Try reading the stuff he quotes next time.

hehe bold quote at that too

You just had to go and ruin yet another conservative bashing thread with facts.

actually he did nothing. the thread is about chicken hawks. people that love to send others to war when they themselves wussed out at every chance. these are the people that bash others for doing just what they themselves have done. They call others on character issues when they themselves have none. calling others "unamerican" should never be done by some people.


just look at your numbers. how many senators are there total? how many have served. how many house reps are there total, how many have served. your numbers are nothing.

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc

Republicans and Democrats did not serve our country. Brave men (and some women) have and continue to serve our country in the armed forces. They are US citizens defending our nation and our ideals (hopefully). I respect the politicians that consider their service a duty. I respect people like McCain, Cleland, and Inoyue. I don't know what Daschle and Gephardt did during the war but apparently they were at least close. Bob Kerrey has a Congressional Medal of Honor . . . apparently for killing civilians. While John Kerry earned the Silver Star, Bronze Star, three Purple Hearts, Navy Unit Commendation, and a Presidential Citation. People with military service should be at the highest levels of government to provide perspective for those who would wield the power to kill as just another arrow in the quiver.

Can't agree with your last sentence, military service should not be a prerequisite. If so, then you would have a situation similar to Isreal, where everyone has to serve in the military for two years.

I also respect anyone who serves, but we, by our election of them, put the power into the politician's hands, full well knowing that they may use it at some point.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

It was also a joke.

Of course it was Dave.

Just as a point of fact, the mission that Kerrey was awarded the MOH was not the same mission where the civilians were killed. That mission happened about three weeks earlier.

I stand corrected. Senator Kerrey earned the Medal of Honor for great service to his country . . . but I would still give him an asterik.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Can't agree with your last sentence, military service should not be a prerequisite. If so, then you would have a situation similar to Isreal, where everyone has to serve in the military for two years.

I was wondering if someone would read my statement in that fashion. Let me clarify, I'm not endorsing a Starship Troopers-type of government. Civilians direct the military and it should always be that way. But civilians with negligible experience (Bush) who surround themselves with others of negligible experience (Cheney and the posse) are inherently dangerous to the stability of our country and the world.

If the lone dissenting voice in the Cabinet is Powell it shouldn't be surprising since just about everybody was recycled from GHWB. Powell has been there, done that. Now a bunch of panty waists (granted Rice should be wearing them) are trying to earn some stripes on the backs of American troops. These people show the forethought of checkers but the real world is more like chess.

Bush was not elected for his business accumen, uncommon intellect, or compassion. He had more money than McCain, he was governor of the 2nd most populous state (where the governor does next to nothing), and his last name was Bush. His eventual opponent had multiple personalities and had not resided in his home state in two decades. Bush would probably win the election outright today. But if people truly believed that we needed an immediate Commander-in-Chief during Decision 2000, Bush would be in Austin with occasional trips to Crawford to do some work. In the absence of Powell and Cheney a decided majority would not have faith in GWB's foreign policy qualifications.

 

[HomeBrewerDude]

good post...


Chickenhawks is a play on the term Warhawks