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AGP video cards for giveaway/cheap sale? :P

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RSI

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I have the ECS K7S5A mobo, and all my components including my video card are PCI. UNFORTUNATELY I made an uninformed purchase of the SBLive Value. Total POS. Gobbles up resources on the PCI bus like all hell broke loose! Which is utterly ridiculous. My SB16 back in the day performed 100% no matter what ISA components I had, never had a problem. Now, if I'm playing a MP3 and I have a few IEs open, every time I click on the IE you hear an annoying glitch. It happens with a lot of other things too. I'm sorry but I CAN NOT listen to music with all these annoying glitches and things in it! It's sick. At first I suspected a bad mp3, then I verified that wasn't so - and then suspected the speakers - which were brand new. They've also been eliminated. The most probably cause is that due to using the modem, NIC, video card and sound card on the same bus, it can't handle it. Wow, pci is *So* much better than ISA! Not. They should have kept ISA for sound cards and modems. All the fastest modems I've used and seen have been either ISA OR EXTERNAL. I've seen no PCI modem that was as good as an ISA one, regardless of it being a hardware or software based modem.

Anyway, here's what I need to know. Replacing the Banshee with an AGP card, would that solve anything? Would my sound still fux0r up? Should I consider a different sound card? I really don't have a cent on me right now. I do have a job but I don't know when I will actually start working and have EXTRA money to waste on the computer.

Does anybody give away AGP video cards that would blast (or at least equal) the banshee? 😉 Probably not, but I figured I'd give mooching one last shot (hey it worked so often! hehe). Secondly, should I bother trying to replace the banshee? It really has never caused a single problem and has always been great, for the 3-4 years I've had it.. wow, that long already? Anyway, I don't play lots of games, but just this week I tried Q3 and it lagged way more than I suspected, way more than I remember it lagging when I had the K6-3. Surprising but at the same time if I think logically it makes sense - if the PCI bus is overwhelmed, what should I expect.

If I get an AGP card. Should I look for something cheap? Cheapo $70 MX? Pitch in a few extra bucks for a Radeon LE? Good Radeon drivers for 2K yet? I don't have any money, so I don't know if I should wait and do that, or look for a sound card that would perform better, cause I really don't care much for faster video yet. Not needed, I can run Winbloze at any res I like without any lag problems, so really I want to solve the sound, not the video.

Anybody have any suggestions?

I'm open to PM or email any time and I check quite regularly so if you have any words you can contact me quite easily.

Thanks in advance for any thoughtful input.

-RSI
 
One other thing.

Say I would go for a new AGP card. Radeon LE VS GF2 MX? Radeon has DDR, GF2 MX has SDR. GF2 is 128 bit and Radeon is 64 bit apparently. Which card is the BETTER CHOICE?

-RSI
 


<< For the love of god, don't get a Raedon. Get a gf2mx 32 meg sdr. That would do nicely 😉 >>



Frankly, the Radeon is a much better card.
Definetely better visual quality, and the speed difference is negligable.
In fact, I wish I still had my 64mb Radeon over my 32mb GF2. I thought it would be an upgrade to get the GF2, I was wrong 🙁
 


<< Anyone OTHER than Dave have something to say?

-RSI >>



I think this thread is going to be locked. There, I said something...
 


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<< For the love of god, don't get a Raedon. Get a gf2mx 32 meg sdr. That would do nicely 😉 >>



Frankly, the Radeon is a much better card.
Definetely better visual quality, and the speed difference is negligable.
In fact, I wish I still had my 64mb Radeon over my 32mb GF2. I thought it would be an upgrade to get the GF2, I was wrong 🙁 >>



You forgot about DRIVERS.
 


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<< For the love of god, don't get a Raedon. Get a gf2mx 32 meg sdr. That would do nicely 😉 >>



Frankly, the Radeon is a much better card.
Definetely better visual quality, and the speed difference is negligable.
In fact, I wish I still had my 64mb Radeon over my 32mb GF2. I thought it would be an upgrade to get the GF2, I was wrong 🙁 >>



You forgot about DRIVERS. >>


exactly, the card may be "decent", but the drivers blow goats 😉
 
OK, one side says Radeon sucks and GF2MX rules. The other side is exactly the opposite.

So how do I know what to do?

-RSI
 
hmm...i ALWAYS listen to mp3 when surfing the web and am usually d/l things and u/l things on kazaa at the same time with no sound glitches at all. Guess i been luck with my live cuz no problems at all.

edit: btw i got a radeon too 🙂

double edit: my radeon is LE and geforcemx is NO comparison on speed. (visual quality not too much diff)

 
How do you think all these divices would work on ISA. Im don't exactaly remember how ISA works, does it use a bus like PCI?
But I don't see how it could be better than PCI. I definatly disagree that no PCI modem is as good as an ISA one. Many if not most are, but if you actually want a good one, you can get it. But I think people have relized they don't need a 100-150 dollor modom now that winmodems are reliable and CPUs are fast enough to use them with very little slowdown.
 


<< How do you think all these divices would work on ISA. Im don't exactaly remember how ISA works, does it use a bus like PCI?
But I don't see how it could be better than PCI. I definatly disagree that no PCI modem is as good as an ISA one. Many if not most are, but if you actually want a good one, you can get it. But I think people have relized they don't need a 100-150 dollor modom now that winmodems are reliable and CPUs are fast enough to use them with very little slowdown. >>



Yep, isa is a bus like PCI, the actual pci bus is WAY better than isa, but i agree with rsi, isa modems are better than any pci modem out there.
 
Well when I had my SB Live Value in my comp (I have a intel pro100+ nic, diamond fireport 40 dually SCSI card, now a rhythmic edge), I never had any trouble with it in either win2k or winme....

Also with my Radeon, I never had any trouble in games at all, CS, CMR2, etc etc.
 


<< Well when I had my SB Live Value in my comp (I have a intel pro100+ nic, diamond fireport 40 dually SCSI card, now a rhythmic edge), I never had any trouble with it in either win2k or winme....

Also with my Radeon, I never had any trouble in games at all, CS, CMR2, etc etc. >>



I bet you were using an Intel chispet though 😉
 
personally i think it comes down to one of two things, either
A) money (what can you afford, if you can afford either that's not a real issue)
B) what do you prefer, speed or image quality?

I'd go with a radeon myself, I have become an ati fanboy after my gf2 pro died and I picked up an all in wonder 128 as a temporary replacement.
 
Just an fyi ( cuz i have no idea why people have so many live problems) My sblive been in three diff systems all with via chipset. Currently in my asus a7pro sys.
 
ISA modems are better. And I think all the ISA peripherals in general were designed better, they didn't hog resources. When you connect to the net with a hardware ISA modem, does your mouse pause for even a fraction of a microsecond? Nope. Not at all. No lag, no MP3 skippage. When you connect with a PCI modem does that happen? Yes, even on a 1.3GHz Machine! Absolutely pathetic. There's no way it takes 1.3GHz of power to pop a modem into connection. St0000pid.

Anyway I don't care about the modem it's not that bad or annoying, it works.

-RSI
 


<< Just an fyi ( cuz i have no idea why people have so many live problems) My sblive been in three diff systems all with via chipset. Currently in my asus a7pro sys. >>

You guys aren't having SBLive problems cause you all have AGP video cards and most of you use cable so you don't have to connect with a modem. I'm using all my perihperals on the PCI bus, so it's too much, cause PCI DOES SUCK, admit it, it's not a massive step up from ISA which they should have kept!

-RSI
 


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<< Just an fyi ( cuz i have no idea why people have so many live problems) My sblive been in three diff systems all with via chipset. Currently in my asus a7pro sys. >>

You guys aren't having SBLive problems cause you all have AGP video cards and most of you use cable so you don't have to connect with a modem. I'm using all my perihperals on the PCI bus, so it's too much, cause PCI DOES SUCK, admit it, it's not a massive step up from ISA which they should have kept!

-RSI >>



My previous two systems were original athlon 550 and amd k6-300. What in PCI slots you ask? 10/100, voodoo3 pci, and sblive x-gamer. On the k6-300 had dial up with viking pci 56k...
 


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<< For the love of god, don't get a Raedon. Get a gf2mx 32 meg sdr. That would do nicely 😉 >>



Frankly, the Radeon is a much better card.
Definetely better visual quality, and the speed difference is negligable.
In fact, I wish I still had my 64mb Radeon over my 32mb GF2. I thought it would be an upgrade to get the GF2, I was wrong 🙁 >>



You forgot about DRIVERS. >>



The drivers for the LE are fine. I use beta 2k drivers on XP and they work excellent.
 
PCI has quite a bit more bandwith than ISA. You ever wonder why they stopped making PCI videocards over 5 years ago? Because ISA doesn't have enough bandwith for satisfactory performance!! You know what? How bout we go back to Apple IIe's since they never crash?
 
Ass-monger...

I know PCI has much more bandwidth than ISA. But you shouldn't need lots of bandwidth for a modem and sound card. That's what I'm getting at. It's sad that we need all this and more bandwidth for an SBLive, Banshee and PCI Modem! yuck. Anyway, I'll see if an AGP video card helps me.

-RSI
 
Basically you're saying that PCI sucks because all devices made for it are not made with the same quality as with ISA devices. I disagree. The manufactures/designers have just realized that quality isn't anything.
Also im not quite sure if your talking about winmodems or hardware PCI modems.
you claim to have used hardware PCI modems, yet I don't remember ever noticing skippage when I used one. Granted I didn't use it very often and I have DSL now on all the computers I have connected to the internet.
 
no offense, but how many games did you play using an ISA video card, if you ever had one, that even showed its fps, not many I would guess. I dought you ever had a ISA video card that needed nearly as much bandwith as a banshee.
 
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